Thank you Andrew Bolt.

More ice regionally != no global warming
Less ice globally = global warming

Right wing voters think Sarah Palin is intellectual, the earth came into being 6,000 years ago and that Barack Obama is the antichrist. I'm not joking :idea:

It's munrubenmuz actually.

I'm trying to get a rise of our resident communist.

Go back to pages 1 through about 6, I'm all over the global warming deniers.

Then I found it pointless, like arguing with creationists, so I rarely even post here anymore.





Edited by munrubenmuz: 9/11/2015 12:13:59 PM

Large parts of New York, Shanghai, Mumbai and other cities will slip under the waves even if an upcoming climate summit limits global warming to 2 degrees Celsius, scientists say.

A 2C spike in Earth's temperature would submerge land currently occupied by 280 million people, according to a study published by US-based research group Climate Central.

An increase of 4C — humanity's current trajectory — would cover areas lived on by more than 600 million people, the study said.....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-09/megacities-hit-hard-by-surging-sea-levels/6924328

Global temperatures are set to rise more than one degree above pre-industrial levels according to the UK's Met Office.
Figures from January to September this year are already 1.02C above the average between 1850 and 1900.
If temperatures remain as predicted, 2015 will be the first year to breach this key threshold.
The world would then be half way towards 2C, the gateway to dangerous warming.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34763036

Exxon climate revelations are just part of a long history of science misinformation

A recent investigation by Pulitzer Prize winner Inside Climate News has uncovered damning activity by fossil fuel company Exxon. Long before they supplied millions of dollars to conservative think-tanks who misinformed the public about climate science, Exxon’s own scientists informed them of the scientific consensus that fossil fuel burning would cause disruptive climate change.

This echoes past activity of the tobacco industry, who knew from internal research about the health consequences of smoking but nevertheless funded misinformation casting doubt on the link between smoking and cancer. The same misinformation tactics employed by the tobacco industry are used by the fossil fuel industry.

Even the same spokespeople defending tobacco have also attacked the science on climate change. Given the obvious parallels between the activities of the tobacco and fossil fuel industries, the New York Attorney General has issued a subpoena further investigating Exxon’s activities regarding climate change.

https://theconversation.com/exxon-climate-revelations-are-just-part-of-a-long-history-of-science-misinformation-50518

[size=8]Why Bernie Sanders Was Right To Link Climate Change To National Security[/size]
BY JOE ROMM NOV 16, 2015 2:52PM


Bernie Sanders makes a point during a Democratic presidential primary debate, Saturday, Nov. 14, 2015, in Des Moines, Iowa.
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Friday’s terrorist attacks have made the Paris climate talks “even more” important now, according to Christiana Figueres, head of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC).
And on Sunday, Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders elaborated on why climate change remains “the biggest national security threat facing the United States,” after remarks he made in Saturday’s Democratic debate were criticized by people who apparently don’t understand the existential nature the climate threat poses to this country and the world.
Dust-bowlified AmericaWhat kind of security will Americans have if the Paris climate talks fail and we turn much of the U.S., Mexico and Central America into a near-permanent Dust Bowl, as NASA warned in February?
“Sorry, conservatives: when President Obama describes climate change as the greatest threat we face, he’s exactly right,” as Paul Krugman explains in his latest New York Times op-ed. “Terrorism can’t and won’t destroy our civilization, but global warming could and might.”
Both the UN and France have made clear that Friday’s despicable terrorist attacks won’t deter the big Paris climate talks that start in two weeks, as we’ve reported. Security will be much tighter. Ancillary marches and festivities will be pared back. And that means the focus will be on the global negotiations, which offer the world the first serious chance at getting off a path of unrestricted carbon pollution that would indeed destroy modern civilization as we know it.
The civilized world stands in solidarity with the French after this senseless slaughter, much as it did after the Charlie Hebdo shootings earlier this year. Success at COP21 (the 21st Conference of Parties to the UNFCCC) is thus even more important for the world, as Figueres tweeted Sunday:

