You're going to think more about gay men? ha gaaaay ;)

I guess effeminate behaviour is a gay stereotype in the same way Diesel Dykes is a lesbian stereotype.

That's probably true actually, Not a bad point really.
Need to think more about that one.

Isn't gayness more of an effeminate stereotype rather than effeminateness a gay stereotype?

Not at all... I said it's a stereotype because its true of a large number of gay men... Not all, thus a stereotype and not a rule.

"Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason" - "Honeypot" episode of Archer.

Why would he be a chump?

Except that those things are genetic, so it makes sense.

I don't have a clue. Im not implying its a bad thing...but I guess its just more common for gay men to act like that so hence thats why its the stereotype. A bit like someone saying the stereotypical Asian has black hair and are short because most if not all people have those traits.

So why is that image the gay stereotype? Is it because there are a large number of gay men who are like that? Yes... That's exactly why, so why are they like that?

+1. Ive seen this too. People who I thought fit the gay stereotype but turned out to be straight....and weren't putting it on.

Yep, understood. It's hard to deny a concentration of the Mr G voice among gay men though. If it's not put on (to some degree, whether through practice, habit or conscious effort) then why is that the case?

It goes the other way too sometimes, I had a teacher that was a dead ringer for Chris Lilley's Mr G in voice and flamboyancy but the guy had a wife and five kids. I've known a few straight people over the years to have the unfortunate trait of an effeminate voice and appearance, I don't know how it works but to say it's put on seems ridiculous when you see it in straight men too every now and then

What I mean by natural exposure are things that are more focused on the natural environment, like prematurity, exposure to certain infectious diseases, exposure/underexposure to sunlight, access to clean drinking water etc.

Rather than nurture, which is more aligned with aspects such as parenting style, religious beliefs etc.

As to what causes people to be gay, personally I suspect, like most things, it is a combination of genes, natural exposure and nurturing style. I don't think someone has a choice, mostly because no child has a choice in what genes, exposure or nurturing style they receive.

Couldn't have said it better myself. 100% the point I'm making =d>
Same goes for Roar1's example =d>

Yeah its the same for the juiced up straight guy who struts around like hes instantly making every girl wet with his presence.

I think that any camp and in your face homosexual should be regarded the same as any meathead who advertises their heterosexuality. Ok, you're gay I get it, now calm down and act like a civilized human being.

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Of course it's sad that it's still a big issue, but my issue isn't with homosexuality itself, it's with people thinking that certain mannerisms aren't put on to an extent, and that some people think we don't have the right not not like certain things about gay people.

If they are equal, then they are open to criticism just the same as I am.

It is redicoulus that in this day and age being gay is still a big issue and that coming out is even a thing.

I'll agree to disagree there. I think we many things form our personalities and as we mature we change things which alter our personality as a whole. I think there is a huge amount of choice in personality. We choose to lie, we choose to be aggressive, violent, polite, self centred ect. There things all come from choices that reflect in our character.

That's an interesting point, because that second sentence is pretty close to the definition of nurture. If things we are exposed to impact is (which of course they do) then that's the way we are nurtured (obviously to a certain point in time).

There is only a small amount of choice in personality. This is evidenced by the predictability of people in their response to situations.

This forum is a good example. Every poster has a different personality, and those personalities don't change apart from a few posters becoming slowly more mature over several years. Everyone else's responses are predictable even down to the writing style.

On another note something doesn't have to be genetic to be natural. Most things that are natural are not genetic, but occur due to natural exposure to the environment, an exposure that is likely unavoidable for all intents and purposes.

So if gay men naturally are a bit touchy feely, have 'different' voices and use more flamboyant gestures when speaking, what naturally causes that? Are we seriously trying to say that they have a gay gene?!

I think political correctness is so freaking close to making us overlook obvious things purely because it's uncomfortable to admit them! There is always choice involved in personality. Simple as that.

Man this thread keeps on giving, Nice work SocaWho :lol: =d>

Started off about Dan whats his name and has ended up with how to spot a gay :lol:

Thats what I am thinking, Dont know if that is correct, that was just my thought.

And I agree that not all gay guys act the same way. But I am a very observant person so I can normally pick them out, but I have been surprised on a couple of occasions :lol:

People have far less control of their voice and mannerisms than they think.

Can you control the way you walk? The way you run? The way you throw a ball? The way you stand up? The way you sit in a chair? The mannerisms your hands use when you speak?

Mannerisms are both nature and nurture, but are difficult to control. I think gay people "turn it off" temporarily because they have become very good at "acting straight" as this makes their life easier in certain situations.

Just to clarify, I have nothing against gay people, I just think they're way too untouchable in society. I just think they should be treated equally and that includes pointing out somewhat frustrating character flaws that individuals possess.

It's not necessarily the pitch of the voice but the use of inflection.

I know what you're saying... But I have two points for this:
1. I know a few gay guys who switch it on and off depending on company. That's just that I've noticed.
2. There surely isn't a 'gay gene' that decides your voice will be high and that you'll be sexually attracted to men.

EDIT: also, if you pay attention carefully, it's not always how high the voice is opposed to the tone of voice they use.

Edited by eastern glory: 25/8/2014 09:02:38 PM

In terms of 'that voice', at what age did you decide how deep your voice would be?