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Glenn - A-league Mad
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Benjamin wrote:Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:Notor has stated several times that alot of the same principals of trp are used in everyday relationships without ever hearing or reading of it.
While I dont follow it, I basically see that it is just a self help guide.
Fair enough... I'm baffled by the trend of having a group for everything. I'm not sure if society needs groups to show them how to do things right, or if groups form to convince themselves that they are doing right... If you look at this group in particular, the female version is Dolly or Cosmo ect.... Using sex to get what you want. Female empowerment and so on. There is no Male version of this other than online where you can be anonymous You want to examine groups for the sake of groups, how about Bronies? WTF!
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pv4
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Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:Benjamin wrote:Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:Notor has stated several times that alot of the same principals of trp are used in everyday relationships without ever hearing or reading of it.
While I dont follow it, I basically see that it is just a self help guide.
Fair enough... I'm baffled by the trend of having a group for everything. I'm not sure if society needs groups to show them how to do things right, or if groups form to convince themselves that they are doing right... If you look at this group in particular, the female version is Dolly or Cosmo ect.... Using sex to get what you want. Female empowerment and so on. There is no Male version of this other than online where you can be anonymous You want to examine groups for the sake of groups, how about Bronies? WTF! OMFG bring back Dolly Doctor! Used to love the girls at high school reading those stories out to us :lol::lol::lol:
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Slobodan Drauposevic
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Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:Benjamin wrote:Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:Notor has stated several times that alot of the same principals of trp are used in everyday relationships without ever hearing or reading of it.
While I dont follow it, I basically see that it is just a self help guide.
Fair enough... I'm baffled by the trend of having a group for everything. I'm not sure if society needs groups to show them how to do things right, or if groups form to convince themselves that they are doing right... If you look at this group in particular, the female version is Dolly or Cosmo ect.... Using sex to get what you want. Female empowerment and so on. There is no Male version of this other than online where you can be anonymous You want to examine groups for the sake of groups, how about Bronies? WTF! Even if it hypothetically was at the level of say Cosmo or something, it remains to be seen as why you'd willfully engage as a member of such a group. People talk shit about Dolly and Cosmo (multinational, million dollar making magazines) all the time because it's retarded. To put it in perspective, this is a bunch of guys on the internet.
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paulbagzFC
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Benjamin wrote:Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:Notor has stated several times that alot of the same principals of trp are used in everyday relationships without ever hearing or reading of it.
While I dont follow it, I basically see that it is just a self help guide.
Fair enough... I'm baffled by the trend of having a group for everything. I'm not sure if society needs groups to show them how to do things right, or if groups form to convince themselves that they are doing right... And thus this is modern society, where everyone can get offended over anything. -PB
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Benjamin
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pv4 wrote:Benjamin wrote:Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:Notor has stated several times that alot of the same principals of trp are used in everyday relationships without ever hearing or reading of it.
While I dont follow it, I basically see that it is just a self help guide.
Fair enough... I'm baffled by the trend of having a group for everything. I'm not sure if society needs groups to show them how to do things right, or if groups form to convince themselves that they are doing right... I would like to join the group of people who think like Benjamin does. The rule of entry to this group is that if you want to join you are excluded.
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Benjamin
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notorganic wrote:More of a philosophical discussion group that leads to understanding the world a bit differently than I used to more than anything else. There's an aspect of "why is it so?" mixed with "now, how to make it work in your favour"
Everyone has at least one circlejerk they are part of, TRP and 442 are amongst the many of mine. It appears that you used to be in the 'spineless male seeking an easy life camp', and you have now grown one... Or grown up. Did you marry young and have kids relatively soon after?
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Eastern Glory
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I feel like it's taken 11 pages to get to the point... What does it mean in the sack?
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notorganic
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Draupnir wrote:Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:Benjamin wrote:Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:Notor has stated several times that alot of the same principals of trp are used in everyday relationships without ever hearing or reading of it.
While I dont follow it, I basically see that it is just a self help guide.
Fair enough... I'm baffled by the trend of having a group for everything. I'm not sure if society needs groups to show them how to do things right, or if groups form to convince themselves that they are doing right... If you look at this group in particular, the female version is Dolly or Cosmo ect.... Using sex to get what you want. Female empowerment and so on. There is no Male version of this other than online where you can be anonymous You want to examine groups for the sake of groups, how about Bronies? WTF! Even if it hypothetically was at the level of say Cosmo or something, it remains to be seen as why you'd willfully engage as a member of such a group. People talk shit about Dolly and Cosmo (multinational, million dollar making magazines) all the time because it's retarded. To put it in perspective, this is a bunch of guys on the internet. It would be a more valid question to ask why you care so much about a philosophy that you've labelled "retarded" that you would spread false tenants of that group (ie: your repeated accusations of lying and violence towards women), constant antagonistic involvement in a thread originally created with the intention of you asking questions to relieve yourself from your ignorance and stop boring everyone else on the forums by following me around bringing it up out of context at all opportunities, as well as make racist and misogynistic attacks against a woman to try and get a rise out of me to the point where mod warnings have been delivered and posts deleted. So Draups, why do you care so much?
