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Quote: Australia’s secret ETS starts in five weeks - Alan Kohler Quietly, surprisingly, Australia’s climate change policy has become a bipartisan emissions trading scheme, or ETS … well, almost. The parties might try to manufacture differences for the election campaign, although they haven’t yet, and anyway they don’t really exist.
From July 1, coincidentally the day before the election, the Coalition’s “safeguard mechanism” within its Direct Action Plan will come into force.
One-hundred and fifty companies, representing about 50 per cent of Australia’s total carbon emissions, will be capped by legislation at their highest level of emissions between 2009-10 and 2013-14.
If they emit less than their caps, they will get credits, called Australian Carbon Credit Units (ACCUs), which were created by the Gillard government’s 2011 legislation; if they emit more, they have to buy ACCUs on the market.
The caps specifically include the electricity sector and the ACCUs are “financial products” under both the Corporations Act and the ASIC Act, and can be traded, so an ETS market will be established from July 1.
It is, in short, a classic cap-and-trade ETS, similar in effect to the one legislated by the ALP in 2011, but which unwisely started with a fixed price that could be labelled a carbon tax, and was repealed on July 17, 2014 by the Abbott government, with high-fives and champagne.
What hasn’t been announced or included in the Coalition’s legislation yet is that the caps will start to be reduced from next year, which will make it even more similar in some ways to the Gillard government’s Clean Energy Act 2011.
The legislation that included the Coalition’s ETS was passed by the Senate — with the support of both the ALP and the Greens — on its last day of sitting in 2015, in December.
As it happens, that was the day before the Paris climate conference, called COP 21, got underway, at which an agreement to keep the global temperature increase to 2 degrees was signed by 189 countries, including Australia.
The emissions caps imposed on 150 companies are described by the government as a “safeguard mechanism” to support the Emissions Reduction Fund that is the centrepiece of the Direct Action Plan, in which companies bid at auction for the right to be paid to reduce their emissions. Those auctions have so far resulted in 143 million tonnes of abatement at an average price of $12.10 per tonne, which is much lower than had been forecast by the scheme’s opponents.
The Department of Environment’s website says: “The safeguard mechanism will protect taxpayers’ funds by ensuring that emissions reductions paid for through the crediting and purchasing elements of the Emissions Reduction Fund are not displaced by significant increases in emissions above business-as-usual levels elsewhere in the economy.”
But depending on the gradient of cap reduction that is decided next year, the safeguard itself could end up becoming the central pillar of Australia’s response to the Paris agreement.
That’s because the government almost certainly can’t afford to pay for enough abatement under the auction system to meet its Paris commitments, given the state of the budget.
In fact, the safeguard mechanism becomes a way for the government — Coalition or Labor — to adjust the budget deficit: reducing the “safeguard” caps faster would reduce the amount that the ERF would have to pay out.
The interesting question is why no one is talking about any of this. Obviously the 150 companies involved know about it, and it’s all described in full on the department website, but the fact that Australia has effectively legislated an emissions trading scheme is virtually a secret.
So far, climate change has been absent from the election campaign and will probably remain so — because fundamentally the parties agree now. The only disagreement is likely to be rate of the reduction in the caps, and no one is ready to talk about that yet.
In fact, the idea of a cap-and-trade scheme has been part of the Coalition’s climate policy since well before Greg Hunt went from shadow minister to Minister for the Environment in 2013. He made it a condition of his appointment by Tony Abbott that the science of climate change would be accepted and the emissions reduction target would not change.
Within that, he and Abbott constructed a policy position that could more or less credibly be argued as achieving the abatement targets, while at the same time satisfying three requirements: differentiating their policy from the ALP, not increasing electricity prices and not upsetting the far right of the Coalition.
When Malcolm Turnbull became leader and Prime Minister last year, amazingly, he did not fully understand his party’s climate policy, and in particular the inclusion of a cap and trade ETS, because Hunt had never discussed it in Cabinet. Apparently, he was pleasantly surprised, but decided to maintain radio silence, as part of his broader efforts to keep the conservatives onside.
The whole process has been a remarkable strategy by Hunt: he has effectively steered an emissions trading scheme into Australia’s response to climate change through a ferociously polarised political debate.