The nations of the world must work together to address the biggest threat to our security. Yes, terrorism and the Islamic State (ISIS) are grave threats. But if COP21 were to fail, then conflicts like the Syrian civil war will become more common, along with disasters that war helped spawn, including ISIS and the refugee crisis.
“In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism,” Bernie Sanders said during Saturday’s debate. “And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say you’re going to see countries all over the world — this is what the CIA says — they’re going to be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops. And you’re going to see all kinds of international conflict.”
Since the overwhelming majority of pundits and policymakers don’t understand the existential threat climate change poses, Sanders remarks were criticized, much as fellow presidential candidate Martin O’Malley’s were back in July. Yet for over three years, leading security and climate experts — and Syrians themselves — have made the connection between climate change and the Syrian civil war. Indeed, when a major peer-reviewed study came out on in March making this very case, Retired Navy Rear Admiral David Titley said it identifies “a pretty convincing climate fingerprint” for the Syrian drought.
Titley, a meteorologist who led the U.S. Navy’s Task Force on Climate Change when he was at the Pentagon, also said, “you can draw a very credible climate connection to this disaster we call ISIS right now.”
The study, “Climate change in the Fertile Crescent and implications of the recent Syrian drought,” found that global warming made Syria’s 2006 to 2010 drought two to three times more likely.
“While we’re not saying the drought caused the war,” lead author Colin Kelley explained. “We are saying that it certainly contributed to other factors — agricultural collapse and mass migration among them — that caused the uprising.”
Syria Timeline Events leading up to 2011 Syrian uprising, with chart of net migration of displaced Syrians and Iraqi refugees into urban areas (in millions) since 2005. Source: Kelley et al. (2015)
Sanders explained the reasoning behind his comments on CBS’s Face the Nation Sunday.
“When you have drought, when people can’t grow their crops, they’re going to migrate into cities, and when people migrate into cities and they don’t have jobs, there’s going to be a lot more instability, a lot more unemployment and people will be subject to the types of propaganda that al-Qaeda and ISIS are using right now,” Sanders said. “So where you have discontent, where you have instability, that’s where problems arise, and certainly, without a doubt, climate change will lead to that.”
In the case of Syria, it was what one expert called perhaps “the worst long-term drought and most severe set of crop failures since agricultural civilizations began in the Fertile Crescent.” It destroyed the livelihoods of 800,000 people and sent vastly more into poverty. The poor and displaced fled to cities, “where poverty, government mismanagement and other factors created unrest that exploded in spring 2011,” the study’s news release explains.
The study concludes climate change is already drying the region, as climate models had long predicted. In 2011, a major NOAA study concluded that “human-caused climate change [is now] a major factor in more frequent Mediterranean droughts.”
NOAA drought Reds and oranges highlight lands around the Mediterranean that experienced significantly drier winters during 1971-2010 than the comparison period of 1902-2010. Via NOAA [Click to enlarge].
“The magnitude and frequency of the drying that has occurred is too great to be explained by natural variability alone,” explained NOAA’s Martin Hoerling in 2011.
The connection between the conflict in Syria and climate change is not new. In March 2012, Climate Progress published a piece by Francesco Femia and Caitlin Werrell, co-founders and directors of the Center for Climate and Security, which made the case for the link between climate change and events in Syria.
In 2013, Tom Friedman went to Syria to learn firsthand about the connection between the drought and the civil war. His New York Times column, “Without Water, Revolution,” explains what he discovered. Friedman also filmed his visit, where he talked to Syrians about the causes of the civil war. It was for the premiere episode of last year’s Emmy-winning Showtime series, “Years of Living Dangerously.”
Dust-Bowlification and the threat to our food supplies and hence global security are the greatest dangers to humanity this century from human-caused climate change.
That’s because large parts of the most inhabited and arable parts of the planet — including the U.S. breadbasket — face the exact same heating and drying that have already affected the Mediterranean. A 2014 study projected this bleak future:
Future droughtPalmer Drought Severity Index (PDSI) for 2080-2099 with business-as-usual warming. By comparison, during the 1930s Dust Bowl, the PDSI in the Great Plains rarely exceeded -3 (see here). Source: Cook et al. and Climate Progress.
The bottom line: Climate change is the gravest threat to our security, and that’s why the nations of the world must succeed at COP21 and beyond in working together to minimize the danger.

[size=8]Why Bernie Sanders Was Right To Link Climate Change To National Security[/size]

[size=8]A Successful Climate Change Conference Is The Best Response To ISIS Brutality[/size]
Posted: 16/11/2015 07:46 AEST Updated: 16/11/2015 07:59 AEST PARIS ATTACKS

Certain people have perhaps been thinking, after the immense shock of the attacks of November 13, that the only thing that matters from now on, as a response to terrorism, is a security reinforcement, and of course, a reexamination of our priorities-- since ISIS has declared war on us all.

However, people forget that the war that's been declared on us is also psychological. The report released by ISIS to claim the massacre in Paris uses all the tools of conditioning and psychological manipulation: a turning of tables, presenting the Islamic State as a victim instead of an assassin, while promising to continue to spread terror, and criticizing policy makers for creating internal divisions-- a criticism intended to bring about self-doubt.

Our first response should be to understand this psychological tactic, so that we don't allow them to win. No, we do not have to be guilt-tripped into fighting these barbaric groups that slit throats, rape, torture and kill innocent civilians in the most cowardly ways possible. No, our values are strong enough to refuse to sink to their level, and instead, to turn towards reinforcing national unity against their aggression. No, we do not doubt that enlightenment and democratic progress are strong enough to stand up to such behavior, which is sending us back to prehistoric times. No, we are not afraid, and it's because we have no doubt that we will continue to live as we choose, and to defend the policies that we believe to be essential.