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notorganic
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Benjamin wrote:notorganic wrote:More of a philosophical discussion group that leads to understanding the world a bit differently than I used to more than anything else. There's an aspect of "why is it so?" mixed with "now, how to make it work in your favour"
Everyone has at least one circlejerk they are part of, TRP and 442 are amongst the many of mine. It appears that you used to be in the 'spineless male seeking an easy life camp', and you have now grown one... Or grown up. Did you marry young and have kids relatively soon after? Correct, relatively young compared to our peers, although kids took a lot longer than we were originally hoping.
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notorganic
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Eastern Glory wrote:I feel like it's taken 11 pages to get to the point... What does it mean in the sack? Means we're in it more often.
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Eastern Glory
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notorganic wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:I feel like it's taken 11 pages to get to the point... What does it mean in the sack? Means we're in it more often. Sign me up.
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notorganic
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Eastern Glory wrote:notorganic wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:I feel like it's taken 11 pages to get to the point... What does it mean in the sack? Means we're in it more often. Sign me up. What ended up happening with your girls drunken PDAs? The advice I provided involves a bit of everything. Taking the lead, maintaining frame, a little bit of dread game.
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Eastern Glory
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notorganic wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:notorganic wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:I feel like it's taken 11 pages to get to the point... What does it mean in the sack? Means we're in it more often. Sign me up. What ended up happening with your girls drunken PDAs? The advice I provided involves a bit of everything. Taking the lead, maintaining frame, a little bit of dread game. Not a whole lot, we haven't been out drinking in a big group for a while, but whilst sober, we've come to an understanding that I don't like it. The issue now is that she doesn't think she does it that much :lol: It's really not that big an issue, but I just don't don't enjoy it in the slightest :lol:
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Benjamin
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notorganic wrote:Benjamin wrote:notorganic wrote:More of a philosophical discussion group that leads to understanding the world a bit differently than I used to more than anything else. There's an aspect of "why is it so?" mixed with "now, how to make it work in your favour"
Everyone has at least one circlejerk they are part of, TRP and 442 are amongst the many of mine. It appears that you used to be in the 'spineless male seeking an easy life camp', and you have now grown one... Or grown up. Did you marry young and have kids relatively soon after? Correct, relatively young compared to our peers, although kids took a lot longer than we were originally hoping. Lived with your folks for most of your life prior to marriage? Edited by Benjamin: 27/9/2014 10:49:21 AM
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notorganic
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Benjamin wrote:notorganic wrote:Benjamin wrote:notorganic wrote:More of a philosophical discussion group that leads to understanding the world a bit differently than I used to more than anything else. There's an aspect of "why is it so?" mixed with "now, how to make it work in your favour"
Everyone has at least one circlejerk they are part of, TRP and 442 are amongst the many of mine. It appears that you used to be in the 'spineless male seeking an easy life camp', and you have now grown one... Or grown up. Did you marry young and have kids relatively soon after? Correct, relatively young compared to our peers, although kids took a lot longer than we were originally hoping. Lived with your folks for most of your life prior to marriage? Nah, I was out of home at 17, lived overseas for a year when I was 16 etc.
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Slobodan Drauposevic
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EDIT: If you want to discuss women wanting to be considered good looking enough to be raped, then I'm sure there are other forums more suitable for that conversation...this conversation topic is offensive and is not acceptable on 442, Thanks...
Edited by Joffa: 28/9/2014 01:45:17 PM
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notorganic
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You've been arguing until now?
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notorganic
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Where are you getting your zero context mined quotes from, Draups? They're obviously more than a few months old because they're missing the downvote masking implemented at Reddit recently.
