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			    bluebird wrote:Sydney FC had ample opportunity to forge its identity but opted not to have one.
  Let this be a lesson to teams who think xx FC or xx United is all they need to brand a team  Yup, they definitely should've been the Sydney Blue Gropers. Hindsight is always 20/20                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    stefcep wrote:imonfourfourtwo wrote:Yeah 442 is going  down hill. When Cardiff changed colours every football fan in Britain said it was wrong, with the suggestion Hull City should be Hull Tigers there is very little support across the league. Fans realise if the name and colours of their club were to change they would oppose it. Yet here we have a situation in Australia where the owners are trying the change the identity of a club (a young one yes, but still one beloved by their fans) and opposition supporters simply take it as an opportunity to get stuck into Heart and Sydney.   Fuck 'em, mate. We're the only team that stood on our own two feet, never asked for a handout from anyone.  I wouldn't say that, I have no doubt the FFA would have been involved in selling the club's operations off to Man City. The FFA as the ultimate authority over all the A-League clubs have a huge say, and it was in their interests to bring in a big name venture.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Seriously comparing Cardiff for a team who has failed miserably and only existed for 4 years?
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			    I'm confident the red and white will remain, in some fashion at least, probably with the addition of some sky blue. My guess is that sky blue will be more prominent in our away kit.
  I believe we 'll find that City won't rebrand the club totally in their own image, and won't alienate current supporters. Heart's four year history and club culture will be respected. Some people may scoff at this, but I'd suggest wait untill all is revealed. If the new owners don't respect our fans and our history, I'll be one of the first to drop my support for the club. But I'm confident that this isn't a Cardiff/Vincent Tan situation. If I'm wrong, I'll be happy to come here and own up to it.                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    #MelbourneisSkyBlue #SydneyFCisFeelingBlue                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    MichaelB wrote:Not sure if I agree with another Sky Blue in the competition. Red has been identifiable with Melbourne Heart now they want to erase it because it doesn't suit there global branding.   Indeed. Non-SFC fans just trolling SFC again - Barlow makes fair points. Sobowski you have got to be kidding, the traditional top 4 tiers (alone) of the English football league pyramid equals 92 clubs. Never mind the Conference tiers and co below. The A-League is 10. Many of those clubs are more than a century old, immersed in their local communities. We know the A-League's story and it's clubs' attempts to set up roots too, including the likes of 'expansion clubs' Wanderers and 'Heart'! The contrasts, contrasting contexts, are clear for all - It's Apples and Oranges. All the 10 and eventually 12-14 teams need to be distinct, especially in this market-place. The seconds of screen-time on the commercial media etc... they need to be identifiable and relatively unique - for both the local support base and the wider league supporters and even random punters. It's just practically appropriate, let alone other reasons. Edited by GloryPerth: 15/4/2014 09:11:43 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    People can't be serious over the use of red - we can all see how distinctive Adelaide, Heart and Wanderers are. Heart is as much white than red in their colours, especially alternate. Wanderers are more black aswell as red. Adelaide are well-arguably the true 'red' team of the comp, reflected in their colours. Perhaps IF Melbourne City proposed Sky Blue as a 'minority colour', mixed with Red, White, Black, Maroon or whatever - that could work? Though colour scheme wise? ugh! Though the Jets have set the bar low there too, in the past :p The main issue I see is 'distinct difference' - each club has to be as uniquely identifiable as possible, including in their playing strips. Also, again, with just 10 teams it's just not practical and there are still many 'colour combinations' co-ordinations that could be employed too - As Sobowski or somebody could also well find, looking through the hundred or so professional (And even Semi-pro) football clubs in England! moofa wrote:I think it shows disrespect to the A-league and it's short but still important history. I feel like the A-league may stop this for now and they will possibly go inverted for home and away compared to the Man City city but  when promotion and relegation is introduced here they will probably go Sky Blue. Without Man City backing them this would be suicide and really shows they are not trying keep the Melbourne Heart part of the clubs history around.  Some other kits they could go with are the original black with white shorts which would probably just be a copy of Man City's away kit but using white shorts. More interestingly they could go with their 1956 FA cup final kit of Maroon. This would also give them a good slogan to use (From Wikipedia) Quote:As the teams emerged from the tunnel, Manchester City captain Roy Paul seized one last opportunity to stir emotion within the players by stopping, raising his fist and shouting "If we don't fucking win, you'll get some of this"   This again would most likely just be temporary until they can use  more teams in a pyramid system to change to Sky Blue. Also if they get blocked I could still see them using sky blue home kits for ACL home games which they would see as more important than A-league games as mainland Asia is a lot bigger than Australia.  Hmm interesting. Queue Roars fans... ? :p Who can talk in terms of long-term? I hate to sound pessimistic, but who really knows if Man City's ownership will even last to then? Many suggest these owners are in it for the 'long-term' but we've seen others come and go and the league and it's football pyramid expanding and evolving to the levels you suggest won't happen for a very long time, especially at this rate. Heck, it's unlikely to happen at all?! Edited by GloryPerth: 15/4/2014 09:10:44 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    I was messing around on a design a kit website today and came up with this. This way we keep the red and white and incorporate the sky blue.                   