It’s arguably a bit like Nixon in China — only a conservative minister could have done it.
The key has been not talking about the ETS part of the policy and to emphasise the lack of a price on all emissions. He hasn’t exactly kept it secret, since it’s in the legislation, but nor has he talked about it publicly and nor has anyone else.
Both the Greens and the ALP passed the legislation in December, even though they probably could have blocked it. Why? It’s because they basically agree with it and want to use the mechanism if elected.
Will it work? That depends on the gradient of the cap reductions when they start. The key is that an ETS has now been legislated in Australia and can be adjusted to fit requirements, either budgetary or political.
Will it result in higher electricity prices? Almost certainly. Shhh.
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At least there is some form of karma in that the rich will lose many beachside properties, from the king tides that they caused by their selfish inaction Quote:The Totten Glacier in East Antarctica has an unstable area that could collapse and contribute to more than two metres of sea level rise beyond what is generally predicted if climate change remains unchecked, researchers say. East Antarctica is the world's largest area of ice and, until recently, was thought to be more stable than the smaller West Antarctic ice sheet. The Totten Glacier, in particular, has rapidly become recognised as the most vulnerable of all the East Antarctic glaciers, with its floating ice shelf already in retreat. "While traditional models haven't suggested this glacier can collapse, more recent models have," said Dr Alan Aitken of the University of Western Australia, co-author of a new study published today in the journal Nature.... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-19/warning-on-tipping-point-for-east-antarctic-glacier/7425362
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2014, then 2015, now 2016 Denial, denial, denial Quote:2016 is likely to be the world’s hottest year: here’s why We’re not even halfway through the year but already you may have heard talk of 2016 being the hottest on record. But how can scientists be so sure we’re going to beat the previous record, set just last year? Even before the end of 2015, the UK Met Office was forecasting with 95% confidence that 2016 would beat the record. Since then, that confidence has grown still further, as record after record has tumbled. April 2016 broke the record for the hottest April after we had experienced the hottest February and March on record already this year. NASA climatologist Gavin Schmidt recently estimated at least a 99% likelihood of 2016 being hotter than 2015..... https://theconversation.com/2016-is-likely-to-be-the-worlds-hottest-year-heres-why-59378
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It's unfortunate that the rich (eg: Australians) will be insulated from the worst effects of the impending changes in our lifetime. At least the coastal holiday houses, that the rich within their rich tend to own, will be destroyed Quote:Scientists Warn of Perilous Shift within Decades, Not Centuries The nations of the world agreed years ago to try to limit global warming to a level they hoped would prove somewhat tolerable. But leading climate scientists warned on Tuesday that permitting a warming of that magnitude would actually be quite dangerous. The likely consequences would include killer storms stronger than any in modern times, the disintegration of large parts of the polar ice sheets and a rise of the sea sufficient to begin drowning the world’s coastal cities before the end of this century, the scientists declared. “We’re in danger of handing young people a situation that’s out of their control,” said James E. Hansen, the retired NASA climate scientist who led the new research. The findings were released Tuesday morning by a European science journal, Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics. A draft version of the paper was released last year, and it provoked a roiling debate among climate scientists. The main conclusions have not changed, and that debate seems likely to be replayed in the coming weeks. The basic claim of the paper is that by burning fossil fuels at a prodigious pace and pouring heat-trapping gases into the atmosphere, humanity is about to provoke an abrupt climate shift... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/23/science/global-warming-sea-level-carbon-dioxide-emissions.html?_r=0 The original paper: http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/16/3761/2016/acp-16-3761-2016.pdf
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Quote:March temperatures sets record as hottest ever, Bureau of Meteorology says You could be forgiven for not noticing the end of summer — March was a hot one. Information released by the Bureau of Meteorology (BoM) indicated it was the hottest March on record, reaching 1.7 degrees Celsius above the long-term average. This eclipsed the 1986 record of 1.67 degrees above the average, BoM said in its monthly climate report. The unusual heat was particularly noticed in the Top End, where the failure of the monsoon allowed temperatures to creep up. This, coupled with a high pressure system off the east coast of Australia, caused a heatwave strong enough to prompt BoM to issue a special climate statement about the phenomenon. March 2 became Australia's hottest day on record. Averaged across the country, it reached a top of 38 degrees Celsius. There was no relief overnight either with minimum overnight temperatures the warmest ever, smashing the 1983 record by 0.83 degrees. The hot March came on the back of the hottest February globally, and the hottest year for 2015.... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-01/march-temperatures-sets-record-as-hottest-ever,-bom-says/7293500?section=environment
