I'm not sure what your trying to say here - because the muslim is doing it for ideological reasons it is somehow excusable?

Have a look at Europe mate - it's crumbling.

Absolutely not.

In fact its probably more the opposite of that. Doing it for ideological reasons is worse.

But of course, regardless of the reason, its terrible.

Right.

Vague enough to sound like it has merit. Vague enough to have zero merit.

Just have a look at rape statistics and how they correlate with Muslim immigration.

See: Sweden.

I guess they don't teach correlation /= causation at high school anymore.

They're still every Australian citizens government elected by democracy :)

Evidence goes a long way.

Ignorance not so much.



Be that as it may, the style of my post and the point still stands.

Apologies but i missed the intention of your post originally?

Very much the same as yours, tongue in cheek.

If that's the extent of your argument, I think we're done here . :lol:

Is that an actual view you hold, or are you just parroting idiots?

I used to think I could tell when you were being sarcastic, but you've used the same style of rhetoric so often now that it's too hard to tell.

That's t he thing, you can't force the immigrant community to adopt into a lifestyle straight away and those same immigrants have to realise they need to adapt. It was easy for my mum and I as I was quiet young and so was she so she adapted to the aussie lifestyle like ducks on water . My in laws especially my father in law took a while to adapt to the lifestyle here . It took him and my mother in law a couple of years to realise they don't have to live in fear from bombings and tank shelling.

The extent and content of my arguement was one based on fact, evidence, and pure common discussion, but you refused to acknowledge any of that instead insisting that your view was the one that all must adhere too. So i simply brought some humour in my life.




I agree with the context. If people refuse to integrate, accept that they are now living in a different country and they must abide by the laws of the country, then they can and probably should go live somewhere else.

However, that does not only apply to Muslims but to every single person who chooses to live in Aus. In eleven years in Brisbane, I have never seen an apathy to integrate on the same level as I have seen from the Asian community. That is just a total refusal. Now i acknowledge that it is also a minority, but they too live in the country.

It also raises the old age question. What is Australian way of life? What is Australian culture?

If you ask the majority of people the aussie way of life is to love sport . Enjoy a piss up have a warped sense of humor . To not take one self seriously and she'll be right is the only way . There is no wrong way to show what's an Aussie lifestyle as there isn't one . People will pick and chose what they want and adapt them to suit themselves

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Piers Akerman
Thursday, September 25, 2014 (6:39pm)


THANKS to the publicly funded ethnic lobby and its supporters at the ABC, SBS and Fairfax, Australians were denied the opportunity to examine and possibly root out the evil of Islamo-fascism when it first came to public attention during the so-called Cronulla riots of December 2005.

Then, when convoys of young Lebanese-Australian publicly demonstrated their hatred for Western culture, terrorising whole suburbs as they smashed windows, vandalised cars and shouted abuse at men and women dressed in regular street clothing, the public was advised: Move along, nothing to see here.

But there was plenty to see. Just as there had been when some Australian Muslims cheered the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, and failed to condemn the Bali bombings. What was on show was undeniable evidence that within the Muslim community there were many, not just a handful, who were supporters of terrorism.

But the handful of commentators who dared point out the obvious were warned off with threats from various taxpayer-funded organisations and nanny state apparatchiks that publicising the blatant unvarnished facts about Cronulla might whip up unnecessary fear and create division in the community. Instead of highlighting the self-evident antagonism of many young men in the Muslim communities in Sydney and Melbourne, particularly, to the society in which they or in many cases, their parents, had sought and received sanctuary from attacks from other Muslim groups in their former homelands, the publicly funded media portrayed the violent bullies as victims.

They weren’t seeking to assimilate into Australian society, they wanted to be separate. They didn’t want their sisters to be free to mingle with non-Muslims socially, they didn’t approve of Western fashions, they hated the West. The bien pensants who would not admit that young Lebanese-Australians had been responsible for the Cronulla riots, the weak-kneed self-interested Labor politicians who didn’t want the police to investigate the convoy which had set out from Punchbowl Park to terrorise and vandalise, must now confront the consequences of their stupid politically correct approach to a criminal enterprise.

The weakness shown by the authorities then has undoubtedly encouraged a generation to arrogantly believe in their own supremacy now. Whenever challenged, they and their lawyers would play the victimhood card.

Whether it was the increase in fanatical suicide bombings, the 9/11 attacks, or even the gang rapes carried out by young men who self-identified as Muslims even as they were committing the most heinous crimes, the kumbaya crowd has always insisted the perpetrators were the real victims.

