lol @ too far the other direction

of course quotas and affirmative action etc are a bad idea however almost every woman on the planet has had to deal with some kind of sexual harassment in everyday life.

thats the reality that men dont appreciate because we dont experience it first hand.

my opinion there is nothing wrong with admiring women's physical attributes...even talking about it among ourselves.. but when it becomes a physical or verbal harassment its going too far as women are in constant fear of physical harm that men will never know

:lol:

ricecrackers taking the alternate stance is probably the biggest confirmation bias an argument could receive.

i pegged you for an idiot a long time ago

As you well know, feminism is many things; a fact which most of these people keep on not getting.

Fml, rickecrackers talking sense. :lol: =d> =d>

I always talk sense
its not always apparent to some however

A broken clock is right twice a day...

=d>

I imagine it's a familiar feeling to what ALP supporters feel when listening to Clive Palmer speeches lately.

How so, and what reference are you using for "most"?

a drone comment
not sure what your issue is. i often agree with your positions... not always but often

Edited by ricecrackers: 30/5/2014 09:57:01 PM

It was in jest. ;)


Edited by 433: 30/5/2014 11:27:22 PM

Of course they do. It's just less prevalent. I've seen plenty of male bar staff groped inappropriately by middle aged women. If it was the other way around all hell would break lose but as a guy you're expected to just deal with it. That's just a small segment of society but to say "men don't experience it first hand" is entirely untrue.

I think in the case of men it's actually worse because there's a social stigma that men always want sex and there's no such thing as unwanted sexual advances from women, so in the event that it does occur it's inevitably dismissed.

It must be hard for you and your inflated sense of self importance posting on a forum populated exclusively by people who disagree with you and who are therefore idiots. If I was you I'd quit the forums.

As I said the other day, the extra exposure has been massive for the movement and the irrational hatred pushed by feminist's in major media outlets has only amplified the positive effect. All MRM communities that I follow are currently littered with posts and comments from new people (about 50/50 men/women) saying "I came here to see the hatred for myself, but after not seeing any hatred and agreeing with the objectives, I think I am now an MRA/TRP/MGTOW/Ally".

Meanwhile, feminism subreddits are actively banning anyone not following the hivemind, driving further traffic to the MRM. It's very gratifying.

Feminists threaten staff of the hotel hosting Men's Rights conference with violence and harassment.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for-men/threats-of-violence-and-death-against-doubletree-hilton-in-detroit-over-mens-conference/

Letter from the hotel is linked in the article.

I wonder what would happen if you petitioned for feminist groups to be listed as terrorists after this :lol:

There's certainly much more justification than for the MRM to be labelled such.

They're both stupid movements as far as I'm concerned. Placing the importance of one gender over the other defeats the purpose of the whole discussion.

agree but that point of view will drowned out by one side more than the other. If you even remotely agree with the MRM you're labelled anti women

Frankly, you are. If you're MRA you flagrantly piss in the face of the problems that women have battled against for the last two centuries. Men have never had to fight for the right to vote, or fight for an education, or fight for the right to determine what happens to their bodies.

While I find the feminist movement to be often populated by annoying, petty, and bigoted women who do more damage to the cause than good, it's hard to pretend that men's "rights" is even on the same plane of contention.

It shouldn't be a case of men's rights or women's rights, it's simple human rights and equal opportunity for both genders.

False.

Edited by notorganic: 31/5/2014 04:45:43 PM

Good rebuttal. =d> =d> =d> Real depth of contention there.

What a load of populist drivel :lol:

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Only in-depth assertions require in-depth rebuttals. To say that being an MRA pisses on women's suffrage both completely ignores fact and comes directly from the scouse_roar playbook of "if I say somethingooutrageously stupid and unfounded over and over it doesn't require any actual evidence".

Even writing "false" was more than your idiocy deserved, really.

You're right, it's completely unfounded of me to point out that men have never had to fight for the right to vote, be educated or determine the fate of their own body.

How idiotic of me to think that men's and women's rights bickering with each other are the correct flagships for gender equality.

Correct, although we're all used to a certain level of idiocy from you so let's all move on.

Interesting thread that I've mostly dipped in and out of but haven't contributed much...

On the topic of men's rights movement...

Men are losing (and in some instances have lost) control of aspects of the society that they have predominantly created. It should be said that while it's true that they created it was predominantly done so with the exclusion of women not because women didn't want to contribute... if women were able to contribute at an earlier juncture a feminist movement might never have had to eventuate.

This said I've not heard of too many women (there are some and they are generally backed by women's advocacy groups) that have complained about not having to go/being able to war to fight for their country and way of life... having said this war is very much a men's way of solving political impasse's...

If women created our society what would we have and what might men have had to fight for - aside from perhaps the right to act with brutality when threatened...?

So you're denying those things ever happened?

I'm denying that there is anything useful to gain in engaging straw men from you.