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Some positivity and solutions. Rather than negative shit. For many people, their solution is to stick their fingers in their ears & sing "la la la". Or, more pertinently, say "I'll be dead by the time the shit hits the fan, so I don't care" or "thanks to my first world wealth, I'm insulated from the major effects, so I don't care", etc, etc In 2015, we just had a record for the greatest carbon dioxide increase in a 12 month period. http://www.noaa.gov/record-annual-increase-carbon-dioxide-observed-mauna-loa-2015So our emissions are actually increasing; not decreasing, not levelling off. the earth hour bullshit (or as I celebrate the hour of full power ) is on this weekend if I see you fucking log in during that time this thread becomes null and void you hypocritical POS
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TheSelectFew wrote:Some positivity and solutions. Rather than negative shit. For many people, their solution is to stick their fingers in their ears & sing "la la la". Or, more pertinently, say "I'll be dead by the time the shit hits the fan, so I don't care" or "thanks to my first world wealth, I'm insulated from the major effects, so I don't care", etc, etc In 2015, we just had a record for the greatest carbon dioxide increase in a 12 month period. http://www.noaa.gov/record-annual-increase-carbon-dioxide-observed-mauna-loa-2015So our emissions are actually increasing; not decreasing, not levelling off.
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http://www.greencityclark.comSome positivity and solutions. Rather than negative shit.
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Good chance with these massive records that 2016 could be the hottest ever, surpassing 2015, then 2014 Mother Earth would like to thank all you self centred right wingers (again, a tautology) for your vote that never gave a shit http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-14/february-smashed-all-time-global-heart-record/7246356
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Quote:Data released Saturday from NASA confim that February 2016 was not only the warmest month ever measured globally, at 1.35 degrees Celsius above the long-term average—it was more than 0.2 degrees Celsius warmer than the previously most unusually warm month ever measured: January 2016..... .....NASA’s global temperature data is measured from a 1951-1980 baseline, about 0.3 degrees warmer than pre-industrial levels. That means February 2016 was the first month in history that global average temperatures passed the 1.5 degree Celsius mark. Also, since last month’s warmth was concentrated in the Northern Hemisphere (2.76 degrees Celsius warmer than the 1951-1980 baseline) and the Arctic (5.36 degrees Celsius warmer than the 1951-1980 baseline), these regions of our planet were also record warm, likely the warmest they’ve been for at least thousands of years.... http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2016/03/01/february_2016_s_shocking_global_warming_temperature_record.html
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paulbagzFC wrote:Got some peer reviewing for those facts m8?
-PB You can see it for Australia on the ABC Vote Compass for both State & Federal Elections. Filter age by voting intention. Old people have cumulatively done more damage to the environment in their lifetime than younger people, yet despite having more acquired total wealth, their demographic is the least likely to take action on global warming, evidenced by their vote for the science denying party.
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Comment taken from another site: Quote:I know a number of people of my age (60+) who baldly admit that they don’t care what happens down the track as long as the shit doesn’t hit the fan while they are alive. They include people with grandchildren.
I am inclined to feel this reflects a sense of entitlement.
Needless to say, these people are inclined to be Liberal voters rather than Green. Knew it. Old people, on average, really are self centred cunts And its well known aging correlates pretty strongly with conservative voting.
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sokorny wrote:What is up for discussion is whether humans are influencing the global warming? (anthropogenic influences) Maybe amongst the relatively ignorant populous, not amongst relevant peer reviewed climatologists
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I wasn't bothered to trawl through all the 88 pages, I did have a scan of the first few and a few of the last pages. Here are the main points I like to raise about the issue when involved in discussions on it:
Firstly, global warming is FACT. There is no reputing this. The data collection shows a long-term (30-35 years is the minimum in climatic studies) trend of the world's surface air temperature warming.
