you've got it so backwards
there's never been any money in non-production

proving the fraud will only shutdown an emerging gravy industry

It's logical. If everything you believe in is driven in self-interest, why would you assume anyone else would think any different?

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=E
Here are all the top 20 contributors to politicians in the last U.S. midterm election cycle from energy companies.
Every single one of these donors has an interest in coal, oil or natural gas

The Alternative energy production donors have nowhere near as much money or influence
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=E1500

The oil and gas industry isnt under threat. it never was, never will be.
Many of these companies are getting a piece of the same gravy train

This is what many of the alarmists at the bottom of the food chain fail to realise.

It isnt the oil/gas companies that will have to pay for this fraud, ...it is you.

The climate scam is currently something like a $40 billion dollar industry and growing. It is being driven by the banks who stand to gain the most from new trading instruments, that you will pay for.

In Australia for example, Westpac is one of the biggest funders of the climate alarmism astroturfing.

You think they're doing it out of the goodness of their hearts? wake up to reality

Never under threat? Carbon taxes, increased and potentially expensive regulations to lower greenhouse emissions and government investment into other more renewable energies wouldn't cut into their profits?

They've also got vested interests in offshore drilling, keystone XL and fracking and have been lobbying the government to give them permission to do so.

I'm sorry but I just don't see too much in it for the banks. The only way renewable energy profits them would be to lower profits from non renewable sources since the overall amount of energy used won't go up. If i were in charge of a bank I'd see more profit in lobbying for lower taxes or decreased regulations, which is exactly what they are doing.

Maybe they're doing it for PR reasons. That was one of the reasons they sponsored Melbourne Heart back in the days because we promised to put that money into the community.

there are huge profits for banks
ETS, financial trading instruments, this is big money

carbon taxes only harm the consumer and the coal industry

coal is the only energy source that is competitive against oil/gas - now considering that ...
if you tax coal 2X and gas 1X, who do you think gains the competitive advantage?

*Lights the blue touch paper*


http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2015/03/scientists-discuss-the-role-of-climate-change-in-the-syrian-civil-war/

*Walks away* :-"

"Syria is over 70 per cent dependent on water originating outside of its borders - primarily through the Euphrates. Governments have missed many opportunities to cooperate over water that might have allowed a more effective response to the drought."

:-"

Turner, G.M. 2012 “On the Cusp of Global Collapse? Updated comparison of The Limits to Growth with historical data” GAIA, Vol.21, No.2, Pp.116 – 124.

Published by senior research scientist Graham Turner at CSIRO Ecosystem Sciences.

He ran a model based on the Limits to Growth simulator using the standard run scenario to corroborate his data set from 1900 and forecasting to 2100 as the standard run scenario represents real-world outcomes better than any other scenarios.

Essentially as resource depletion occurs, it becomes harder to extract and process and therefore capital expenditure on industrial machinery increases. Increase capital into resource extraction takes away from capital expenditure within the industrial sector itself, which has a greater impact on agricultural yields and food production per capita. \

Diversion of capital spending away from health and education & diminishing food production will have a greater impact on civilisation collapse than climate change will, according to this study.

So back to the original question, is climate change fact or fiction? I'm comfortable placing myself on the fact side of the fence.

However a further question should be asked. Is it the main driver for Global Collapse?

Something to ponder. :-k

head of EPA owned

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she tries to come back with all the typical droning talking points but only digs herself a deeper and deeper hole

it beautiful

well well well, if you ever needed any more proof that the 97% consensus is a complete fabrication, then here it is...

http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/05/97-study-falsely-classifies-scientists.html



and here's a peer reviewed paper
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301421514002821

and here's another peer reviewed paper
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11191-013-9647-9


boom!

Warning to anybody who actually clicks on the links that Ricey provided above: You are going to drop several IQ points from simply reading the absolute fucking gibberish that the bloke has written :lol: Not only does this tinfoil-clad moron write up anti-wikipedia articles, but part of his "real science" outlook is to prove how communist, socialist and leftwing certain celebrities are :lol: On Jon Stewart:



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The second article on the front page of this bastion of scientific genius is entitled GoPro Epic Videos and was posted 6 months ago. And if that wasn't enough, the latest post IS ABSOLUTELY NOT, IN ANY WAY revisionist history with the title of Correcting History: Dyson and Einstein.

Anyway, if you've gotten this far and are still actually thinking that this website might be an actual scientific truthbearer (don't worry guys, I wouldn't even insult NotOrganic with that one), just head on over the the forums where the guy that writes the high quality articles for the website has defined his role as "Chief of Staff" and posts topics ranging from Obama plan's to cut back pilot firearm training , Tamerlan Tsarnaev got Mass. welfare benefits and posts insightful comments such as What? All I hear is Bush Lied Saddam did not have any WMDs. BULLSHIT! He flat out did. They said Saddam had gotten rid of all of them. Yeah he dispersed them around the country and mixed them in with other munitions. But it is more than that, it is looking like France and especially Russia assisted in the removal of WMDs before we invaded. Not to mention you have a high ranking Iraqi Air Force General coming out and saying they air lifted them to Syria on the Iraq war.