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    GloryPerth wrote:MichaelB wrote:Not sure if I agree with another Sky Blue in the competition. Red has been identifiable with Melbourne Heart now they want to erase it because it doesn't suit there global branding.   Indeed. Non-SFC fans just trolling SFC again - Barlow makes fair points. Sobowski you have got to be kidding, the traditional top 4 tiers (alone) of the English football league pyramid equals 92 clubs. Never mind the Conference tiers and co below. The A-League is 10. Many of those clubs are more than a century old, immersed in their local communities. We know the A-League's story and it's clubs' attempts to set up roots too, including the likes of 'expansion clubs' Wanderers and 'Heart'! The contrasts, contrasting contexts, are clear for all - It's Apples and Oranges. All the 10 and eventually 12-14 teams need to be distinct, especially in this market-place. The seconds of screen-time on the commercial media etc... they need to be identifiable and relatively unique - for both the local support base and the wider league supporters and even random punters. It's just practically appropriate, let alone other reasons. Edited by GloryPerth: 15/4/2014 09:11:43 PM Well said. People are fishing away here but deep down everyone agrees with Barlow!                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    George_Worst wrote:It's Manchester City, one of the world's richest clubs, who have bought out one of a start up leagues poorest performing (off field) clubs.  Money talks and if Cardiff City, a Premier League club with 115 years of history, known as 'The Blue Birds can have their colours changed to Red than Heart sure as hell have theirs changed to blue. 
   Perhaps - that was a travesty though and the club will outlast those owners, no doubt (Especially with the turn-over of English football club ownership these days!) and as soon as that ownership group is gone I would not be surprised to see the club colours and what not, return to 'tradition'. Same with the latest owner of Hull City and his toying with the club's name etc... Unlike the A-League, these are old, well established clubs and many outlast the whims of these fly-by-night owners. In the A-League's case, the power or control is from top-down, rather than bottom-up with the English clubs (Where, with many of those examples - fans have just re-booted their clubs themselves after their original clubs went bust or 'moved' like MK Dons), so as people have discussed it's up to the FFA and the FFA value the importance of the optimum value in their brand with obvious caveats in relation to the progress of football in this competitive marketplace. IIRC That's why the league also rejects the likes of 'Red Bull' and the like! Edited by GloryPerth: 15/4/2014 09:25:46 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    I'm with Barlow on this one. Fuck off Man City, play with the colours of the club you brought. Change the name maybe but the colours at least make sense.                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Langan wrote:I'm with Barlow on this one. Fuck off Man City, play with the colours of the club you brought. Change the name maybe but the colours at least make sense.  Well said sir.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    GloryPerth wrote:MichaelB wrote:Not sure if I agree with another Sky Blue in the competition. Red has been identifiable with Melbourne Heart now they want to erase it because it doesn't suit there global branding.   Indeed. Non-SFC fans just trolling SFC again - Barlow makes fair points. Sobowski you have got to be kidding, the traditional top 4 tiers (alone) of the English football league pyramid equals 92 clubs. Never mind the Conference tiers and co below. The A-League is 10. Many of those clubs are more than a century old, immersed in their local communities. We know the A-League's story and it's clubs' attempts to set up roots too, including the likes of 'expansion clubs' Wanderers and 'Heart'! The contrasts, contrasting contexts, are clear for all - It's Apples and Oranges. All the 10 and eventually 12-14 teams need to be distinct, especially in this market-place. The seconds of screen-time on the commercial media etc... they need to be identifiable and relatively unique - for both the local support base and the wider league supporters and even random punters. It's just practically appropriate, let alone other reasons. Edited by GloryPerth: 15/4/2014 09:11:43 PM x2                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Rico! wrote:shallow hal wants a gal wrote:If they do go to sky blue it should be partial. 
  There kit should be sky blue and red. Could probably make a nice kit out of that.     stevieboyau wrote:I was messing around on a design a kit website today and came up with this. This way we keep the red and white and incorporate the sky blue.    Yeah, those are ideas - I guess dilemma then becomes - it isn't Manchester City though, either... But then, that's the point... right?! They are buying an existing club/brand and setting up in a new league/country and like their New York club. It's not quite Man City mk II, it's a form of off-shoot, subsidiary. If we look at the New York FC model we may see a 'template of intention' in a way? NYCFC's colours include the navy blue of 20% owners the Yankees though, so I guess it's not entirely the same though? :/ Heck, this team enters it's league even sooner (14/15 season - Oct start) than the 'new' NYCFC team does in the MLS (Early 2015) too!                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Does this mean we will never see the Azzuri play here due to SFC's "official protest at clashing colours"?
                  