Secondly, climate change is the environmental (can include anthropogenic too) consequences of global warming. The consequences are NOT FACT, they are based on previous examples, evidence, models and expert knowledge.
What is up for discussion is whether humans are influencing the global warming? (anthropogenic influences)
The scientific theory of anthropogenic global warming is based on best AVAILABLE science. However, to dismiss a scientific theory only ONE piece of evidence is needed to disprove it. At our current level of knowledge, we do not have that evidence to dismiss the theory.
The position you could take, if you don't agree with the theory, is that an UNKNOWN variable is influencing the global warming trend. This unknown variable could be a natural phenomena, which a lot of people take this position.
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Ricey do you really need two shit multi's to come on here and spout your crap?
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I've heard that deniers are whinging that 2015 'doesn't count' because of the El Niño. :lol: Does that mean you have to adjust your "no warming for xxxx years", since 1998 was an El Niño? :lol: It's beyond scientific illiteracy (although relevant). It's ideology. Anthropogenic global warming is a threat to the fundamentally flawed right wing paradigm. It's easier to stick with the flawed paradigm and attack the science, rather than vicky verka.
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So you're pro climate change now :lol: -PB
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Visualisation of Earth's Long-Term Warming Trend, 1880-2015 (NASA.gov Video)
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All the way back in 1912, an Australian mining journal reported on the long term effects of burning coal, leading to global warming. Quote:COAL CONSUMPTION AFFECTING CLIMATE. The furnaces of the world are now burning about 2,000,000,000 tons of coal a year. When this is burned, uniting with oxygen, it adds about 7,000,000,000 tons of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere yearly. This tends to make the air a more effective blanket for the earth and to raise its temperature. The effect may be considerable in a few centuries. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/100645214
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Quote:Global temperatures in 2015 were by far the hottest in modern times, according to new data from American science agencies. Not only was 2015 the warmest worldwide since 1880, it shattered the previous record held in 2014 by the widest margin ever observed, a report by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) said. "During 2015, the average temperature across global land and ocean surfaces was 0.90 Celsius above the 20th century average," the NOAA report said. "This was the highest among all years in the 1880 to 2015 record [and also] the largest margin by which the annual global temperature record has been broken."..... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-21/2015-was-by-far-hottest-in-modern-times-noaa/7103164
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Just date already
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:BETHFC wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:BETHFC wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:BETHFC wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:BETHFC wrote:but the magnitude has always been in question Well that's the latest form of denial. Yes it is denial. And it is denial from the relatively illiterate, who are too insecure to admit their relative illiteracy. I've always found it funny (sad) that those who 'question' (cause it's not questioning) the magnitude never 'question' that it's underestimated. Not surprising really, considering research shows that right wingers (who make up the bulk of the science denial) have been shown in research to be more fearful people. Which right winger have you come across has said "I think the planet is going to warm 5 to 6 degrees by 2100?". Don't worry, rhetorical 'question'. You literally have your head so far up your own ass that you're the easiest person on this forum to troll. You're so caught up with your scientific elitism that you are literally clueless as to me baiting you for 2 pages in this thread. Thanks for the amusement Ricey, go back to doing your PhD or the other alpha scientists might start accusing you of being intellectually illiterate. Just as a side note: not that you actually know what the fuck I do, but I have worked with the CSIRO to extract some cores for climate change research west of Brisbane right? Ouch, maybe keep your elite paraphrasing to a minimum so that you don't look like a complete tool :) These discussions are for the benefit of anyone reading- your choice to troll. Your statements about the 'magnitude' are typical of global warming deniers/right wingers, so it addresses their mentality anyway. Cheers! As mentioned before, scientists have a saying 'opinions are like arseholes - everyone's got one'! It's not a discussion because anyone who even slightly disagrees with you gets called all sorts of names you petulant child. All people get to read is you slagging off right wingers and anyone who isn't a scientist. That saying is not restricted to science. As for 'magnitudes', I am curious what sort of correlations they make, regardless of whether they under or over estimate. In addition to the IPCC reports, there are plenty of government based websites that are freely available to educate anyone who chooses to not be wilfully ignorant about anthropogenic global warming and their confidence intervals/error estimates. You are a piece of shit. I am guessing that now when you use blue font, that's when you're NOT trolling...? Blue font is for sarcasm. Trolling is just winding you up because your responses are so predictable. Seriously, in your above post there was no need to mention the word ignorance. All you had to say was: if you're interested in reading you can look up this..... But no, you have to show how superior you are at every opportunity. Insecure much? :lol:
