[Edited by justafan: 18/4/2014 05:46:19 PM[/quote]
Sound very similar to mine. I just don't like making solid laws for kids and letting them learn when too and when not too.[/quote]

Yep agree, I have not spelled out the rules to the kids (U10) and said this is how to play i.e. you have to pass the ball if you have a line of pass.

We (the coaches) use them as a guide to gradually implement so we can play possession based and the kids gradually make better decisions as they have the skills to do so. But we let them make the decisions during the game.

For example better body position by using the furthest foot so they can see the field of play allows them to see more options or by saying if you see the back of your player move to either side so the other player with the ball can see you. This is opposed to just move into space which most at this age do not really understand what it means, it gives them a point they can understand to work from. We have moved from focusing on the drills to one of using the rules to help us guide the players during the drills. In fact Gombau drills for kids are basic at this age group.

There are probably lots of ways to teach things but these methods seem to be working and building kids confidence and are simple to implement. You really have to see the training sessions to appreciate what is really being taught.

Edited by justafan: 20/4/2014 07:49:08 AM

I did not get frustrated watch the amount of pathetic turn overs or poor passes in the big blue.:oops:

This is often the doctrine of older coaches.

The FFA NC perception on this, is play with the foot most likely to achieve the desired outcome. It is often applicable, but not always. This of course, is applicable to receiving with the inside of the foot.

If a wide player receives the ball in a wide position, from a diagonal ball, the closer foot can produce a more favourable outcome if the body shape of the player is facing side on to the passer. That is, with the back, adjacent to the boundary line.




Edited by Decentric: 21/4/2014 04:40:14 PM

You would have to concede , surely, that Victory are playing a style of possession football, quite well at times.

It may not be perfect, yet, or as good as the Iberian leagues, but it is a step in the right direction.

Gombau has six rules for all football teams u6 to adults.

4> If you have no line of sight pass keep possession move horizontally, diagonally until you find a line of sight pass.





I've never learnt this through FFA or KNVB. The best I've heard has been keep the ball moving at all times, some years ago from FFA's Norm Boardman, but not as prescriptively as this.

It shows the value of being exposed to different methodologies. I've seen a lot of NTC coaching sessions, also plus the upper echelons of FFA, Berger, Cross, Edwards, Sherman and Boardman, and CCM's Moss as well as Pim take the Socceroos for sessions.

This is something new for me.

In terms of playing forwards, Spencer Prior, former EPL CB and current Tassie FFA TD, says play wide if you cannot play forwards.








Edited by Decentric: 19/4/2014 03:56:43 PM

Andy Harper, Fox pundit and former semi-pro player in the NSL, claims Aussie players are more profligate around goal than Brazil. He claims when you see club sessions there the teams practise shooting more than we do. With due respect, he is a very intelligent man, but to the best of my knowledge, he would have had mediocre coaching in the NSL. I'm pretty sure he hasn't undergone FFA Advanced Coach Education like other TV pundits Craig Foster, Mark Rudan and David Zdrilic.

He could well be right about Brazil though. Individually, players need to train with a a few other players in goal scoring exercises. Practice should make perfect.

I will concede that some youth coaches are too stupid too lazy or just incompetent to insure that players are capable of passing and receiving correctly with the inside of the foot before teaching them other more advanced skills.

IPOD wrote:

Gombau has six rules for all football teams u6 to adults.

5> Players without the ball must be present to receive the ball in a 45 degree angle a minimum of 3 players rotating to receive the ball AT ALL TIMES!



Interesting.:-k

Both KNVB and FFA NC, recommend opening angled passing lanes, but 45 degrees is not prescribed.

However, the question would be posed for players, "What is the most effective angle for me to receive the ball to effectively move or play forwards?"

Of course, 45 degrees is close to the optimum, because a player can scan the field of play effectively at the same time as they receive the ball, and let the ball roll across the body.

Again though, I like the way it is prescribed by Gomabu, as long as players know why it is the most effective angle to receive a ball to play forwards.

The other term KNVB uses is the diagonal ball, which I've usually used. I'm not sure if it is suggested by FFA NC? I've been so heavily inculcated with the diagonal ball phrase from KNVB before doing most of my FFA NC courses.

Edited by Decentric: 21/4/2014 05:24:04 PM[/quote]

IPOD wrote:

Gombau has six rules for all football teams u6 to adults.

6> 1v1 showboating, dribbling is only performed in the opposition half and only when there is no one forward to pass to or move to.



KNVB hasn't stated this.

FFA NC hasn't stated it.


However, as a coach I encourage showboating at training.

Im keen for players to try this in the attacking third. I coach a lot of tricks, 1v1 evasion techniques , but I will probably concede if a player can do the standard cut on both sides of the body, and the shoulder feint on the left and right side of the body, it is enough.

I also coach flashy turns too, that Gombau would call showboating.

I'm sure this isn't done by most coaches within FFA system, but I like to pass them on. Many teenagers say they don't need them, not taking on board that Ronaldo, Messi, Robben, Ribery and Neymar use them.








Edited by Decentric: 21/4/2014 05:37:54 PM

> If the ball is passed from the right moving to the left, don't control the ball with the right foot it will only increase the chance of the opposition press succeeding because you just stopped the ball from travelling quickly away from danger area. That is why he says let the ball roll across your body and move the ball quickly to another area in order to try and create a 2v1 or 3v1 situation further up the field.

Posted By IPOD


Bit bemused by this.:-k

I think I've responded to it before by receiving with the closest foot, the right, on the outside of the foot. I think this can work too, depending on where the defender is.

A few things I didn't mention but Gombau repeats all the time.