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    one_toouch wrote:Does this mean we will never see the Azzuri play here due to SFC's "official protest at clashing colours"?
 
   Gawd :lol: :roll:  Did you come up with that one all by yourself?                
			    				
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			    bluebird wrote:Sydney FC had ample opportunity to forge its identity but opted not to have one.
  Let this be a lesson to teams who think xx FC or xx United is all they need to brand a team  Yeah, we should have gone with a tackier name, much like 'Victory'. I like "Sydney Courage FC"                
			    				
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			    sydneyfc1987 wrote:one_toouch wrote:Does this mean we will never see the Azzuri play here due to SFC's "official protest at clashing colours"?
 
   Gawd :lol: :roll:  Did you come up with that one all by yourself?  Aren't you a clever little Sydtard. Yep, the retarded team you support are the ones that seem to think that they invented and own the colour of sky blue, which I'm sure fits in perfectly with your own  little myopic view of the football world :)  I'm guessing that Uruguay should be expecting an angry letter soon?                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    SlyGoat36 wrote:Yeah quite stupid, shows Sydney's insecurity :lol:  Shows Sydneys insecurity-really? The only insecurity that i see is that of some trolls on here that don't have an original opinion or idea to put forward and just make ridiculous comments to see who bites and maybe get 5 minutes in the sun. Why wouldn't Barlow or the chairman of any club object to another team using a similar colours to theirs-would the members of that club be happy with their  board not taking any action? It seems that most Heart supporters are against the idea-and so they should be-it really is mind boggling how antagonistic  some people are on here just for the sake of it. Grow up for Christs sake.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    sydneyfc1987 wrote:bluebird wrote:Sydney FC had ample opportunity to forge its identity but opted not to have one.
  Let this be a lesson to teams who think xx FC or xx United is all they need to brand a team  Yeah, we should have gone with a tackier name, much like 'Victory'. I like "Sydney Courage FC"   Wow . Just wow . Can you get more tackier ? Seriously Sydney FC remind me of Cadbury taking darell lea to court for using purple as the colour of the packaging .                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    T-UNIT wrote:#MelbourneisSkyBlue #SydneyFCisFeelingBlue  :lol: =d> :lol: =d> :lol:                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    one_toouch wrote:sydneyfc1987 wrote:one_toouch wrote:Does this mean we will never see the Azzuri play here due to SFC's "official protest at clashing colours"?
 
   Gawd :lol: :roll:  Did you come up with that one all by yourself?  Aren't you a clever little Sydtard. Yep, the retarded team you support are the ones that seem to think that they invented and own the colour of sky blue, which I'm sure fits in perfectly with your own  little myopic view of the football world :)  I'm guessing that Uruguay should be expecting an angry letter soon?  My myopic view of the football world? You don't even know what colour Italy's jersey is. At least Uruguay are sky blue.                 
			    				
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			    Sky blue for home, red and black stripes for away strip like Man City away circa 2003-2004. How will the Wanderers cope?                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Frat wrote:Sky blue for home, red and black stripes for away strip like Man City away circa 2003-2004. How will the Wanderers cope?  we wont care because we are not insecure  heart fans have every right to complain, sydney fc fans or sydney fc themselves have no right to complain                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Frat wrote:Sky blue for home, red and black stripes for away strip like Man City away circa 2003-2004. How will the Wanderers cope?   #MelbourneIsSydney?                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    I challenge any REAL supporter of their club to say they would be happy with another team using very similar colours. This topic should be a non issue and really highlights what is wrong with these forums. Lonely people that need to get out more, pimply faced teenagers that know sweet fuck all but believe they hold the key to the universe and some genuinely sad people that will grasp at any opportunity to glow in the limelight, even if it is using a  nom-de plume and a picture of ET as an avatar,in a corner of the internet that is frequented by only a handful of people.!                
			    				