Just as the Islamic Council of Victoria has refused to condemn 18-year-old Abdul Numan Haider, who was shot and killed at Endeavour Hills Police Station in Melbourne on Tuesday after he arrived for an interview with two knives and savagely wounded an Australian Federal Police officer and a Victorian policeman before he was shot dead. Political leaders have been too quick to say Islam is not the problem.

But elements of Islam are clearly part of the problem, as anyone familiar with the Koran must be aware.

Constant appeasement of the vocal radicals is not the answer, be it with the censorship of free speech by S18C of the Racial Discrimination Act or through biased programming like the ABC’s Q & A show.

Having failed to address the issue of Islamo-fascism when it started to emerge within the Australian Muslim community, politicians are still reluctant to confront reality. There is a division in Australian society between those who refuse to assimilate and those who welcome the freedoms offered by our pluralistic society.

It is little wonder young men, in particular, feel angry and frustrated when told they cannot enjoy the company of girls dressed in stylish clothing, or enjoy the company of workmates without guiltily wondering whether they have broken some religious edict.

That they are easily swayed by the dramatic propaganda spewed out by Islamic State is of real concern and indicates the values being taught in their schools and within their homes are not compatible with those held by Western societies.

While the majority of Muslims may not bear ill-will toward the West, it is clear there are radicals holding influential positions within religious schools and mosques who do.

Australian citizenship is to be cherished and respected. Most citizenship ceremonies extol the values that attract migrants to our country — the obligations that go with citizenship deserve equal emphasis.

Piers Ackerman?! Give me a break.

Integration is always a laugh for me. It seems we demand it of our Asian and Moslems friends and yet if you go to any other country on Earth you can hook up with Australians playing cricket or AFL, drinking VB and generally making karnts of themselves and making the barest of efforts to assimilate.

And I'm talking places where Australians have gone to live, not just visit.

Integration/assimilation is code for "be like me".

Frankly despite me being born here and loving Australia I find aspects of our culture at times distasteful and at other times truly repugnant.

It's not hard to see why, for example, some Asian father would prefer his 17 year old daughter dress more modestly and not get shit faced drunk rather than dress like a whore and find herself vomiting into a gutter on a Friday night.

Does that make him unworthy of being an Australian?

According to some of the boofheads around the place yes it does.

This so fucking much.

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sad isn't it

I agree with most of what you say.

But no-one would argue with a father preferring his daughter would not get shit-faced and dress like a whore regardless of the race or culture. The problem lies when the father wants to marry off his 12 year old daughter to some random 40 year old bloke in Pakistan, and then return to Australia as husband and wife.

;) true love

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27260027

I was just throwing up another take.....Ackerman is a PIA at the best of times but on rare occasions has a point or 2.

I agree on some of your post but I don't agree "integration" or whichever way to say has been demanded on Asian/Moslems for I recall my times growing up how hard it was to be accepted as an aussie incl my parents (Italian).
I had to endure fights nearly every free period v's the wonderful anglos, times haven't changed to much imo, its just bottled up within till it explodes ala Cronulla.
I think you stereo type the typical aussie a bit much - in all my travels I don't see the behaviour you describe, mind you watching and hearing from the sideline the way some speak to OS people whilst abroad I just shake my head and be embarrassed but normally aussies in general are welcomed that I have experienced.
Its the stupidity/ignorance here more so than aussies OS but obviously you have seen the type of behaviour you describe somewhere ?
The typical aussie behaviour (shall we call them yobbos?) I agree is disgusting, not my type of people to associate with are our downfall, mind you I would imagine some are aussie born migrants as well ? its a viscious circle tbh, multi culturalism has so many good points but its a melting pot at the same time because it hasnt been handled very well as it has kept growing I suppose - none of us will have the answers without knowing all the community and gov facts.

Edited by M.L.: 29/9/2014 04:14:35 PM

For Batfink and ML.

As an example there are AFL sides in Bali, Jakarta, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Singapore, Japan and Malaysia.

There's also plenty of touch footy being played around the place and needless to say Rugby Union for non-locals (ie expats) is very big in Asia with a Rugby club in just about every capital city.

I'm not sure that in my 3 years of working in Asia I ever saw or met an Australian playing in a local soccer team.

Oh but they're expats, they're different. No they're not. They may be expat in name but they've been there for 10 years or more and, besides holidays, they have no intention of ever coming home.

My point was that Aussies, just like everyone else, like to hang out with their own kind when they're in another country.





Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 29/9/2014 04:28:53 PM

Also America and Britain

I fucking hate running into Aussies overseas.