Ricey, if you take this moron's words over the scientific community, you actually are truly fucked :lol: People post legitimate studies and you have nothing but sub-par tabloid garbage written by libertarians who dig holes to put canned food in them. Wake up mate.


Edited by Draupnir: 30/6/2015 02:15:00 AM

why do you lie draupkick?

:roll:

ouch!!

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/climate_money.pdf
[size=8]The Climate Industry: $79 billion so far – trillions to come[/size]

and here we have an extensive [size=8]rebuttal of the smear campaign[/size] waged by Al Gore associates against the petition of 31,486 scientists who reject global warming alarm.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2010/05/rebuttal-to-video-crock-of-week-32000.html

Scarily clueless.

draupkick you dont give a shit about the environment, the planet or humanity.

you just want to be right because its a pride issue for you. even if you're proven to be patently wrong you'll never admit it.

you're exactly like afrodope in this regard

you'll never admit you've been conned on climate alarmism - and you're not the only one so I'll afford you some sympathy as you're simply not intelligent enough to examine and analyse proper scientific data on this issue

look at the kind of money flowing into climate alarmism to get a clue about scale of this gravy train

bump

you've got no rebuttal but some non sequitur about unrelated linked articles on the blog - which happens to contain a compendium of articles and peer reviewed scientific papers that blow the 97% out the window

Some great quotes straight from your links:





So in other words, your "proof" about how ACC is incorrect was, uh... written by non-environmental scientists. That's in addition to everything else that I already provided you with, you know, the part where the sub heading of the site calls itself impartial only for the author of all this garbage to writeup articles about how communist and socialist Jon fucking Stewart is :lol:

I know you only want to fit in with a community of people Ricey, but this is a joke :lol:

Go to the library, get a high school chemistry and biology book, lock yourself in a room with them for a few days and shut the fuck up. You are embarrassing.

Source.

Good one Ricey :lol:

Climate science is a broad discipline that includes scientists from a variety of backgrounds

you mean you dont understand this? are you really that stupid?

why do you keep bringing up John Stewart? he has nothing to do with this. does that bother you because thats where you get all your science and news from? the comedy channel? seriously?

what kind of scientists do you think produced the models? ie the ones that have always been wrong?

why dont you dispute the peer reviewed papers linked on the blog? why are you attacking the blogger?
could it be a YOU problem?

and what about the quotes from actual scientists who claim their work has been misinterpreted deliberately by John Cook?

why are you so enamored by John Cook? why do you believe him over 31000 scientists? whats so special about some dope from Queensland?

not much of a reader are you


and here is an entire thread devoted to the subject
http://z4.invisionfree.com/Popular_Technology/index.php?showtopic=4019

too bad your 5 minute google skills didnt factor it

Edited by ricecrackers: 30/6/2015 04:17:59 AM

I am actually starting to feel sorry for you. R

I remember watching Al Gore's movie when I was like 16 and saying to my science teacher at the time: why are there no scales on his graphs. The teacher didn't know what to say.

I think climate change ie: we're all going to be floating and the sun is going to kill us is overblown. Using figures that are not matched to the fact that warming of the globe is cyclic is in fact alarmist.

When you drill holes into the earth up to 1,000m deep + you sometimes get evidence of world changing events come up with it ie: sea shells at a depth of 100m deep 300km from the coastline. Coal. While climate change alarm and the race to alternatives is nothing to be afraid of, the paranoia is somewhat overblown.

You cannot respond to a single charge.
You might be able to fool dopes like mcdunce and the rest of the juvenile M80 circle jerk club with your deflections, lies and feeble character assassination attempts, but you wont fool me or anyone else with more than half a functioning brain.

Remember that. the more you lie, the more you're lying to yourself.

Your "charges " are from pseudoscientific websites that have already been debunked by the authors that they misrepresent FFS :lol:

I actually think you might be the bloke responsible for that site, in all seriousness. Not only do both of you use sentence structure in the same ways on forums, but both of you have a penchant of using the amazingly shitty comeback of "why are you lying?" and "why do you lie?" when faced with actual facts.

If that's the case, fuck me dead, you need more help than you can get around here, Andrew :lol:

I am definitely starting to feel sorry for you.

I suppose the problem is racing to an alternative as well. In my industry the more you try to rush the more things go wrong.
Like those magnets in the wind farms you mentioned. I had no idea how dangerous they were to make but in the push for efficiency they are adopted.

cultural marxists and marxists use deception, personal attacks and various marginalisation techniques to push their pseudo-scientific dumbing down agenda. History has shown that the intellectuals in society are the first targeted for assassination when a marxist revolution takes hold of a nation.

we've seen the evidence of this many times over with countries like China, Russia and Cuba all stuck in another era due to a stunting of innovation. Any technology that is developed is either imported or stolen from free market developed nations for a price.

If you want to get a better understanding of Draupkick's tactics, read Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.

Continually molested and you still come back for more. You are ridiculously pathetic. I can't believe you claim to possess a post graduate degree FFS :lol:

Scan it and pm it to me and I'll publicly apologise :lol:

Seriously the funniest guy on the forums :lol: