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So then your problem is with the institution of the church rather than christian people?


Without "Christian" people there would be no church.


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433 wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
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not bullshit , look up abduction cases . Im not here to argue with you as you seem to be in fuck everybody but me zone


hurr I'll just ignore everything you say and say you don't listen to anyone else

hypocrite

Me a hypocrite look at yourself . Look at Ferguson why did they use a picture of the guy they shot in an unflattering light and say he was involved in an armed robbery which has been disproven ? You know the media do do that but nope it's all about a racist conspiracy to stop the white man .


The fuck you talking about... he robbed a store. There's empirical video proof of this ](*,)

And I didn't say it was a "racist conspiracy", I was just pointing out that there is a narrative in the left-wing media to paint the actions of minorities in a positive light and white people's in a negative light.

That video doesn't show the whole story http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/19/1323057/-Crooks-and-Liars-Brown-appears-to-have-paid-for-those-cigars# There was push and shove, but he appears to have paid for the cigars.

And on your second claim, heres how the media treats black victims compared to white suspects.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/media-black-victims_n_5673291.html
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
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not bullshit , look up abduction cases . Im not here to argue with you as you seem to be in fuck everybody but me zone


hurr I'll just ignore everything you say and say you don't listen to anyone else

hypocrite

Me a hypocrite look at yourself . Look at Ferguson why did they use a picture of the guy they shot in an unflattering light and say he was involved in an armed robbery which has been disproven ? You know the media do do that but nope it's all about a racist conspiracy to stop the white man .


The fuck you talking about... he robbed a store. There's empirical video proof of this ](*,)

And I didn't say it was a "racist conspiracy", I was just pointing out that there is a narrative in the left-wing media to paint the actions of minorities in a positive light and white people's in a negative light.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
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Weren't you religious once 11.mvfc.11 ? What changed my i ask ?


Most people were religious upon birth due to what he stated in an earlier post, that had it rammed down their throats as children. As they grew older, some realise that there are more important things in life than religion.

Edited by Double Edged Sword: 20/9/2014 04:49:54 PM

Is your name 11.mvfc.11? Stop answering his questions for him


I hit a nerve? Sorry bud.
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Double Edged Sword wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Weren't you religious once 11.mvfc.11 ? What changed my i ask ?


Most people were religious upon birth due to what he stated in an earlier post, that had it rammed down their throats as children. As they grew older, some realise that there are more important things in life than religion.

Edited by Double Edged Sword: 20/9/2014 04:49:54 PM

Is your name 11.mvfc.11? Stop answering his questions for him
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433 wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
not bullshit , look up abduction cases . Im not here to argue with you as you seem to be in fuck everybody but me zone


hurr I'll just ignore everything you say and say you don't listen to anyone else

hypocrite

Me a hypocrite look at yourself . Look at Ferguson why did they use a picture of the guy they shot in an unflattering light and say he was involved in an armed robbery which has been disproven ? You know the media do do that but nope it's all about a racist conspiracy to stop the white man .
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
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Weren't you religious once 11.mvfc.11 ? What changed my i ask ?


Most people were religious upon birth due to what he stated in an earlier post, that had it rammed down their throats as children. As they grew older, some realise that there are more important things in life than religion.

Edited by Double Edged Sword: 20/9/2014 04:49:54 PM
I was in the boat of trying to fit in with a girlfriend's family and their beliefs. Needless to say that ended in disaster :lol:


Been there, not worth it.


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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Weren't you religious once 11.mvfc.11 ? What changed my i ask ?


Most people were religious upon birth due to what he stated in an earlier post, that had it rammed down their throats as children. As they grew older, some realise that there are more important things in life than religion.

Edited by Double Edged Sword: 20/9/2014 04:49:54 PM
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Munrubenmuz summed up the impact of religion on our lives pretty well. That among other examples is exactly how religion is holding us back.

You say people have these "reasons" to believe. Basically, their reasons come down to not being strong enough as an individual to find their own answers and meaning in life, and the church is damn quick to capitalise on that.

Religion is the single biggest manipulation upon human kind in history, and needs to end.


Again I addressed those as being problems with the separation of church and state rather than the religious whole.

