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A16Man wrote:Tottenham needs more Eriksen! Needed his creativity against Everton. Holtby is solid but doesn't have the killert instincts Erikson does.
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Could we go to a three at the back? Lloris Kaboul-Dawson-Vertonghen Paulinho-Sandro Townsend/Lamela-Holtby-Chadli/Sig Eriksen Soldado
Only thing I'd be worried about would be Vertonghen going forwards, a lot of times (particularly last season) Dawson was left alone at the back. We also get a lot of width from our Full Backs because of our inverted wingers.
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milan_7 wrote:Could we go to a three at the back? Lloris Kaboul-Dawson-Vertonghen Paulinho-Sandro Townsend/Lamela-Holtby-Chadli/Sig Eriksen Soldado
Only thing I'd be worried about would be Vertonghen going forwards, a lot of times (particularly last season) Dawson was left alone at the back. We also get a lot of width from our Full Backs because of our inverted wingers. I think we'd get done on the break too easily there but for it to have any chance of working Sandro HAS to be in the team to break up play.
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We f*cking sucked so bad. Got very unlucky but we shouldn't have to rely on luck to get us past Newcastle at home.
Some points:
- awful defending for the goal. Great finish by Remy but he should never have been able to get into position to score. - crossing/set pieces was abysmal. Several times we either hit the first player or the wall. Not good enough. -Townsend, where to start. Can't cross, can't shoot. He has no direction. Over-lapping Walker was much better. He actually got the ball into the area. -Midfield: WTF is the point in playing Soldado if we can't give him service. No killer passing. Dembele was awful and Paulinho had his worst game. Not overly convinced with Erikson either, some wayward passes. Sandro was our best midfielder by FAR! - Width: Why play Siggy and Townsend? We were so painfully narrow last night. We need Townsend on the left and Lamela on the right with Siggy and Erikson fighting for a central spot. It's so so obvious. - playing 5 in midfueld at home. WTF? 2 up front please!
Very frustrating. Newcastle were good and Krul was inspired but we didn't create enough, not at home. 9 goals tells the story really. AVB is making spurs play a way we've never played. I'd rather lose and play exciting attacking football than lose due to poor defending and fuck all going forward.
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Townsend is fucking tops m8
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jlm8695 wrote:Townsend is fucking tops m8 Engrand L3g3nd :roll:
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benelsmore wrote: Very frustrating. Newcastle were good and Krul was inspired but we didn't create enough, not at home. 9 goals tells the story really. AVB is making spurs play a way we've never played. I'd rather lose and play exciting attacking football than lose due to poor defending and fuck all going forward.
That's a bit harsh. There were 3 clear cut chances in there, plus at least 2 amazing saves from Krul. If we take the game 3-1 there are no complaints really. It wasn't a lack of chances, just a lack of finishing. Townsend is plateau'ing a bit, so it might be a good chance for Lamela to get more time. He'll need to prove himself though. We also need to see Eriksen starting, but Holtby's work rate might earn him a start against City. It's always the game before the international break that we lose...
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Vaughn2111 wrote:benelsmore wrote: Very frustrating. Newcastle were good and Krul was inspired but we didn't create enough, not at home. 9 goals tells the story really. AVB is making spurs play a way we've never played. I'd rather lose and play exciting attacking football than lose due to poor defending and fuck all going forward.
That's a bit harsh. There were 3 clear cut chances in there, plus at least 2 amazing saves from Krul. If we take the game 3-1 there are no complaints really. It wasn't a lack of chances, just a lack of finishing. Townsend is plateau'ing a bit, so it might be a good chance for Lamela to get more time. He'll need to prove himself though. We also need to see Eriksen starting, but Holtby's work rate might earn him a start against City. It's always the game before the international break that we lose... We should have not given Krul a chance to make those saves. It was a lack of chances. F*ck all going forward, we seem incapable of fashioning clear scoring opportunities. Lamela needs to start and well Townsend, he needs to be working on crossing and passing!!
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Momma always said der would be days like dis. -PB
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I'm so glad I went to bed at 2-0.
AVB out :lol: (I'm serious this guy doesn't know his best formation)
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Looking forward to a very early St Totteringhams day at this rate. Manchester United next week too.
Maybe AVB really should be moved on. Can't fathom as to why he keeps playing Vertongen out of position (IMO easily your best field player). A teams best performer should never be taken out of position to be used as an injury fill in.
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AVB needs to work out what system he wants to play, and he needs to do it quickly.
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Worst defeat for 17 years.
We played well for a while but still no decent chances and wtf was our defence doing?
