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Cry me a river mate. It's not Australia's fault that Muslim men are stabbing police officers.

THENIGERIAN would like a word with you

Have I won a million $ us?

Thank you and God bless you

Refuse to listen when a Muslim does something.


When a non-muslim does something it is justified in every possible angle.

You definitely sound like a level headed person

When have I ever said that?

Seriously???


Whenever evidence is provided to show that Muslims have condemned terrorism etc, you have ignored it, and instead questioned the validity.

Whenever we provide evidence of non-muslims acting like a 'terrorist' you turn the other cheek.

Come on. Your whole dicussion along with others like munruben and sydney19... has been pretty much if the shoe fits.

I ignore it because I don't care whether they condemn it. Do something about it ffs.

You should do more about bikies.

Hey nothing wrong with bikies . They are just misunderstood individuals

Like we should do something about the same crimes committed everyday?

-PB

^ Agreed . People want the Islamic community to do something but can't name what they want them to do

Your mighty government leaders cant think of any amazing ideas?

What exactly do you want done? Give me any valid, plausible and reasonable ideas.

You say Muslims dont speak out against it, then when we do its not good enough for you. You really fit the stereotype of your avatar.

Stop reading after that, and I call absolute bullshit. Moderate Australian muslims haven't put themselves in this position, their leaders have. They need to take responsibility for radicalisation within it's young in the wider Australian community, denounce shock-jock Islamic warriors on social media like these twats: https://www.facebook.com/mohammedjunaidthorne (Ustadh Mohammed Junaid Thorne), https://www.facebook.com/MDLsydney (503 "likes". that young disaffected muslim young flock to. STOP playing the victim card here, it's not going to work, mainstream Australia just won't buy it. Don't come back at me with the ADL and anti-muslim sites, they have not nearly been as inflammatory in all this...

I have loads of respectful, law abiding mulsim friends who are all shocked and disappointed by this, but what they are more disappointed by is the lack of leadership from the Islamic community in Australia. ALL of this have mentioned this to me!


Who, exactly, is driving a wedge and creating alienation between the majority and moderate muslims in Australia? The government? (Islamic leaders want you to believe that), the authorities (Islamic leaders want you to believe that), the ordinary muslim in the street? (no, they just wants to live in peace, and I respect that but their leadership is preaching alienation and disaffection during sermons).

It seems like there are bodies and councils running around everywhere with there own take on things, and if there could be clear, definitive leadership in Australia within this religious group.... well the sooner the better before things get out of hand.

And I will add, it was a dog act for that Navy officer to try and drag middle eastern people down with his claims about a bashing in western Sydney. He should be sacked for that. That's how I feel about this, I don't want violence in our communities from either side inciting it, and yeah the guy is a fucking loser.

With these points it concerns me that our country (i'm not a flag waving bogan but with night shifts all week i can't find a better word) is partly responsible for the radicalisation of these kids.

I disagree entirely and reject any notion.

However, that's not important.

Would a potential solution be to get these 'marginalised' people into jobs like the police, fires and ambo's to give them a better community representation?

Sorry fuckface but yes it is Australia's fault.

The kid broke up with his girlfriend and was looking for something to be a part of to fill that void in his life, unfortunately it was ISIS. From what I read he never planned to do anything in Australia, he wanted to travel overseas and fight for ISIS. His parents tried to snap him out of it.

Meanwhile you have the AFP going over to his house and telling him they are watching him, what a great idea, you tell any angry 18 year old man not to do something, what happens? They fuckin do it.

Then they decide to cancel his passport, what a great idea! If he wants to kill himself fighting for ISIS overseas let him. Why make him stay in Australia where authorities are squeezing him, waiting for him to slip up?

Then on top of that you have the media fear mongering and the majority of spineless blind Australians (like your kind self) shitting themselves, this makes someone who is already angry and irrational even more so, and now he cant leave the country, great!

I dont know what happened at the police station, you dont, the media doesnt. From what Iv seen though you have a kid whos angry, being pressured by police, media and society, all waiting for him to fuck up. If the AFP left him alone he would have fucked off overseas or gotten over it.

Also, dont fucking sit there and say the Muslims who condemn ISIS arent doing enough and they need to something about it. Why dont you do more then condemn it and tell other people they need to do more? Why dont you go and tell the Australian government to stop giving the yanks rimjaws at every opportunity?

