How does this theory apply to stay at home fathers? How is this not just a jazzercised version of 1950's relationships?
Your basic principles of this theory are just basic respect philosophies. I'm on my phone so cannot truely articulate my multiple problems with this theory but believe me after ready a lot of this diatribe I find it insulting that the human race hae raised men to believe that they have been disempowered by women by being weak willed.
This is relationships for capitalists, tell me, how does one retain an alpha position if they are forced to be a duel income family and the female earns more than the male? How does the ilogical woman still fall in to the subserviant role (because that's what it is) when she's clearly filling the typical male role through education and career advancement?
As for sex, I honestly wonder if any of the people engaging in trp know how to have fulfilling sexual intimacy.

Look forward to Notor brainwashing me into a womanbasher tonight :cool:

-PB

Its a balance.

Its not about being an arsehole or not doing nice things for your girlfriend.

Its about not being a pushover whilst still showing respect for yourself and for your partner. That doesn't mean you can't buy them nice gifts or take them on a nice holiday, or treat them well, or tell them that you love them, or that they look beautiful., or encouraging them to be the best they can be and supporting their career etc.

Its about not being a little bitch whose too insecure to stand up for yourself for fear of losing said partner.

The same goes for men and women alike.

You don't need a girlfriend or life partner you blokes need a dog.

You can treat them like shit, ignore them, belt them up if you want and they'll still come crawling back and never stop loving you no matter what you do to them.

Ask yourself this question. If you had a daughter and she was involved with a bloke who, and I quote;

You don’t have to be a dick if you don’t want to, but being nice and doing shit for your girlfriend? That’s the path to being replaced. Your job is to do shit for you, that as a side-effect, benefits your girlfriend. Your job is to be a man that raises others up. That raises the value of everyone in the room just by being there. To be the man that every woman wants to fuck and every man wants to be

had this attitude, would you be happy for her not to be treated as an equal, not to have her feelings considered, not have her opinion valued, not be in a mutually respectful relationship?

I doubt it.

I want my kids to grow up happy and ambitious but kind and empathetic. The world's got enough selfish, narcissistic aresholes.

Not really. More like focus on improving yourself to raise your own Sexual Market Value, thereby making yourself someone nobody would want to leave.

Right. So the take home message from that long diatribe is don't be nice and "do shit" for your significant other lest she leave you.

Oh and make sure you act in such a way that she's constantly walking on eggshells worried you might leave her at any minute.

Sounds like a wonderful recipe for a deep and meaningful relationship.

There’s a post floating around today from 4chan, containing a story as old as time: A guy gets dumped by his girl because she found someone better. I guess I can elaborate with a little more detail. A guy and his girl move into a new apartment, the girl starts hanging out with some of the people there, doesn’t come home one night, and the next day dumps her boyfriend. She explains that she met someone else, is really attracted to him, and was with him last night. The guy asks, “Did you fuck him?” and she responds, “No, but I’m going to.” She explains, essentially, that she didn’t want to cheat on him, so she waited to break up with him first.

Honestly, that little factoid doesn’t matter. The part where she spends all night with this other guy talking about how they’re going to fuck, making sure she has sure thing lined up before dumping her boyfriend – that’s cheating, too. Just as much as fucking the guy would be. If you ask me, she might as well have fucked him.

Our Red Pill brethren predictably flood this thread with comments about how annoying women are. How can she be so callously disrespectful, people ask. I actually find it interesting how much more direct and honest women are toward men that they don’t respect. Once she doesn’t need you any more, she doesn’t need to lie to you any more. I’d give it decent odds that this girl was telling her guy the truth, and she hadn’t fucked the other man yet. She’s breaking up with him anyway, she clearly doesn’t respect him, and she gains very little by lying to him. It’s not like she seriously expects this guy to remain her friend or admire her for not actually cheating. That’s stuff she’s telling him for his benefit to let him down easy. She doesn’t benefit from that.

But anyway, TRP predictably complains. Women have no honor, no respect, yada yada. But there’s something our fathers told us, or should have, that really applies here. Something society tells us daily, actually: Respect is earned.

Think about what we’re asking of this girl, or of women in general, if we expect loyalty. We’re asking that if a woman meets another man who’s better than you – be it better looking, higher status, more wealth/security, better social acumen, more interesting skills and hobbies and shit to talk about, whatever – that she pass on this better opportunity solely because you came along first. Essentially, we’re asking women to only commit to a relationship with you if she expects to be with you forever. She can never cheat, never dump you for a better offer. Just stick around forever, or until you dump her. Because apparently, it’s a race and you came along first, so anyone who comes along later must be ignored.

That’s not a fair thing to ask of women. It’s not her responsibility to stay with you on principle alone. It’s your responsibility to be the kind of man who doesn’t get dumped or cheated on. It’s your responsibility to earn her respect, every minute of every day. If she passes on a better offer just on principle, she’ll spend the rest of your soon-to-be-very-short-lived relationship resenting you, finding fault in everything about you, suddenly “realizing” how unhappy she is.

Society’s message – “respect is earned” – is a true one. Where society fails us is in the shitty advice we’re given on how to earn respect. You’d think that being a loyal boyfriend, having an established history with a woman, moving in together, doing shit for her, planning on a future together – that all of this would lead to her respecting you, such that when she meets another guy she’s attracted to, she can shrug it off. Sure, the new guy is hot and fun, but she has history with you, right? You’ve done so much for her over the years, right? Tough shit. That’s not how you earn respect.