I don't think Vaughan could even defend our lack of chances created this time around.
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goneske bring harry back!
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benelsmore wrote:Worst defeat for 17 years.
And after that game your next game was a 2-1 loss at home to United. A repeat of that would make it 1pt from 12 in the last 4 league games and some serious questions to be asked about AVB.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:benelsmore wrote:Worst defeat for 17 years.
And after that game your next game was a 2-1 loss at home to United. A repeat of that would make it 1pt from 12 in the last 4 league games and some serious questions to be asked about AVB. :lol: really? What a coincidence. Ominous signs. I'd almost be pleased with a 2-1 defeat. Serious questions are already being asked. Namely: - Why are we playing 2 defensive/holding midfielders in a 5 man midfield at home against teams sitting deep? - Why the fuck has our record signing played 1 league game as a starter? - Why is our best player playing out of position (Vertonghen)? - How does a 100mil worth of attacking players only score 9 goals in 12 matches? If anyone says the word luck i'll end then :lol: I seriously think we've lost our identity. Spurs under Redknapp (although his tactics and lack of rotation may have cost us) were so much better on the eye. Theres nothing worse than playing boring negative football and still losing. If we're going to play boring football we at least need to score an early goal and successfully park the bus. Levy will not tolerate our team playing such attrocious football for much longer. The "team building and familiarization" phase was over 6 matches ago. The home crowds are struggling to motivate a team that's giving them nothing to celebrate and hardly anything to get excited about. I supported the sacking of Redknapp due to his inabaility to make changes to a system that wasn't working (ie. playing the same 11 3 times a week). AVB seems to be unable to change our system when we go behind or can't fashion chances until it is too late in a game. I'm sure he doesn't know what our most effective 11 is. Playing inverted wingers doesn't work against negatively set up teams who can easily nullify a narrow team.
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Last time I saw defending like that was coaching a park Div 5 side years ago. Suffice it to say but next season I got rid of most of those defenders.
Truly abysmal.
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Without game breaker Bale darting towrds the box and unleashing AVB hasn't much else I see tbh.
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M.L. wrote:Without game breaker Bale darting towrds the box and unleashing AVB hasn't much else I see tbh. AVB is better than that. It wasn't the attacking that cost Spurs but absolute lack of care in defending.
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thupercoach wrote:M.L. wrote:Without game breaker Bale darting towrds the box and unleashing AVB hasn't much else I see tbh. AVB is better than that. It wasn't the attacking that cost Spurs but absolute lack of care in defending. They have scored 9 goals in 12 games, only Crystal Palace and Sunderland have scored less this season. So the attacking has most definitely cost them this season.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:thupercoach wrote:M.L. wrote:Without game breaker Bale darting towrds the box and unleashing AVB hasn't much else I see tbh. AVB is better than that. It wasn't the attacking that cost Spurs but absolute lack of care in defending. They have scored 9 goals in 12 games, only Crystal Palace and Sunderland have scored less this season. So the attacking has most definitely cost them this season. Agree 100%, I was talking about what killed them against Citeh. This season they've defended well but had trouble scoring. Against MC they actually put some nice attacking moves together but their defence was just abysmal, they just stood and ballwatched for most of the 6 goals they conceded. Fair play to City, they were great, but with that kind of defending it wasn't hard for them to score goals.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:thupercoach wrote:M.L. wrote:Without game breaker Bale darting towrds the box and unleashing AVB hasn't much else I see tbh. AVB is better than that. It wasn't the attacking that cost Spurs but absolute lack of care in defending. They have scored 9 goals in 12 games, only Crystal Palace and Sunderland have scored less this season. So the attacking has most definitely cost them this season. 5 in 6 games at home. We previously had issues with shit strikers to serve. We now have a good striker who gets f*ck all service.
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thupercoach wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:thupercoach wrote:M.L. wrote:Without game breaker Bale darting towrds the box and unleashing AVB hasn't much else I see tbh. AVB is better than that. It wasn't the attacking that cost Spurs but absolute lack of care in defending. They have scored 9 goals in 12 games, only Crystal Palace and Sunderland have scored less this season. So the attacking has most definitely cost them this season. Agree 100%, I was talking about what killed them against Citeh. This season they've defended well but had trouble scoring. Against MC they actually put some nice attacking moves together but their defence was just abysmal, they just stood and ballwatched for most of the 6 goals they conceded. Fair play to City, they were great, but with that kind of defending it wasn't hard for them to score goals. Nice attacking moves that still don't create chances. Spurs fans have been shitting me by saying "oh but we created so many chances look we had 26 shots on goal" That counts for nothing when 22 of them are from outside the box and go into row Z. We're playing too narrow and can't stretch defences.