			                         
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    sydneyfc1987 wrote:one_toouch wrote:sydneyfc1987 wrote:one_toouch wrote:Does this mean we will never see the Azzuri play here due to SFC's "official protest at clashing colours"?
 
   Gawd :lol: :roll:  Did you come up with that one all by yourself?  Aren't you a clever little Sydtard. Yep, the retarded team you support are the ones that seem to think that they invented and own the colour of sky blue, which I'm sure fits in perfectly with your own  little myopic view of the football world :)  I'm guessing that Uruguay should be expecting an angry letter soon?  My myopic view of the football world?  You don't even know what colour Italy's jersey is.At least Uruguay are sky blue.   Really?? "Italians especially sportsmen are called the Azzurris because the colours of the light blue uniform they wear during sports. This colour is associated to the official colour of the Savoia family who were Italy's Monarch up to 1946." http://www.ask.com/question/why-the-italian-are-called-azzurriDo you really want to continue to argue over the "shade" of light blue?  I know your club is clutching at straws, but do you want to continue being a light blue lemming?                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    Melbourne Heart set to adopt sky blue home strip but will retain red and white colours in some formQuote:MELBOURNE Heart’s foundation colours will remain integral to the club’s identity, although the club looks set to adopt the sky blue home strip next season.
  The red and white will be retained in some form, possibly in an away strip and/or the new logo, under the new owner’s plans which have been submitted to FFA.
  The City Football Group’s vision is to create a consistency in both branding and name across its clubs, although the proposed changes have been met with backlash from Sydney FC.
  But the proposals are likely to the green light from the governing body, which owns the trademarks for the 10 A-League clubs.
  Hence Melbourne City, as they will be called next season, will almost certainly have a strong dose of light blue in its logo.
  Heart’s fan representative group met with club officials on Monday prior to the club’s presentation night at Crown Palladium to discuss its plans.
  Chief executive Scott Munn and City board member Simon Pearce acknowledged that the fan’s message about retaining the colours.
  The key announcements won’t be made until after the A-League grand final on May 4.
  But they are hoping to get proposals ratified by FFA by the end of the month to commence making merchandise for the 2014-15 season.
  Heart issued a statement last night, but remained tight-lipped.
  ”The Club doesn’t comment on media speculation. All decisions about the future of the Club will be based on respect for the traditions and ambitions of our existing fan base, as well as the opportunities provided by our new ownership,’’ the statement said.
  City Group officials met Sydney FC chairman Scott Barlow several weeks ago to outline their plans, and an official complaint to FFA ensued.
  “FFA has received a submission from the new ownership group of Melbourne Heart relating to name, colours and logo for next season,” said an FFA spokesperson.
  “FFA will work through the details and the IP issues with the club. In the near term a decision will be taken.
  “Sydney FC has made a submission on this issue and as a courtesy that will be taken into consideration.”  http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/melbourne-heart-set-to-adopt-sky-blue-home-strip-but-will-retain-red-and-white-colours-in-some-form/story-e6frf4gl-1226885736494?sv=4d1765807065c0b861932c662e148ec5Edited by jlm8695: 15/4/2014 11:46:01 PM                
			    				
			                        
                            
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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			    one_toouch wrote:
  Do you really want to continue to argue over the "shade" of light blue?  I know your club is clutching at straws, but do you want to continue being a light blue lemming?
 
 
  :lol:  I've said before I don't care if another A-League side wears sky-blue or not.                
			    				
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			    jonnyp wrote:I challenge any REAL supporter of their club to say they would be happy with another team using very similar colours. This topic should be a non issue and really highlights what is wrong with these forums. Lonely people that need to get out more, pimply faced teenagers that know sweet fuck all but believe they hold the key to the universe and some genuinely sad people that will grasp at any opportunity to glow in the limelight, even if it is using a  nom-de plume and a picture of ET as an avatar,in a corner of the internet that is frequented by only a handful of people.!  SFC picked a flat design (not hoops, stripes, a sash, saltire, cross, V, chest bands, quarters, chequers, halved or thirded colours) of one of the most basic colours in sport.  If you wanted to not get other teams using your colour/design, you should have picked neon pink with a purple saltire or something like that.                
			    				
			                        
                             
                                    
                 
                           
                      
                            
                  
                           
                 
                         
            
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