You do not earn respect by respecting others. You earn respect by respecting you. It’s counter-intuitive. By being a selfish ass who puts himself first and does what he wants, even at the expense of others sometimes, the whole world bends at the knee and chases after you, trying to win your validation. Everyone else is so fucking polite and respectful by default, while you’re busy respecting yourself instead. That rubs everyone funny, not just women. That makes people try harder around you.

Your job is to be powerful. Important. Successful. You don’t have to be a dick if you don’t want to, but being nice and doing shit for your girlfriend? That’s the path to being replaced. Your job is to do shit for you, that as a side-effect, benefits your girlfriend. Your job is to be a man that raises others up. That raises the value of everyone in the room just by being there. To be the man that every woman wants to fuck and every man wants to be.

You don’t avoid getting cheated on and dumped by being a nicer boyfriend. You avoid getting cheated on and dumped by becoming a man that nobody in her right mind would ever risk fucking things up with.

I, for one, don’t want women to be loyal, principled, and honorable. That would just encourage me to get lazy. Reward the stupid and lucky. The right-place, right-time guys who just happened to get there first. I’d rather earn respect.

I genuinely am trying to learn to deal with my own shit and grow up a little.

Also, the extremist negative outcomes do hit pretty close to home for me because of aforementioned experience with guy who wanted nothing more than to use me and abuse me, so I won't really be able to separate my emotions from that.

Are you for real? Fantasising about something is a long way from the reality of it actually happening.

You fucks need to grow up.

30% admitted to fantasising about being raped, along with overpowered.

Fair enough, I retract.

I'm just on my way out now, but have read the other stuff you posted and will address it when I get back later this arvo.

Basically, we're in agreement about a lot of things and not entirely in disagreement in some of the others.

I dislike this notion that there is nothing else to my personality, and that it is not possible for me to actually shift away from this. I just don't think it's necessary to take a dig at me like that.

I did have a little chuckle at KC of all people decrying snowflakery, though. Thanks for that :)

30% admitted to fantasising about being raped, along with overpowered.

I missed this on the first read through.

TRP discussion demonstrates pretty much the opposite of what you have characterised here.

Victimhood relies on others to fix your problems, where TRP is about fixing them yourself.

I did have a little chuckle at KC of all people decrying snowflakery, though. Thanks for that :)

See: feminism.

I don't think anyone really has a clue what rape actually is anymore with the constant post-shifting and feminist double-speak. That was part of the point of the quote.

One thing you need to understand about TRP is that it's not written for your sensibilities, and won't ever be. It is an unadulterated discussion place for men in a world with very few man-friendly spaces left. It seems like you, and Draups, are not taking issue so much with what's being said but in the tone that it's being said in and hence the concern trolling and intellectual dishonesty in attempting to paint it as a destructive & rape apologist haven.

I don't even particularly agree with what RPS said, but as demonstrated, he's not saying what Draups is painting him to be saying and even if he was it wouldn't be cause to disregard everything discussed in TRP.

When you say "nobody fucking needs" are you attempting to marginalise the people (male and female) who have taken concepts discussed within TRP and used them to save marriages, have more fulfilling careers & hobbies, better sex lives, be better partners and more successful humanitarians amongst many other positive outcomes.

What negative outcomes are you concerned by?

They're both appealing to the egos of those who buy into them by saying "oh you poor little special snowflake, you are the victim in this horrible world, here's what you need to do to ~empower~ yourself"

What the actual fuck is this thread??? TRP is on par with tumblr feminism in terms of ridiculousness that nobody fucking needs. They're both appealing to the egos of those who buy into them by saying "oh you poor little special snowflake, you are the victim in this horrible world, here's what you need to do to ~empower~ yourself"

I still don't understand why saying "every woman wants to be attractive enough to be raped" is acceptable in the original context. It's complete and utter bullshit in any context and I don't know why that's so hard for you to admit.



Overpowered and dominated =/= being raped. Any female that actually legitimately wants to be raped has some serious psychological problems going on, or has no clue what rape actually is.

A study of 355 women revealed that up to 55% had fantasised about and would like to be overpowered by a man.

Quote mining? For the third time - It's direct from the writings of the guy who created and admins the home of TRP

If you think I'm being intellectually dishonest while you stare at a direct quote from the guy that invented the shit that you follow and call me out for it instead of realising what a load of pish it actually is, then there;s no hope mate and I don't actually believe you understand what "intellectually dishonest" means.

Again I'll ask you - In which context is it acceptable to say that all women want to be raped? Look how easy I'm making it for you - If you can name a single context where that would be the truth, I will accept it and walk away.

That's how intellectually honest I'm going to be - I'll let you decide the parameters.

You name one single context in which "everyone woman wants to be raped" is in any acceptable context and I will walk away.

A straw man is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of an opponent's argument.[1] To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.

The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.[2][3]

This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue.

I'm not justifying anything, I'm asking where you're quote mining from. It's a simple question.

I know that when you can't argue the actual points it's handy to rely on a handful of strawman arguments and saved out of context quotes.

I started this thread for a dialogue for people like you to ask questions and relieve yourself from your ignorance and help with your intellectual dishonesty, although with this new diversion it's pretty clear that you're wilfully dishonest and not just misguided.

Name any movement or philosophy and I can find you a mined quote that will make you squirm a little bit.

How the fuck is it a straw man :LOL: The direct quote from the guy who invented TRP is right there.

So fucking deluded :lol:

No shit :lol:

I'm also on record saying that I'm not convinced with hypergamy theory which is far more prevalent in TRP circles than the strawmen Draups is presenting.