And your assertions that people are only religious because they cant find their own answers and meaning in life is completely tunnel visioned. Why is your version of answers and meaning in life any better? And why should you force your views onto others? What wrong has a moderately religious person committed?


Hang on a sec. What view is he exactly forcing upon you again? I've read all this posts, and nothing in them to force you away from your religion, except for stating that he doesn't believe in a higher all knowing all power being that can run his day to day life and needs to be prayed to. It's a pretty big jump to say just because he dismisses God or Allah or the tooth fairy, that he his FORCING you to do anything.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
not bullshit , look up abduction cases . Im not here to argue with you as you seem to be in fuck everybody but me zone


hurr I'll just ignore everything you say and say you don't listen to anyone else

hypocrite
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not bullshit , look up abduction cases . Im not here to argue with you as you seem to be in fuck everybody but me zone
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
And why is that ??? the media are known to be selective in reporting . Also take a look about child abductions in the US. a white child goes missing and its front page news, a child of colour goes missing and the media go about there business . The media have to except some of the blame on the way they report .


Bull-fucking-shit mate...

Did you not see the furore about the Zimmerman/Martin case or more recently the Ferguson case? The media always jump on a story about "racism" when a black kid is shot, and even attempt to manufacture racism when it's clearly not involved (see: MSNBC editing of Zimmerman phone call). When a white kid is shot, no one in America bats an eyelid (see: Chris Lane shooting - it deserved faaaaaaaaaaaar more attention than the Zimmerman case, but because he was white and the killers were black no one cared).


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And why is that ??? the media are known to be selective in reporting . Also take a look about child abductions in the US. a white child goes missing and its front page news, a child of colour goes missing and the media go about there business . The media have to except some of the blame on the way they report .
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
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A Potential Terrorist Attack On Australia Was Just Met With A Collective “Meh” Because The Guy Behind It Isn’t Muslim

By Drew Rooke 2/9/14 9 41136

It appears Australia recently came extremely close to suffering its own September 11. About a month ago, media across the country reported that Queensland police discovered fifty kilograms of explosive materials in a Brisbane property – including DMDT, which was used in the 2005 London bombings – along with maps hinting that these explosives were to be used to blow up areas of central Sydney and Newcastle.

The fears of the Australian Federal Police and the Australian government — that the Islamic terrorist threat had crept from the battlefields of Iraq and Syria to our very doorstep — seemed to have come true.

Well, no. It was shocking – given the rants of talkback radio shock jocks, some newspaper columnists and our very own Prime Minister – to learn this planned attack wasn’t actually that of an Australian-Islamic extremist. Behind this plot was a Newcastle local Daniel Fing, a well-known criminal who was jailed in 2006 for four years for firebombing a rival’s car in Belmont, New South Wales.

Australian media curiously referred to the discovery as a “bomb plot” and not a “terrorist plot”; a headline in The Daily Telegraph read: “Sydney bomb plot suspect’s angry history”, while another in the Sydney Morning Herald read: “Police believe maps clue to a Sydney bomb plot”. Indeed, one of the few mentions of terrorism was from Prime Minister Tony Abbott. Speaking to 612 ABC Radio, he said: “There are all sorts of people who do all sorts of weird and, at times, pretty dangerous things. But I haven’t been advised of any potential terrorist threat in respect of this particular issue”.

Clear enough, then: this wasn’t a terrorist plot. But let’s pose a hypothetical – say the man behind the bomb plot was a Muslim named Muhammed Hosseini. Mr Hosseini’s motives weren’t yet known and the only facts of the case were that fifty kilograms of explosive material were discovered in his Lakemba home. The explosives were discovered by the real estate agent carrying out a routine inspection at a time Mr Hosseini was in custody for a completely unrelated driving offence.

Little imagination is needed to know how the Australian media would report this. Possible headlines: ‘SYDNEY TARGETED IN ISLAMIC TERRORIST PLOT’ or ‘ISLAMIC TERRORIST TARGETS SYDNEY,’ in bold capitals. Tony Abbott would be fronting the media detailing how this is evidence of the growing terror threat from Australian Muslims who had become radicalised in Iraq and Syria. Alan Jones, Ray Hadley, Andrew Bolt and Paul Sheehan would be filling their talkback shows and newspaper columns with calls to increase police and security measures to combat the innately violent religion of Islam.