Last I checked it was the western countries that bombed the fuck out of Iraq because of 'WMD's', which the would found out they had none and it was bullshit. The western countries then installed a 'government' which has obviously failed (therefore its a western failure). The western countries keep saying 'we are providing military training and guidance to Iraq', but a army of nearly 300,000 is been beaten by an army of 10,000-30,000. yesterday ISIS over ran the Iraqi army and killed at least 300 soldiers and took their equipment and vehicles (including tanks). What the fuck training has been provided? How can 300,000 be slaughtered by 10,000-30,000? What was the fucking training? Here buying all this military equipment off us, then when you're getting the shit kicked out of you call us to bomb the fuck out of your country and try not to die.

This is not to mention that the western governments plan to solve the problem of ISIS by doing the exact same thing that fucking caused them, you know, bomb the fuck out of them and do a half assed job at making sure the country is stable before leaving.

But you think peaceful, dignified people that have nothing to do with ISIS that are being humiliated because of ISIS arent doing enough. What do you want them to do? Form their own army and kill ISIS and overthrow the Iraqi government? Then tell the US and their fuck buddies to get out of the country and stop destroying the region? Whats your plan mate? Your name is 433, thats a brilliant tactic (one of my personal favourites, behind 4-2-3-1) so you better live up to your name or change it Mr tactician.

Your government?

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you australian?

^Sorry but this is where this thread starts, and begins. Over and over. Don't refer to it is "your" country, government, community.

Be inclusive please..... you rarely, RARELY see other Australian minorities referring to their country, governments, communities as "your" as publicly as the Islamic community.

It's OUR country?! NO?~! Why say as much, you live here, earn a living here, provide for your family here, to grow and prosper in a safe and prosperous country.

Yes of course their are pockets in every non-anglo community, but with the situation that has arisen you would thing they'd take some sensible consideration with inflaming the notion of alienation; something which I've yet to see.

This is why I bring up the point of alienation, and Islamic leaders pushing this on moderate muslims. It's not helpful. Can you not see why now?

Edited by Double Edged Sword: 26/9/2014 10:31:42 PM

Double post sorry.

Edited by Double Edged Sword: 26/9/2014 10:29:13 PM

Not for one second is it anyone's fault that he was violent. That said, 433 is being a muppet about this. Integration happens naturally with education. Eventually minority groups naturally adopt 'Australian' mannerisms in their way of life, just as we adopt some of theirs.
People who demand integration are ignorant. People who justify violence are idiots.

Edited by eastern glory: 26/9/2014 11:47:46 PM

So do you want to tell us how this is Australia's fault? Or would you like to put your fingers in your ear and machine gun the blame to everyone else some more?

What reason is there not to demand integration. We are a cohesive society and have no reason to change our way of life to suit the needs of others. People choose what country they go to.

I don't like the way Qatar is in terms of laws, freedom etc. so why would i go there and not respect their way of life? The mind boggles.

Would we really call it a matter of respect? I don't think anyone thinks Australians should change their ways to suit various waves of immigration, but why should a MULTICULTURAL country makes demands of new people? :lol: it's laughable really.

I think demand is the wrong word to use. It's disrespectful for new Australians not to do their best to integrate without causing a fuss.

I agree that they shouldn't attack the way that current Australians live, but what is integration? How does one integrate into Australian society?
There are so many Australians of different ethnicities, histories and ways of life that it simply makes the term integration just sound ridiculous.
Integrating into Cabramatta is very different to integrating into Castle Hill, which is different to Penrith, which is different to Cronulla...

To me it means their lives do not obstruct everyone else's in any way.

Understandable. A slightly different question for you then, how do you feel about white Anglo Muslims in Australia, honestly?

Every single day, as I try to go about my daily business I think "things would be much better if there weren't these muslims everywhere obstructing me"

Complex question. If i drive to Logan south west of Brisbane I think good lord wheres napalm when you need it :lol:

I think us anglo's need to be a little less trigger happy when it comes to having a go at things we disagree with.

If this is going to go back to anglo's and aboriginals 300 years ago it's not going to go anywhere.

This topic is about the minority extremist threat from sections of the muslim community. Don't derail it, stay on topic, because it it a serious topic that needs a fair and frank discussion.

Not all immigrants are muslims. They seem to be most represented.

Their last obstruction was a bunch complaining about not being allowed to construct a mosque in Currumbin on the Gold Coast. It made my drive to a work site longer than necessary. The world is a terrible place :lol: