You can tell who is his target market is by amount of people who are bigging him in here . Look I don't care how he made he's money , more power to the bloke but like afro said he can go about it in different ways .

And there it is, I was waiting for someone to say that.

Its not rich peoples responsibility to feed hungry Africans.

And along the same tangent I also believe that rich people should be taxed less.

Having someone who pays $200k in tax a year using the very same congested streets with some dole bludger doesn't really seem fair.

Rich people already pay to use better Hospitals and schools. So really their tax is going to pay for some bogan to get drunk and high on a Monday while baby sitting baby number 5 and 7 from baby mumma number 4.

:lol: how old are you be? You have a weird way of looking into things .

When you're a little bit older you'll understand why people are taxed the way they are.

Seem the stuff his done he clearly wants attention from the social media outlets and wants to show off his wealth to show everyone he's got it all. Just ignore him IHMO.

Today you can get famous virtually by doing nothing unless you have wealth to show it off. The bad effects of social media in todays world.

It would be quicker if you tell me now :)

When you grow up or gain the most basic understanding of how macroeconomics or tax policy works, you'll understand that what you've just said is complete and utter shit.

Going by that response I think you're being a bit optimistic...

Pretty sure Roar #1 has been watching some ancap youtubers

http://www.ancap.com.au

:-k

anarcho-capitalism

Never heard of it.

Nah think he's just young lol.

-PB

In the past 24 hours Roar #1 has defended Taylor Swift and Dan Bilzerian, and he's dropped a Bieber gif....

:lol:

First and foremost, that attitude is the realm of the selfish asshole. If everyone took that approach nothing would get done. If you've come into copious money through whatever means, it's only right to pay it forward and help someone less fortunate than you lest the shoe be on the other foot and you find yourself in need of charity. Y'know, not everything in the bible is shite - the whole "do unto others" thing actually has some merit.

That aside, if you're in a position where you can make the world around you a better place and you instead frivolously spend money on your own indulgences then you're not cool, you're just a selfish asshole. Don't get me wrong, if anyone on here had access to that kind of money and said that they wouldn't afford themselves similar indulgences at least to some extent then they're a liar. But not once have you heard about Bilzerian being a nice bloke, being charitable or helping out someone in a way that didn't enhance his own personal perception of his 'bad ass' imagery (such as testifying that he was at an illegal poker game that Alex Rodriguez was accused of being involved in, and that A-Rod wasn't there).

Now let's look at the tax thing and why rich people pay more: Simply, this country needs taxes to run, to build and maintain infrastructure and to function on a basic level. A person who is rich takes advantage said infrastructure more than a person of lower economic status to maintain their fortune. Be it their subordinates using roads or public transport, they themselves using internet and telecommunications, the emergency services which they rely on to protect their property, or the indulgences they enjoy like corporate boxes at sporting events or the hospitals patch-working together the plastic face of their third wife (and let's not get started on their use of the legal system). This is the "trickle-up effect" - the opposite of the moronic fantasy "trickle down economics" that idiot Republicans believe in.

At the end of the day it all comes down to what that person with wealth chooses do with it. Philantropy or non philanthropy. I agree taxes are needed. But its not other peoples business to tell them what they should be doing with their money...if it was then I'd give them my account details. :lol:

True. It's his money to do with what he sees fit. You can't argue with that.

But at the end of the day you've got a guy who isn't famous for anything he's achieved (I don't know when dropping out of SEAL training the day before you graduate became something to boast about), isn't famous for generosity, philanthropy or venture capitalism (despite what his business cards and online boasts might tell you). He's famous for nothing more than wishing he was Hugh Heffner on social media. So what it comes down to is that he's famous for being famous, a frivolous narcissist - he's the male version of Kim Kardashian and society is worse off for giving these kind of people the time of day.

EDIT: Pro Tip: SEAL training is 30 months. If you're actively kicked out 908 days into a 910 day training course, you're not receiving an 'honourable discharge'.

Edited by afromanGT: 23/8/2014 01:28:12 PM

Sure they don't make good role models, but they've made an outlet for themselves to make themselves a quid without having to resort to crime. The thing with Kardashian / Blizarain is that they continue to plough through the hate by making more money for themselves.
Kardashian could have been just plain old Kim who goes to church every sunday and works as a checkout chick...but at the end of the day is she happy with her life?
So instead she whores herself on social media and makes a ton of money and lives a lifestyle that she's happy with. Im of the belief that for some people money makes people happy and for some it doesn't, but its better to be rich and unhappy than poor and unhappy.
I think its a tough world out there and if its her way of making a living then so be it. Not everyone one is blessed with the brain of a Warren Buffet / Donald Trump to do business the way they do and people need to do whatever it takes to make ends meet.