But instead, the case at hand involving Mr Fing is just a bomb plot, worthy only of a third of page six of the Sydney Morning Herald and only a passing comment by our Prime Minister. This is bizarre, especially given the federal government’s recent preoccupation with popularising its new counter-terrorism measures worth $630 million. Wouldn’t a case like this be the trump card to win the debate over why the new measures are needed?

It seems not, which raises the question – why isn’t it? The answer many will give is that because Mr Fing’s motives aren’t known, it can’t be determined whether the plot fits the criteria in Section 100.1 of the Australian Criminal Code which defines a terrorist act. Therefore, for the moment, the plot is more ‘criminal’ than it is ‘terrorist’. Indeed, that is a true and valid point, and it would be wrong to label Mr Fing a terrorist with the details currently available.

But it’s as true and valid as the hypothetical of Mr Hosseini. If it were Mr Hosseini’s house which was now being raided by the Australian Federal Police, the case would be being used as that very trump card. Instead, it’s passed off as a person doing a weird and dangerous thing; we seem all too eager to wrongly label a Muslim as a terrorist but reluctant to do the same to a bomb-plotting Caucasian, middle-aged man.

Such double standards hint at a deeper possibility, which is that entrenched into the Australian psyche – as well the psyche of the Western world – is that terrorism is, and only is, a trait of Islam. The response to Mr Fing’s plot is clear evidence of this. It needn’t be stated here where this perception arises from – many terrorist acts, including the most infamous in history, are committed by those claiming to be “true” Muslims.

However, the response to the case of Mr Fing raises a reason for the persistence of this stereotype. It’s easier for us, the majority, to point the finger at one group and convince ourselves that it’s only members of that group who pose a threat. The chance of containing the threat is then heightened – at least in our paranoid psyches – as the potential terrorists are easily identified and limited in number. We needn’t then worry that anyone may in fact plant a bomb beneath our city tomorrow.

But just because it’s easy doesn’t make it right. This stereotype of “not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims” is not only blatantly wrong — just think of Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski aka the ‘Unabomber’, or the right-wing Hindu extremist, Swami Aseemanand — but is damaging to the majority of peaceful, highly-respectable and law-abiding Muslims, as well as Australia’s democracy, decency and social cohesion.

Are we as a country really serious about combating terrorism? Or are we more concerned with vilifying one religious group for our own interests?



Drew Rooke is a freelance writer from Sydney, Australia, with an interest in national affairs and contemporary culture.


Read more at http://junkee.com/why-was-a-potential-terrorist-attack-on-sydney-and-newcastle-almost-completely-ignored/40723#BTig0wpD0xAwkcYf.99


Food for thought

Im also yet to know why, out of the 2 200 million Christians, 1 600 million Muslims, 1 100 Million Hindus, 448 million buddhists, 14 million Jews (slightly outdated figures) globally all are somehow inherently violent because they follow a religion? And the link between religion and terrorism and your actual evidence that religion = violence? If so wouldnt the majority of religious people be violent? Its simply ridiculous to smear millions and millions of people with one super easy and convenient brush.


Moral of the story, only Muslim's can be terrorists.

sssh . That doesnt suit the agenda here


Literally no one has said that.

While everybody has the potential to be a terrorist, it seems the only terrorists we see are muslims.
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RedKat wrote:
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A Potential Terrorist Attack On Australia Was Just Met With A Collective “Meh” Because The Guy Behind It Isn’t Muslim

By Drew Rooke 2/9/14 9 41136

It appears Australia recently came extremely close to suffering its own September 11. About a month ago, media across the country reported that Queensland police discovered fifty kilograms of explosive materials in a Brisbane property – including DMDT, which was used in the 2005 London bombings – along with maps hinting that these explosives were to be used to blow up areas of central Sydney and Newcastle.

The fears of the Australian Federal Police and the Australian government — that the Islamic terrorist threat had crept from the battlefields of Iraq and Syria to our very doorstep — seemed to have come true.