Amongst these is the climate change issue, which will determine, in the long term, the survival of mankind, and, in the short term, the demographic balance. Because, contrary to what many people would say --especially those who are excited about averting the dangers that an agreement on climate change may pose for them-- there are definitely several undeniable links between these barbaric and fascist acts by radical Islamists and the climate.

The most important link is called: oil. ISIS lives off all sorts smuggling and trafficking all kinds of goods, but in particular, on aid coming from oil-rich countries, and oil smuggling. This raises questions about both direct and indirect consumers of this contraband oil, and about the reasons why wells supplying ISIS have not yet been neutralized. There are some ambiguities on the part of a number of countries that claim to be fighting ISIS. Consequently, reducing the locations of oil and hydrocarbons, developing energy autonomy of each country through renewable energy, and fighting the omnipotence of oil producers will all help to reduce the power of the ISIS.

But above all, getting in the way of the COP 21 meeting would quadruple the assassins' reasons to attack. First, by demonstrating that they have won a part of the psychological war, by scaring us enough to renounce a major international conference. Second, postponing a major conference to a later date, when its main objective is to reduce the dependence on oil and gas, and therefore indirectly weaken the ISIS economy, would be unwise. Third, by giving them the priceless gift of putting the defence of mankind as a second priority, we forego the value that underpins universal human progress. It is these values that give us our strength, our cohesion and, frankly, our superiority compared to the barbarians, who only seek to spread terror, enslave women and reduce them to commodities (see Boko Haram), and to lead young to believe that killing people will take you to paradise. Finally, the consequences of climate change are forming the conditions of terrorism; mass migration tied to poor weather has destabilized a number of areas around the world, inevitably transforming them into zones of conflict.

It goes without saying that humanity is imperfect, the behavior of countries in the North is sometimes questionable, and that democracy may not have been fully achieved. But that does not mean that humanism and democracy are not the best systems that humanity could have invented to protect and defend us. That's the reason we're not afraid, and why all attempts of manipulation by ISIS will remain in vain. The COP 21 conference will surely take place, and we hope that it will be a great success, as well as a huge slap in the face for the ISIS butchers.

This post first appeared on HuffPost France. It has been translated into English and edited for clarity.

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Fuck you cunce hurry up and stop driving everywhere, don't you know Syrians are dying.

2015 will be the hottest year ever recorded, weather agencies say

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/the-global-temperature-bet-you-have-a-999-per-cent-chance-of-winning-20151118-gl2hru.html

Greenies seem to pick their arguments as selectively as Christians :lol:

This amuses me. People bitch and moan about coal and mining etc and yet we hardly ever hear any criticism levelled at the inefficiency of transport systems in the first world and our over-reliance on personal vehicles.

We could significantly reduce our carbon emissions by doing the following:

- Improving public transport to the point where it is significantly more efficient than driving (not hard in Brisbane);
- Make public transport significantly cheaper to attract people to it. I caught a bus like 2 months ago and it was like $10, what a joke;
- Encourage workplaces to diversify their work hours so every man and his dog isn't on the train at the same time which will help manage demand at peak hours;
- Provide better park and ride facilities. My gripe with PT is I would have to walk like 2km to get on a bus to go the long way to the train station to get to work. A 30 min trip would become a 2 hour trip. They need express shuttles from major collection points with park and ride facilities connecting to rail stations;
- Pay people to car pool, fuck it, start a hashtag for it :lol:;
- Give incentives/discounts to get people to stop driving old shit boxes and buy a 4 cylinder car;
- Make diesel cars cheaper by reducing taxes on them;
- Stop building fucking V8's;
- Stop soccer mums driving prado's and Pajero's

Greenies seem to pick their arguments as selectively as Christians :lol:

True. Way too many friggin' 4WDs on the road. Such a stupid impractical vehicle for the modern world. Goes to show how well advertising works. Every car ad is a 4WD ad and sure enough 4WDs everywhere.

They are sold on the basis that they keep the kids safe.

Yeah but most new cars have a 5 star ANCAP safety rating. In fact I think it might even be a requirement. Although not sure. People are just suckers for advertising and fashion. Like selling ice to Eskimos.

Ironic, considering research shows that Greens voters are more likely to be atheists and hence more evidenced based in their thinking than Christians, who are typically right wing voters.

True. Way too many friggin' 4WDs on the road. Such a stupid impractical vehicle for the modern world. Goes to show how well advertising works. Every car ad is a 4WD ad and sure enough 4WDs everywhere.

Ask most people who own them and they'll tell you they bought it to protect the kids. They're not even really advertised that way but thats the reason owners give to justify their purchase.

"This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,"

Christiana Figueres



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The quote echoes that woman from a couple of months ago on Q&A, who basically said that capitalism is a failed model, yet this is coming from the head of the IMF.