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Slobodan Drauposevic
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notorganic wrote: Where are you getting your zero context mined quotes from, Draups? They're obviously more than a few months old because they're missing the downvote masking implemented at Reddit recently. Why does it matter how old it is? The guy who said it is still the admin of TRP. Are you fucking kidding me :lol: ? Context :lol: ? Is this coming from the bloke that complains about the context argument when it comes to the bible :lol: ? In any case - In what fucked up world do you live where it is acceptable to say "all women wish they looked good enough to be raped" in ANY context? Mate, it's completely fucking sickening that you even tried to justify that. I agree with what went on in the FFA Cup thread was overboard but fuck me. If anyone reading this thread can actually take you seriously after this, well, I can only offer pity. Edited by Draupnir: 28/9/2014 09:48:05 AM
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notorganic
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Draupnir wrote:notorganic wrote: Where are you getting your zero context mined quotes from, Draups? They're obviously more than a few months old because they're missing the downvote masking implemented at Reddit recently. Why does it matter how old it is? The guy who said it is still the admin of TRP. Are you fucking kidding me :lol: ? Context :lol: ? Is this coming from the bloke that complains about the context argument when it comes to the bible :lol: ? In any case - In what fucked up world do you live where it is acceptable to say "all women wish they looked good enough to be raped" in ANY context? Mate, it's completely fucking sickening that you even tried to justify that. I agree with what went on in the FFA Cup thread was overboard but fuck me. If anyone reading this thread can actually take you seriously after this, well, I can only offer pity. I'm not justifying anything, I'm asking where you're quote mining from. It's a simple question. I know that when you can't argue the actual points it's handy to rely on a handful of strawman arguments and saved out of context quotes. I started this thread for a dialogue for people like you to ask questions and relieve yourself from your ignorance and help with your intellectual dishonesty, although with this new diversion it's pretty clear that you're wilfully dishonest and not just misguided. Name any movement or philosophy and I can find you a mined quote that will make you squirm a little bit.
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u4486662
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Oh dear.
Pretty sure Notor doesn't hold those views.
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Benjamin
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u4486662 wrote:Oh dear.
Pretty sure Notor doesn't hold those views. Pretty sure most Catholic's don't believe it's fine to molest young boys, or to cover it up, but that doesn't stop Notor from bringing it up in conversations about religion. If you are discussing any organisation, you have to be prepared to answer for the worst elements at the head of that organisation... Like mods on your forums having outlandish beliefs. Doesn't matter if it's just a bad apple.
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notorganic
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u4486662 wrote:Oh dear.
Pretty sure Notor doesn't hold those views. No shit :lol: I'm also on record saying that I'm not convinced with hypergamy theory which is far more prevalent in TRP circles than the strawmen Draups is presenting.
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notorganic
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Benjamin wrote:u4486662 wrote:Oh dear.
Pretty sure Notor doesn't hold those views. Pretty sure most Catholic's don't believe it's fine to molest young boys, or to cover it up, but that doesn't stop Notor from bringing it up in conversations about religion. If you are discussing any organisation, you have to be prepared to answer for the worst elements at the head of that organisation... Like mods on your forums having outlandish beliefs. Doesn't matter if it's just a bad apple. Not even remotely similar scenarios. Happy to explore further with you if you're up for that headdesking exercise.
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Slobodan Drauposevic
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notorganic wrote:u4486662 wrote:Oh dear.
Pretty sure Notor doesn't hold those views. No shit :lol: I'm also on record saying that I'm not convinced with hypergamy theory which is far more prevalent in TRP circles than the strawmen Draups is presenting. How the fuck is it a straw man :LOL: The direct quote from the guy who invented TRP is right there. So fucking deluded :lol:
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notorganic
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Draupnir wrote:notorganic wrote:u4486662 wrote:Oh dear.
Pretty sure Notor doesn't hold those views. No shit :lol: I'm also on record saying that I'm not convinced with hypergamy theory which is far more prevalent in TRP circles than the strawmen Draups is presenting. How the fuck is it a straw man :LOL: The direct quote from the guy who invented TRP is right there. So fucking deluded :lol: Do you know what a straw man is?