Well, no. It was shocking – given the rants of talkback radio shock jocks, some newspaper columnists and our very own Prime Minister – to learn this planned attack wasn’t actually that of an Australian-Islamic extremist. Behind this plot was a Newcastle local Daniel Fing, a well-known criminal who was jailed in 2006 for four years for firebombing a rival’s car in Belmont, New South Wales.

Australian media curiously referred to the discovery as a “bomb plot” and not a “terrorist plot”; a headline in The Daily Telegraph read: “Sydney bomb plot suspect’s angry history”, while another in the Sydney Morning Herald read: “Police believe maps clue to a Sydney bomb plot”. Indeed, one of the few mentions of terrorism was from Prime Minister Tony Abbott. Speaking to 612 ABC Radio, he said: “There are all sorts of people who do all sorts of weird and, at times, pretty dangerous things. But I haven’t been advised of any potential terrorist threat in respect of this particular issue”.

Clear enough, then: this wasn’t a terrorist plot. But let’s pose a hypothetical – say the man behind the bomb plot was a Muslim named Muhammed Hosseini. Mr Hosseini’s motives weren’t yet known and the only facts of the case were that fifty kilograms of explosive material were discovered in his Lakemba home. The explosives were discovered by the real estate agent carrying out a routine inspection at a time Mr Hosseini was in custody for a completely unrelated driving offence.

Little imagination is needed to know how the Australian media would report this. Possible headlines: ‘SYDNEY TARGETED IN ISLAMIC TERRORIST PLOT’ or ‘ISLAMIC TERRORIST TARGETS SYDNEY,’ in bold capitals. Tony Abbott would be fronting the media detailing how this is evidence of the growing terror threat from Australian Muslims who had become radicalised in Iraq and Syria. Alan Jones, Ray Hadley, Andrew Bolt and Paul Sheehan would be filling their talkback shows and newspaper columns with calls to increase police and security measures to combat the innately violent religion of Islam.

But instead, the case at hand involving Mr Fing is just a bomb plot, worthy only of a third of page six of the Sydney Morning Herald and only a passing comment by our Prime Minister. This is bizarre, especially given the federal government’s recent preoccupation with popularising its new counter-terrorism measures worth $630 million. Wouldn’t a case like this be the trump card to win the debate over why the new measures are needed?

It seems not, which raises the question – why isn’t it? The answer many will give is that because Mr Fing’s motives aren’t known, it can’t be determined whether the plot fits the criteria in Section 100.1 of the Australian Criminal Code which defines a terrorist act. Therefore, for the moment, the plot is more ‘criminal’ than it is ‘terrorist’. Indeed, that is a true and valid point, and it would be wrong to label Mr Fing a terrorist with the details currently available.

But it’s as true and valid as the hypothetical of Mr Hosseini. If it were Mr Hosseini’s house which was now being raided by the Australian Federal Police, the case would be being used as that very trump card. Instead, it’s passed off as a person doing a weird and dangerous thing; we seem all too eager to wrongly label a Muslim as a terrorist but reluctant to do the same to a bomb-plotting Caucasian, middle-aged man.

Such double standards hint at a deeper possibility, which is that entrenched into the Australian psyche – as well the psyche of the Western world – is that terrorism is, and only is, a trait of Islam. The response to Mr Fing’s plot is clear evidence of this. It needn’t be stated here where this perception arises from – many terrorist acts, including the most infamous in history, are committed by those claiming to be “true” Muslims.

However, the response to the case of Mr Fing raises a reason for the persistence of this stereotype. It’s easier for us, the majority, to point the finger at one group and convince ourselves that it’s only members of that group who pose a threat. The chance of containing the threat is then heightened – at least in our paranoid psyches – as the potential terrorists are easily identified and limited in number. We needn’t then worry that anyone may in fact plant a bomb beneath our city tomorrow.

But just because it’s easy doesn’t make it right. This stereotype of “not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims” is not only blatantly wrong — just think of Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski aka the ‘Unabomber’, or the right-wing Hindu extremist, Swami Aseemanand — but is damaging to the majority of peaceful, highly-respectable and law-abiding Muslims, as well as Australia’s democracy, decency and social cohesion.

Are we as a country really serious about combating terrorism? Or are we more concerned with vilifying one religious group for our own interests?