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BETHFC wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:BETHFC wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:BETHFC wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:BETHFC wrote:but the magnitude has always been in question Well that's the latest form of denial. Yes it is denial. And it is denial from the relatively illiterate, who are too insecure to admit their relative illiteracy. I've always found it funny (sad) that those who 'question' (cause it's not questioning) the magnitude never 'question' that it's underestimated. Not surprising really, considering research shows that right wingers (who make up the bulk of the science denial) have been shown in research to be more fearful people. Which right winger have you come across has said "I think the planet is going to warm 5 to 6 degrees by 2100?". Don't worry, rhetorical 'question'. You literally have your head so far up your own ass that you're the easiest person on this forum to troll. You're so caught up with your scientific elitism that you are literally clueless as to me baiting you for 2 pages in this thread. Thanks for the amusement Ricey, go back to doing your PhD or the other alpha scientists might start accusing you of being intellectually illiterate. Just as a side note: not that you actually know what the fuck I do, but I have worked with the CSIRO to extract some cores for climate change research west of Brisbane right? Ouch, maybe keep your elite paraphrasing to a minimum so that you don't look like a complete tool :) These discussions are for the benefit of anyone reading- your choice to troll. Your statements about the 'magnitude' are typical of global warming deniers/right wingers, so it addresses their mentality anyway. Cheers! As mentioned before, scientists have a saying 'opinions are like arseholes - everyone's got one'! It's not a discussion because anyone who even slightly disagrees with you gets called all sorts of names you petulant child. All people get to read is you slagging off right wingers and anyone who isn't a scientist. That saying is not restricted to science. As for 'magnitudes', I am curious what sort of correlations they make, regardless of whether they under or over estimate. In addition to the IPCC reports, there are plenty of government based websites that are freely available to educate anyone who chooses to not be wilfully ignorant about anthropogenic global warming and their confidence intervals/error estimates. You are a piece of shit. I am guessing that now when you use blue font, that's when you're NOT trolling...?
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:BETHFC wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:BETHFC wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:BETHFC wrote:but the magnitude has always been in question Well that's the latest form of denial. Yes it is denial. And it is denial from the relatively illiterate, who are too insecure to admit their relative illiteracy. I've always found it funny (sad) that those who 'question' (cause it's not questioning) the magnitude never 'question' that it's underestimated. Not surprising really, considering research shows that right wingers (who make up the bulk of the science denial) have been shown in research to be more fearful people. Which right winger have you come across has said "I think the planet is going to warm 5 to 6 degrees by 2100?". Don't worry, rhetorical 'question'. You literally have your head so far up your own ass that you're the easiest person on this forum to troll. You're so caught up with your scientific elitism that you are literally clueless as to me baiting you for 2 pages in this thread. Thanks for the amusement Ricey, go back to doing your PhD or the other alpha scientists might start accusing you of being intellectually illiterate. Just as a side note: not that you actually know what the fuck I do, but I have worked with the CSIRO to extract some cores for climate change research west of Brisbane right? Ouch, maybe keep your elite paraphrasing to a minimum so that you don't look like a complete tool :) These discussions are for the benefit of anyone reading- your choice to troll. Your statements about the 'magnitude' are typical of global warming deniers/right wingers, so it addresses their mentality anyway. Cheers! As mentioned before, scientists have a saying 'opinions are like arseholes - everyone's got one'! It's not a discussion because anyone who even slightly disagrees with you gets called all sorts of names you petulant child. All people get to read is you slagging off right wingers and anyone who isn't a scientist. That saying is not restricted to science. As for 'magnitudes', I am curious what sort of correlations they make, regardless of whether they under or over estimate. In addition to the IPCC reports, there are plenty of government based websites that are freely available to educate anyone who chooses to not be wilfully ignorant about anthropogenic global warming and their confidence intervals/error estimates. You are a piece of shit.
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