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benelsmore wrote:thupercoach wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:thupercoach wrote:M.L. wrote:Without game breaker Bale darting towrds the box and unleashing AVB hasn't much else I see tbh. AVB is better than that. It wasn't the attacking that cost Spurs but absolute lack of care in defending. They have scored 9 goals in 12 games, only Crystal Palace and Sunderland have scored less this season. So the attacking has most definitely cost them this season. Agree 100%, I was talking about what killed them against Citeh. This season they've defended well but had trouble scoring. Against MC they actually put some nice attacking moves together but their defence was just abysmal, they just stood and ballwatched for most of the 6 goals they conceded. Fair play to City, they were great, but with that kind of defending it wasn't hard for them to score goals. Nice attacking moves that still don't create chances. Spurs fans have been shitting me by saying "oh but we created so many chances look we had 26 shots on goal" That counts for nothing when 22 of them are from outside the box and go into row Z. We're playing too narrow and can't stretch defences. and thats where the Bale factor hit the mark last season, bang from the edge of the box left side right side, good goals like that inspire your team mates after trying to get the result whilst game was locked. Just as us hitting the woodwork so many times the last years means jack shit typically those games that could have been. Anyway they'll lift there's enough talent its just to gaining that rythem and luck hopefully next game :p Edited by M.L.: 26/11/2013 03:12:55 PM
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M.L. wrote:benelsmore wrote:thupercoach wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:thupercoach wrote:M.L. wrote:Without game breaker Bale darting towrds the box and unleashing AVB hasn't much else I see tbh. AVB is better than that. It wasn't the attacking that cost Spurs but absolute lack of care in defending. They have scored 9 goals in 12 games, only Crystal Palace and Sunderland have scored less this season. So the attacking has most definitely cost them this season. Agree 100%, I was talking about what killed them against Citeh. This season they've defended well but had trouble scoring. Against MC they actually put some nice attacking moves together but their defence was just abysmal, they just stood and ballwatched for most of the 6 goals they conceded. Fair play to City, they were great, but with that kind of defending it wasn't hard for them to score goals. Nice attacking moves that still don't create chances. Spurs fans have been shitting me by saying "oh but we created so many chances look we had 26 shots on goal" That counts for nothing when 22 of them are from outside the box and go into row Z. We're playing too narrow and can't stretch defences. and thats where the Bale factor hit the mark last season, bang from the edge of the box left side right side, good goals like that inspire your team mates after trying to get the result whilst game was locked. Just as us hitting the woodwork so many times the last years means jack shit typically those games that could have been. Anyway they'll lift there's enough talent its just to gaining that rythem and luck hopefully next game :p Edited by M.L.: 26/11/2013 03:12:55 PM Hard to gain rhythm playing defensively and narrow (inverted wingers) at home against defensive teams. I'd have thought with our midfeild we'd be able to pass through teams by now...... maybe if we can stretch them the gaps to pass through them will open up. Playing a lefty on the right and a righty on the left doesn't usually help with that a lot though.
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Every time i watch Spurs it seems like you guys have a different starting eleven. Am i right or just imagining things?
Eriksen to me seems to have started off really well and should be more regular. Not so sure what the go is with the one striker up front and it also seems like Defoe has definitely been the more inform over Soldado. Is AVB clueless at the moment.
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zimbos_05 wrote:Every time i watch Spurs it seems like you guys have a different starting eleven. Am i right or just imagining things?
Eriksen to me seems to have started off really well and should be more regular. Not so sure what the go is with the one striker up front and it also seems like Defoe has definitely been the more inform over Soldado. Is AVB clueless at the moment. Eriksen has had trouble with injuries, and it seems AVB is scared that our defensive structure will go out of place if we play a 4-4-2 but if the second half is anything to go by, he's right.
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Great recovery by your mob - Sandro's strike was well worth watching the game ! Pity you didn't get up.
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M.L. wrote:Great recovery by your mob - Sandro's strike was well worth watching the game ! Pity you didn't get up. Thanks :) Does feel like 2 points dropped. Those two goals were completely avoidable. However we really played positively (thank God) - Lennon was fantastic, really worked hard defensively too. - Walker was up for the game and really put in 100 % - Chirches was good. He made an error or two but made up for it with some terrific tackles and blocks. Worst player was probably Dawson. His pointless long balls and wayward passing is getting a bit frustrating. Really happy that the atmosphere was back and we attacked. Happy to see the Spurs of old back.
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