Drew Rooke is a freelance writer from Sydney, Australia, with an interest in national affairs and contemporary culture.


Read more at http://junkee.com/why-was-a-potential-terrorist-attack-on-sydney-and-newcastle-almost-completely-ignored/40723#BTig0wpD0xAwkcYf.99


Food for thought

Im also yet to know why, out of the 2 200 million Christians, 1 600 million Muslims, 1 100 Million Hindus, 448 million buddhists, 14 million Jews (slightly outdated figures) globally all are somehow inherently violent because they follow a religion? And the link between religion and terrorism and your actual evidence that religion = violence? If so wouldnt the majority of religious people be violent? Its simply ridiculous to smear millions and millions of people with one super easy and convenient brush.


Moral of the story, only Muslim's can be terrorists.

sssh . That doesnt suit the agenda here
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A Potential Terrorist Attack On Australia Was Just Met With A Collective “Meh” Because The Guy Behind It Isn’t Muslim

By Drew Rooke 2/9/14 9 41136

It appears Australia recently came extremely close to suffering its own September 11. About a month ago, media across the country reported that Queensland police discovered fifty kilograms of explosive materials in a Brisbane property – including DMDT, which was used in the 2005 London bombings – along with maps hinting that these explosives were to be used to blow up areas of central Sydney and Newcastle.

The fears of the Australian Federal Police and the Australian government — that the Islamic terrorist threat had crept from the battlefields of Iraq and Syria to our very doorstep — seemed to have come true.

Well, no. It was shocking – given the rants of talkback radio shock jocks, some newspaper columnists and our very own Prime Minister – to learn this planned attack wasn’t actually that of an Australian-Islamic extremist. Behind this plot was a Newcastle local Daniel Fing, a well-known criminal who was jailed in 2006 for four years for firebombing a rival’s car in Belmont, New South Wales.

Australian media curiously referred to the discovery as a “bomb plot” and not a “terrorist plot”; a headline in The Daily Telegraph read: “Sydney bomb plot suspect’s angry history”, while another in the Sydney Morning Herald read: “Police believe maps clue to a Sydney bomb plot”. Indeed, one of the few mentions of terrorism was from Prime Minister Tony Abbott. Speaking to 612 ABC Radio, he said: “There are all sorts of people who do all sorts of weird and, at times, pretty dangerous things. But I haven’t been advised of any potential terrorist threat in respect of this particular issue”.

Clear enough, then: this wasn’t a terrorist plot. But let’s pose a hypothetical – say the man behind the bomb plot was a Muslim named Muhammed Hosseini. Mr Hosseini’s motives weren’t yet known and the only facts of the case were that fifty kilograms of explosive material were discovered in his Lakemba home. The explosives were discovered by the real estate agent carrying out a routine inspection at a time Mr Hosseini was in custody for a completely unrelated driving offence.

Little imagination is needed to know how the Australian media would report this. Possible headlines: ‘SYDNEY TARGETED IN ISLAMIC TERRORIST PLOT’ or ‘ISLAMIC TERRORIST TARGETS SYDNEY,’ in bold capitals. Tony Abbott would be fronting the media detailing how this is evidence of the growing terror threat from Australian Muslims who had become radicalised in Iraq and Syria. Alan Jones, Ray Hadley, Andrew Bolt and Paul Sheehan would be filling their talkback shows and newspaper columns with calls to increase police and security measures to combat the innately violent religion of Islam.

But instead, the case at hand involving Mr Fing is just a bomb plot, worthy only of a third of page six of the Sydney Morning Herald and only a passing comment by our Prime Minister. This is bizarre, especially given the federal government’s recent preoccupation with popularising its new counter-terrorism measures worth $630 million. Wouldn’t a case like this be the trump card to win the debate over why the new measures are needed?

It seems not, which raises the question – why isn’t it? The answer many will give is that because Mr Fing’s motives aren’t known, it can’t be determined whether the plot fits the criteria in Section 100.1 of the Australian Criminal Code which defines a terrorist act. Therefore, for the moment, the plot is more ‘criminal’ than it is ‘terrorist’. Indeed, that is a true and valid point, and it would be wrong to label Mr Fing a terrorist with the details currently available.