Edited by SocaWho: 23/8/2014 01:47:40 PM

Like I said, it's a self-centered attitude. The issue I have with them is that they make no contribution to society and are still idolised. Their self-indulgent narcissism is what society looks up to, and it manifests itself in their day-to-day lives creating a generation of morally repugnant drones attempting to apply their "king shit, got it all" attitudes to their lifestyles and living beyond their means. These people who got rich off their parents and have no idea the value of a dollar set the example and are what people aspire to, except 99.99% of society have to work hard to earn a basic living, let alone attaining greater prosperity.

So if we turn our attention to that for a moment, you wonder why there's financial collapses when you've got people buying $2k pairs of shoes that they didn't even know they needed until Kim Kardashian had them, on the credit card they can't afford to repay. In Bilzerian's case it's probably a jetski or something unfathomably more absurd.

What afro said . We as a society have become vapid . We idolize the morons who do absolutely nothing .

There is nothing to defend, they have done nothing wrong. :lol:

And you can't compare Dan and Kim Kardashian, they are nothing alike. People look at the kardashians the wrong way. They are not famous for being famous, they are famous because they have a very popular tv show, the same way the cast of Freinds or Big Bang theory are famous.

And I love how people call the kardashians fake, what you don't believe that they really drive around in Rolls Royce's, fly in private jets and party with other big celebs?

Please tell me Roar #1 is below voting age :lol:

Its the human race, not everyone thinks alike and the same way you do....I can assure you if you did the people like Blizarain and Kardashian would have crawled back under a rock a long time ago. It's a supply and demand concept. These personalities have an audience. Its like a TV channel , if you don't like the show then switch the channel People choose to embrace or not embrace their sense of lifestyle...its a sense of freedom that allows choice. Sure its not everyones cup of tea but having the choice to do so is liberating. I really don't want to drag religion into this but what about the Catholic faith? They try to preach moral values yet some of those in the hierarchy contradict their own code with what goes on in the child abuse cases....yet they paint a 'holier than thou' of themselves when really actions speak louder than words. Sure a set moral standard is required in society but in my view , as long as they don't break the law and they can make a living out of what they are doing then its ok. They've managed to create a brand for themselves that is embraced by an audience and that gives them potential for a revenue stream.
As for the drones you speak about, its whether they are smart enough to separate fantasy from reality...a bit like someone who watches a movie who either aspires to be someone in that movie or just watches it to relax and wind down after a week of work.
At the end of the day people have their own role models....and its not up to you or me or anyone to make that decision for them who it is regardless of whether they are good or bad. People make their own choices, you can't dictate to people what you think is acceptable and what isn't. You certainly wouldn't like it if I said that everything you said doesn't fit my criteria for what I think is morally acceptable for society. I certainly am not questioning you per se, but Im happy that people are making money, finding a niche to make money (even if its non productive), having freedom to express themselves and having the courage to put themselves in the firing line of would be do gooders. And by do gooders, Im referring to is the Church , Cult or any religious formation that might have their own dirty laundry whilst talking the talk and not walking the walk.

Edited by SocaWho: 23/8/2014 03:08:54 PM

So they're famous because they have a successful tv show. Ok then, ask yourself; why do they have that tv show in the first place? It's certainly not off their own success as you stated that their success came FROM the tv show. Because she's the daughter of OJ Simpson's lawyer and the woman who married Bruce Jenner? Talk about clinging to your parents success.

So she's achieved nothing at this point except being in a sex tape with a b-grade R&B artists and she's given a tv show. From this we can deduce that she is famous for being famous. She's nothing more than the social equivalent of a Remora. No different to the way Dan Bilzerian is surviving off his father's riches and tall stories, being famous for being famous.

The cast of tv shows like Friends or Big Bang Theory at least have to have some rudiments of talent as actors and have worked hard to get to where they are.

Even before they became famous, Kim was very well known in the Hollywood party scene. She was best friends with Paris Hilton at her peak. She was already mixing with celebs .

I'm not sure of the timing of things but I think the tv show probably would have happened anyway regardless of the sex tape. Kim's mother is a marketing genius and a very smart business women, I'm sure she was looking into a tv show anyway to capitalize on Kims growing popularity in Hollywood.

I agree. I think a lot of people don't realise that people like 'Kardashian ' are not doing what they are doing purely for attention seeking reasons....its primarily so they can put food on the table for themselves and live the lifestyle they want to live.
There's a difference between "liking" someone for what they do and "respecting" someone for what they do.
I personally don't like her but she couldn't give a toss about people like you and me, but I give her credit and respect her for being able to create a brand for herself and tapping into a market in which she's able to capitalise on.

Edited by SocaWho: 23/8/2014 03:14:21 PM