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Slobodan Drauposevic
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notorganic wrote:Draupnir wrote:notorganic wrote: Where are you getting your zero context mined quotes from, Draups? They're obviously more than a few months old because they're missing the downvote masking implemented at Reddit recently. Why does it matter how old it is? The guy who said it is still the admin of TRP. Are you fucking kidding me :lol: ? Context :lol: ? Is this coming from the bloke that complains about the context argument when it comes to the bible :lol: ? In any case - In what fucked up world do you live where it is acceptable to say "all women wish they looked good enough to be raped" in ANY context? Mate, it's completely fucking sickening that you even tried to justify that. I agree with what went on in the FFA Cup thread was overboard but fuck me. If anyone reading this thread can actually take you seriously after this, well, I can only offer pity. I'm not justifying anything, I'm asking where you're quote mining from. It's a simple question. I know that when you can't argue the actual points it's handy to rely on a handful of strawman arguments and saved out of context quotes. I started this thread for a dialogue for people like you to ask questions and relieve yourself from your ignorance and help with your intellectual dishonesty, although with this new diversion it's pretty clear that you're wilfully dishonest and not just misguided. Name any movement or philosophy and I can find you a mined quote that will make you squirm a little bit. Quote mining? For the third time - It's direct from the writings of the guy who created and admins the home of TRP If you think I'm being intellectually dishonest while you stare at a direct quote from the guy that invented the shit that you follow and call me out for it instead of realising what a load of pish it actually is, then there;s no hope mate and I don't actually believe you understand what "intellectually dishonest" means. Again I'll ask you - In which context is it acceptable to say that all women want to be raped? Look how easy I'm making it for you - If you can name a single context where that would be the truth, I will accept it and walk away. That's how intellectually honest I'm going to be - I'll let you decide the parameters. You name one single context in which "everyone woman wants to be raped" is in any acceptable context and I will walk away. Edited by Draupnir: 28/9/2014 11:56:09 AM
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notorganic
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Draupnir wrote:notorganic wrote:Draupnir wrote:notorganic wrote: Where are you getting your zero context mined quotes from, Draups? They're obviously more than a few months old because they're missing the downvote masking implemented at Reddit recently. Why does it matter how old it is? The guy who said it is still the admin of TRP. Are you fucking kidding me :lol: ? Context :lol: ? Is this coming from the bloke that complains about the context argument when it comes to the bible :lol: ? In any case - In what fucked up world do you live where it is acceptable to say "all women wish they looked good enough to be raped" in ANY context? Mate, it's completely fucking sickening that you even tried to justify that. I agree with what went on in the FFA Cup thread was overboard but fuck me. If anyone reading this thread can actually take you seriously after this, well, I can only offer pity. I'm not justifying anything, I'm asking where you're quote mining from. It's a simple question. I know that when you can't argue the actual points it's handy to rely on a handful of strawman arguments and saved out of context quotes. I started this thread for a dialogue for people like you to ask questions and relieve yourself from your ignorance and help with your intellectual dishonesty, although with this new diversion it's pretty clear that you're wilfully dishonest and not just misguided. Name any movement or philosophy and I can find you a mined quote that will make you squirm a little bit. Quote mining? For the third time - It's direct from the writings of the guy who created and admins the home of TRP If you think I'm being intellectually dishonest while you stare at a direct quote from the guy that invented the shit that you follow and call me out for it instead of realising what a load of pish it actually is, then there;s no hope mate and I don't actually believe you understand what "intellectually dishonest" means. Again I'll ask you - In which context is it acceptable to say that all women want to be raped? Look how easy I'm making it for you - If you can name a single context where that would be the truth, I will accept it and walk away. That's how intellectually honest I'm going to be - I'll let you decide the parameters. You name one single context in which "everyone woman wants to be raped" is in any acceptable context and I will walk away. Because you still don't seem to get it, I did an Afropedia and found something for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_manQuote:A straw man is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of an opponent's argument.[1] To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.
The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.[2][3]
This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue. You're yet to answer any of my questions on why you lie, where you're getting your mined quotes from and why you care enough to derail, so I'm not sure why you think I would engage in a debate that you're clearly not interested in arguing honestly (or even arguing at all?).
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notorganic
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What a shocker - when the full context of what was said is shown, it's a rather different story.  Link discussed:  He is referring to ravishment fantasies that come from (very) popular female literature like 50 Shades of Grey and Mills & Boone Novels. There's even a comment underneath saying something like "watch this one get quotemined". Cmon mate, if you have to go back 5 months to find an out of context (by omission of context) quote to paint an entire philosophy as entirely hate filled... do you really have to wonder why you bothered in the first place?
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What the actual fuck is this thread??? TRP is on par with tumblr feminism in terms of ridiculousness that nobody fucking needs. They're both appealing to the egos of those who buy into them by saying "oh you poor little special snowflake, you are the victim in this horrible world, here's what you need to do to ~empower~ yourself" I still don't understand why saying "every woman wants to be attractive enough to be raped" is acceptable in the original context. It's complete and utter bullshit in any context and I don't know why that's so hard for you to admit. 11.mvfc.11 wrote:A study of 355 women revealed that up to 55% had fantasised about and would like to be overpowered by a man. Overpowered and dominated =/= being raped. Any female that actually legitimately wants to be raped has some serious psychological problems going on, or has no clue what rape actually is.
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