But it’s as true and valid as the hypothetical of Mr Hosseini. If it were Mr Hosseini’s house which was now being raided by the Australian Federal Police, the case would be being used as that very trump card. Instead, it’s passed off as a person doing a weird and dangerous thing; we seem all too eager to wrongly label a Muslim as a terrorist but reluctant to do the same to a bomb-plotting Caucasian, middle-aged man.

Such double standards hint at a deeper possibility, which is that entrenched into the Australian psyche – as well the psyche of the Western world – is that terrorism is, and only is, a trait of Islam. The response to Mr Fing’s plot is clear evidence of this. It needn’t be stated here where this perception arises from – many terrorist acts, including the most infamous in history, are committed by those claiming to be “true” Muslims.

However, the response to the case of Mr Fing raises a reason for the persistence of this stereotype. It’s easier for us, the majority, to point the finger at one group and convince ourselves that it’s only members of that group who pose a threat. The chance of containing the threat is then heightened – at least in our paranoid psyches – as the potential terrorists are easily identified and limited in number. We needn’t then worry that anyone may in fact plant a bomb beneath our city tomorrow.

But just because it’s easy doesn’t make it right. This stereotype of “not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims” is not only blatantly wrong — just think of Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski aka the ‘Unabomber’, or the right-wing Hindu extremist, Swami Aseemanand — but is damaging to the majority of peaceful, highly-respectable and law-abiding Muslims, as well as Australia’s democracy, decency and social cohesion.

Are we as a country really serious about combating terrorism? Or are we more concerned with vilifying one religious group for our own interests?



Drew Rooke is a freelance writer from Sydney, Australia, with an interest in national affairs and contemporary culture.


Read more at http://junkee.com/why-was-a-potential-terrorist-attack-on-sydney-and-newcastle-almost-completely-ignored/40723#BTig0wpD0xAwkcYf.99


Food for thought

Im also yet to know why, out of the 2 200 million Christians, 1 600 million Muslims, 1 100 Million Hindus, 448 million buddhists, 14 million Jews (slightly outdated figures) globally all are somehow inherently violent because they follow a religion? And the link between religion and terrorism and your actual evidence that religion = violence? If so wouldnt the majority of religious people be violent? Its simply ridiculous to smear millions and millions of people with one super easy and convenient brush.


Moral of the story, only Muslim's can be terrorists.
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Weren't you religious once 11.mvfc.11 ? What changed my i ask ?
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So I shouldve been enough to find answers to my father's death?? I was a mess emotionally and physically . Just ask my wife how bad I was. The trauma of losing my father was enough for me to get into a depressive state that up until recently I was in .
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Agreed . It seems that the people who hate religion can't seem to fathom that people have various reasons why they chose to believe . Noone is hurting them by believing
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No one is holding back our evolution . If people want to believe then why is it so hard for some people to let them believe ? Does it effect you that much ?? Seriously ?? I still remember the day someone told me my religion was nothing more than Paedophile preachers and my child shouldn't be near me. A bloody week after I lost my father . I choose to believe on god, as that's the only thing that helped me through finding out he got brutally murdered .
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How did a thread on the terror raids become a thread I to dismiss img religion ?? If you don't belive then that's your perogative . But to call every religious person out there nutters is another thing . Some people have reasons why they believe in god and for you to chastise them without knowing why is insulting

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RedKat wrote:
So then your problem is with the institution of the church rather than christian people? What youre arguing for is a better separation of church and state... which is fair enough.

But thats the institution of the church and not everyday Christian people of which many wont have all those views and many arent going to push all of those views on you. Again to smear every single religoous Christian as having those beliefs is compounding an issue to make it easier to dislike.

The other thing though is wanting to ban something simply because they disagree with you on a few issues is hardly democratic, tolerant or fair. I would probably side with you on most of those issues you mention but people do have a right to disagree.

Would also be interesting to see you address the article I posted.

Edited by RedKat: 20/9/2014 01:32:47 PM


Tomatoes Tomatos. Islam, Christianity.

Religion just blows...
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RedKat wrote:
So then your problem is with the institution of the church rather than christian people? What youre arguing for is a better separation of church and state... which is fair enough.

