And in other breaking news sky is blue and water is wet.

As for Natural Gas being a 'green' alternative to Coal, it's less about greenhouse emissions and more that Natural Gas wells generally disturb land less than coal and oil extraction, allowing land to be reclaimed more easily.

why are you being such a twit?

my point from the start was that oil&gas companies were supporting the climate change alarmism which you disputed.

since i've proven my statement and shown you up, now you dont even now where you stand and are attempting to dance around a range of issues that are completely beside the point

They aren't. Why would they want to push consumers onto alternate energy means (like hydrogen, solar power and nuclear power) and eat into their profits? Don't be absurd.

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Afroman just stop arguing with him. It's not worth it. The amount of crap he is saying shows that he is clearly a troll and/or seriously misinformed.

99% convinced it's Davis Patik/Doug Laddy

afrodope calling in dopey reinforcements.
how sad

:lol: tell that to people who want to stop fracking.

According to those complete morons, fracking causes seismicity, poisons water etc etc. :lol:

Fairly sure that the main reason that Natural Gas power plants are being promoted as a major alternative is that it is far cheaper to build (you can buy them off the shelf) and run than any other type of energy source. It is also far far easier to turn the power up and down on gas power stations so they can turn a far bigger profit by observing the energy prices and being the first to offer or not offer the electricity that they generate.

Tell Santos that, they've spent $1.4bn on Curtis Island LNG :lol:

Fracking is bad for the environment, just like all the issues caused by other forms of mining that result in ground water leaching affects.

-PB

Read an anti-fracking article the other day which claimed that Uranium 235 was found in ground water and I was just thinking "uh...how the fuck?"

Not to be too pedantic but that should read "fracking CAN be bad for the environment". It depends a lot on the sub strata as to what happens after it's fracked.

Not taking a side here just pointing that out.

The most conclusive evidence against fracking is the amount of water required to create a well.

I've drilled so f*cking deep holes in central QLD in the Surat Basin (coincidently they were pilot holes for exploration rigs) and you get perched water tables which are dependent on the density and defects within the rock strata. Out there you get the Surat Basin geology underlain by the older Bowen Basin. You get Jurassic age rocks overlying deep Carbonaceous age rocks. In that you can get perched (divided) water tables depending on the density of the rock.

When drilling with a fracking rig, they case the entire length of the well with a steel pipe. As a result, the only 'contamination' of the groundwater prior to injection is drilling fluids which are bentonite polymers which are usually inert and completely safe (otherwise I would certainly be very sick by now).

I'm very sceptical about this so called groundwater contamination.

When speaking of Natural Gas being greener. I myself see it as a stepping stone away from burning fuel for energy.
Every step taken to reduce the pollution is necessary.

how is it a stepping stone away from burning fuel for energy when its erm burning fuel for energy? :?

Thats why its a stepping stone. It is still burning fuel but potentially (depending on who and how you look at it), better than the coal ect. we burn now.

If what we burn is cleaner while we produce better ways of extracting clean energy than it is a good move.

i'm not against natural gas as an energy source per se, however that logic is a little flawed
i dont think there's any such thing as clean energy that can be used practically

given this thread is about climate change, and if the assumption is that CO2 causes climate change, I dont see how natural gas solves anything here, particularly in instances where it is replacing nuclear energy

the only reason its trendy at the moment is because its suddenly become more profitable than the main alternative thanks to various taxes as well as the power of the oil&gas lobby

This is really fact. This happens because of the doings of people living in this world.

This is clearly a bot.

Mods?

I sense a kitchen thread coming. He's trying to build his post count up before unleashing another bloody kitchen thread.

Weren't some of those chemicals just shown to be made with asbestos compounds lol?

Contamination would be due to breaks in the piping etc, that's what I was referring too.

Ofc the contamination is nowhere near as bad as say, tailings dams.

-PB

Yes in the same way that we're dangerous to ourselves because our bodies contain Phosphorus :lol:

Breaks in the piping would be pretty rare. As a geotechnical engineer I've never seen casing burst. I've seen drill rods shear but that's before any chemicals other than the bentonite polymer drill fluids are in the hole. If anything the casing would leak. The sealer used to prevent leaks is usually applied quickly as the rods go down the hole. However, exploration rigs use wire line drilling so if it happens, someone isn't doing their job properly.

Tailings dams are scary. If one of them fails its a catastrophe.

Palmer's one up here @ Yabulu has gone very close to flowing over several times in the past few months just based off rainfall alone.

Terrible management of that pond imo.

-PB

If it expedites a move towards hydrogen as an energy source then that can only be a good thing.

Hydrogen is expensive to extract IIRC.

its requires vast amounts of energy to produce, therefore its pointless
once again afrodope has no clue what he's on about. he probably read it in some blog about 'cool things'

It is not pointless. Hydrogen is just a method of storing your energy. It is a far more viable way, in the long term, to run our transport than other methods.

Computers were once the size of houses. Thank goodness no one thought to further refine them.

its pointless as an energy source which is what this is all about. only useful as 'a battery'

there really is no end to your mindless irrelevant drivel is there