1: Always pass the ball at super speed, never a soft pass.

Posted By IPOD




The KNVB also strongly advocates this.

Hilariously, a plethora of experienced coaches and fans across Australia, ridiculed it, and still do, when I raised this on forums.](*,)

If one watches any top football team, if they are not playing in front of a player for him/her to run onto, they will really pass the ball hard and fast to prevent opposition intercepts.

This is reinforced by some of the top NTC coaches I've observed/been mentored by. Also, the KNVB push this too.

The reason being, is that it is easy to split a defence if the ball is intercepted in the defensive half. A slight diagonal angle on a pass is infinitely better.

One thing I haven't read in the Gombau methodology, that is advocated in the good NTC coaches I've seen, a state TD and Ange P, is not to play straight balls. That is a ball passed straight up the pitch, say from one goal to another.

Another way to describe a straight ball, is passing a ball parallel to the boundary line up the pitch from defence to attack. It is to do with the player receiving it, having an awkward body shape to play forwards, unless s/he has no opposition player within close proximity.

If one receives the ball diagonally, it is far easier to play forwards and scan the field of play as one is receiving it. Good players, like Mark Milligan, usually have a quick look over the shoulder if receiving a straight ball from further back in the field, the team trying to build up to the attacking half. There are even some HAL players who don't do this, demonstrating shocking coaching in their formative years prior to 2008.

I've been watching World Cup finals as recent as 1994 and prior in previous epochs. All the teams seem to play straight balls, even top teams in the world.







Edited by Decentric: 23/4/2014 06:19:23 PM

The 1v1 not being advisable in one's own defensive half, was probably the norm even before 2005 in rep programs.



Interesting Gombau encourages children to try 1v1. This is the opposite of what Krones saw in his trip to Spain.

As I say, I've coached flashy Brazilian 1v1 attacking moves under the auspices of FFA in the rep milieu, at the level below state underage teams, but maybe this doesn't come under the definition of what Gombau calls, 'showboating.'

The techniques all assist a player to beat opponents in 1v1s.






Edited by Decentric: 22/4/2014 07:33:42 PM

disagree correct weight is better.

A few things I didn't mention but Gombau repeats all the time.

2: For Short passing to succeed the close proximity of players allows for control of the ball but most importantly the recovery of the ball from a bad pass or interception. If players are far apart when passing and you lose the ball you have less players in a specific area to recover the ball quickly with a super fast press.

Posted By IPOD





This is not something I've heard before.

Edited by Decentric: 23/4/2014 06:10:18 PM

KNVB calls this opening passing lanes.

In the FFA NC, modelled on Barcelona, they advocate a left, right, central long, central short passing lane to be opened to support the player on the ball.

It is pretty hard to achieve on a regular basis.

The faster a ball travels and the better first touch of the player receiving it, the less possibility for an opponent to intercept the pass.

KNVB advocate this, as well as Gombau, with him deriving his philosophy from Barca/Spain.

Edited by Decentric: 23/4/2014 06:23:19 PM

too many passes have too much on them and go by the player who has no chance of caching them. Correct weight as required is better.

Of course a hard hit pass must be accurate too. An inaccurate hard hit pass is a big problem to recover.

the NC is wrong and should instead suggest correct weight depending on the situation.

I haven't seen this in the FFA NC, but Gombau and KNVB suggest it is importat to pass hard if playing a pass directly at a player.

If one passes in front of the player for them to run onto, weighting becomes paramount as you suggest.

and trajectory ie to a winger curve the ball into the path of his run.

Edited by krones3: 23/4/2014 08:23:21 PM

Very embarrassing passing by CCM v Hiroshima nothing to do with the pace poor technic and accuracy.
:oops: :oops:

I didn't think CCM were too bad.

If I compare it to what I see in the the Spanish and Portuguese leagues and the top teams of the EPL it is pretty poor, but these are the best players/teams in the world.

Importantly, most Aussie teams are playing from back to front with diagonal passing lanes being opened. This enables players to have a better chance of having the correct body shape to play forwards. I think it is important to celebrate improvement, rather than what we could do better.

The young Victory players, Makarounas, Pain, Murnane, Geria, Galloway, Ansell, etc, have being able to play through tight spaces in midfield against Asia's best at senior level. Darren Davies is doing a good job as Victory youth coach.

A few things I didn't mention but Gombau repeats all the time.


3> If you are not being pressed you must carry the ball to draw a player towards you before making a forward pass. It's akin to sucking in a pawn before you make the next killer move.

Posted By IPOD[/b][/i]




This makes sense and something I've preached for a while to players. Even the old rep programs prior to 2005 would've had coaches imparting this.

For some reason, 13-14 year old boys seem to struggle with concepts that should be common sense, like this.](*,)

Edited by Decentric: 24/4/2014 06:35:01 PM

He doesn't mention passing with the outside of the foot, which is good for close range passing. One also inadvertently fakes too, when passing with the outside of the foot. This wrong foots the opponent and gives them less time to see which direction the pass is going, so it is difficult to intercept .

What Gombau says above is consistent with KNVB and FFA NC.



What the FFA NC would do is pose questions for players to find the solution for themselves

FFA NC, "Which surface of the foot is best for short range passing? Why?"


Edited by Decentric: 24/4/2014 06:43:46 PM

Makes sense because it is common sense. Particularly to younger players who instinctively do this. Kids that don't do it have been over-coached/ poorly coached at some key stage in their development.

Any further updates or information on Gombau's coach the coaches sessions?

We have adopted his principles this year with great results. Hope he does another one.

Who is we?

And what did you learn from his coach education?