Looking forward to them getting to the bit where it says that salt water and fresh water can't mix together.

+1. It also happens when there is a fertile environment for people to be converted when the structure of governance isn't there due to the tribal nature of humans at that time.

When the structure of governance is overwhelmingly underdeveloped and the level of knowledge is low, then people will believe anything.

Not a lot of people haven't heard about the Taiping Rebellion which started in China some 200 years ago due to some preacher who told everyone he was the brother of Jesus Christ and he gained a cult following, formed a rebellion to fight and almost overthrew the Manchurian Government.
20 Million people died as a result of this. This sort of thing we are seeing is no different to today. Its not about dying for religious cause, its about dying for the preaching establishment so they can achieve their aims.

For a good laugh try these on for size.

Absurdities:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/abs/long.html

http://falseislam.org/#C

Plagiarism: http://falseislam.org/#D

Hate mongering: http://falseislam.org/#F

Sex with a child, raping and pillaging, genocide etc: http://falseislam.org/#G

Just brilliant stuff. You couldn't make it up.

Well you could, it's called religion.

If you're going to learn about the qur'an make sure you take a critical look and apply some critical thinking while you're at it.

The quran is also available in 3 ply for extra softness.

a lot of misinformed assertions in that ce'st la vie. The moment i became christian i quickly learnt i had to get used to that sort of nonsense. I imagine for a muslim in oz it would be a hundred times worse :k

I dont suppose a mod could do me a favour and remove the comments by munrubenmuz and t unit
This is thread where i wanted to learn about another religion in part so i can counter the predjudice i keep hearing from people i know. Its a free country. If you wish to start a troll thread title it "islam really sux" then you keep to that one and ill keep on topic in this one

@zimbos thanks for that and sorry about the trolls i have a few more questions about sura two in my potentially dodgy translation (ill read the rest in the translation you recommended)

This is sent from my ipad so i cant give exact verses but here are some questions

it seems to imply that christians muslims and jews are all going to heaven in the quran so long as they are true followers is this correct?
The story of saul and the soldiers seems to contradict the biblical one. The biblical one involves gideon in the book of judges perhaps a millenia before saul. Do muslims see the quran as innerrant in meaning? Or in detail and meaning?
There was a verse that seemed to imply you can only repent once but perhaps that is due to a bad translation? Or is it a correct translation?
it says it allows divorce within the limits of allah. What are these limits?
What does compulsion mean in the verse "there is no compulsion in religion"? (The context doesnt seem to spell this out)
it seems that violence is considered justified against oppressors and persecutors in this surah but only until the oppression or persecution stops? Is this correct?

I liked the verse that says when you give to the poor dont lecture them. It reminded me of proverbs 31 vs 6 that says let the poor get drunk with wine so they can remember their poverty no more (in other words we are to give to them without judging them if they spend some of the money on getting drunk)

Edited by zimbos_05: 12/10/2014 09:54:32 AM

I dont begrudge you wanting to further your knowledge on any subject, but look where you are doing it.
This is the shits and giggles part of a football forum website. There are no exclusive groups here other than a few to keep the place running like mods forum or the old bloggers one. Every one has a right to talk.

You could do this all in PM's with a select few, but in public like in life you will always have outside influence you dont want.

Where do you go if you dont get into paradise?

Remember, its not supposed to touch the floor

I've always wondered, the whole shit in the hole in the floor and hoseblast your arse because its unclean to touch yourself etc

Is that really a thing?

-PB

Did your copy come with a one way ticket to Iraq?

Read it, you might very well convert

Just like people adverse to AFL

Its surprising how easy it is to brainwash people, no, really

cheers zimbos

with regards to christians and jews going to heaven in islam I thought sura 2:62 implied this

i have a few questions about surah 3 as well as a general question

the general question is this. Is this written in chronological order or some other order?
other questions:
what is the battle of two armies?
when it says do not take unbelievers for friends over believers to protect yourself does this talk about protecting yourself physically or from influence. Would Christians and jews count as unbelievers here. A plain reading of the first two chapters seems to paint polytheists and atheists as unbelievers. Is this correct?
What does it mean to not take them as friends over unbelievers. Does this mean simply in preference to or a general caution not to get too close to them?
A passage near the end seemed to imply that muslims were morally obliged to fight when they are attacked or oppressed is this a correct reading?
God is often using the phrase "we". Presumably this is non trinitarian religion so is we the "royal we" or does it mean God and the prophets?

hell by the looks of it. Probably about one in 4 verses so far have been on the topic of hell

As you say, it's a free country - it would be a better world if people would stop picking on one religion or another, and either came down as theist or non-theist, because in real terms these are the only two stances.

Well the hole isn't necessary. As for washing the arsehole, yep it's true. At least for my ex who was a secular Persian (non-believer) but obviously brought up in a Muslim household. She even had a special hose installation for the bath room.

Helped with the anal tbf though.

[size=1]inb4 notor: Yep, for both of us.[/size]

Gotta fight for your right for pegging.

Don't even need to edit my post. Love you bro <3

/thread

TBF, I only replied because of you asking me to <3

Don't... don't mate me propose mate.. My heart is reserved for scouse.

*Puts lube away*

I will answer these questions at some point, just hecticly busy with work at the moment. Will get to it though.

Whats so controversial about this book compared to Charles Darwin's book of Natural Selection?

One interpretation of Charles Darwin is he says humans are evolved from monkeys and everything is related, explainable via science
The flipside of this interpretation is Charles Darwin is linked to Eugenics and Nazism, where if you conform with the idea of evolution: 'only the strong will survive' there is no place for individuals

So, with this in mind: is the Quran (or any religion) any more controversial than Charles Darwin?

Strength isnt everything.

A herbivore lizard over time may evolve a better claw to help climb a tree that is its primary source of food.

Just like small animals evolving to have defense mechanisms to defend them from large predators.
It is nothing to do with strength, the trigger is increasing the rate for survival.

Linking evolution back to nazi ideals seems like a long bow, so not sure if trolling or this is pro creationism propaganda.

There's a world of difference between "humans are evolved from monkeys" and "humans and monkeys share a relatively recent common ancestor".

So is anyone getting the urge to decapitate some one yet?

I just attribute that to video games.

With exams coming very soon, I feel like blowing up right now.