But thats the institution of the church and not everyday Christian people of which many wont have all those views and many arent going to push all of those views on you. Again to smear every single religoous Christian as having those beliefs is compounding an issue to make it easier to dislike.

The other thing though is wanting to ban something simply because they disagree with you on a few issues is hardly democratic, tolerant or fair. I would probably side with you on most of those issues you mention but people do have a right to disagree.

Would also be interesting to see you address the article I posted.

Edited by RedKat: 20/9/2014 01:32:47 PM


I'll read it later. I'm changing lights in the house at the moment and about to turn the power off. If God is on my side (probably not) maybe I won't get electrocuted.


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If the majority of religious people find meaning in religion and practise in a way that personally benefits them without falling to extremism, as the vast majority do, what 'crime' are they committing? What is so wrong with someone being religious and why must you impose your 'truth' on someone else? Why should the vast majority of normal religious people lose their rights to freedom of religion over a few extremists?



Believe in fucking fairies at the bottom of the garden if you fucking want. I'll tell you what shits me about religion and particularly Christianity. You say it doesn't affect me, it doesn't affect you, so what does it matter?

Well you couldn't be more wrong. Their influence (the crime as you put it) is everywhere.

To list just a few ways Christianity sticks it's big fucking nose in my, yours and everyone else's business.

1/ Opposes stem cell research. (Specifically the use of embryos but other parts as well.)
2/ Is against gay marriage.
3/ Is against assisted suicide, euthanasia, and the right to die with dignity.
4 / Demands religious education be taught in schools and runs interference against ethics classes in NSW.
5/ Has the Lords Prayer read in Parliament at the beginning at every single sitting day despite the constitution specifically separating church and state.
6/ Opposes (specifically the Catholic church) the use of contraception resulting in MILLIONS of poor bastards becoming infected with AIDS in Africa.
7/ Psychologically scarred generations of women who were brought up to believe that sex was "dirty" and not to be enjoyed.

You could go on for hours. Believe whatever you want to believe but get the fuck out of my life. If I want to take my own life rather than have a prolonged, protracted, agonising death then what's that got to do with the church. Fuck off.

And yet who's the first cab of the rank when that sort of thing is brought up? That's right the friggin' church.

Don't tell me they don't have sway over my life. They're crawling all over it.


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Mohammed had many slaves and wives (basically another form of slavery at the time), fucked a nine year old and was a brutal mass murderer. How do people worship this cunt?

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zimbos_05 wrote:
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Munrubenmuz wrote:
If the mad middle Eastern types had no fucking oil the whole area would be a backward, stone hut living, eking out an existence, desert dwelling bunch of medieval animals. A skidmark on the underpants of civilisation.

Well, I would think that the area would probably be getting along just fine like every other country in the world that is not subject to western occupation.


Like Zimbabwe perhaps? Or the rest of Africa for that matter.


Zimbabwe is not going through civil war. I don't see your point on that.

Every other region of Africa that is plagued by war (which is very minimal) has western intervention. You will find that Diamonds, and Oil once again are the big factors.


:lol: Honestly we (the west, yes we are westerners) should throw our hands up and take responsibility for everything. We get blamed for it anyway.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
They were still Christian you fuck stain. Hell the calabrese are catholics but they don't represent catholics every where . Hell the n'dragheta , mafia, Russian mob, irish mob, at Al are all catholics and Christian . You're not an historian your just a plain old bigot

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 20/9/2014 05:27:28 AM

No, he's absolutely right.

Says the white trust fund baby . Fuck your thick you have no idea but of course being white and Christian you don't have to put up with anything

Is this going along the lines of 'you don't know how white you are till someone tells you you're white'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteness_studies
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Eastern Glory wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
They were still Christian you fuck stain. Hell the calabrese are catholics but they don't represent catholics every where . Hell the n'dragheta , mafia, Russian mob, irish mob, at Al are all catholics and Christian . You're not an historian your just a plain old bigot

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 20/9/2014 05:27:28 AM

No, he's absolutely right.

Says the white trust fund baby . Fuck your thick you have no idea but of course being white and Christian you don't have to put up with anything
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New anti-terror laws giving unprecedented power to police and government. Heeeeeere we go, Australia.
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Why help when they know how easy it is to get America to do their work for them?
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