They were elected democratically to represent them in their respective positions in office. None of them ran a campaign promise to vote for Hillary or anyone for that matter with his/her superdelagate. And "elected to represent the people". That is the exact opposite of what DNC chair said they were for
In other words, to vote against the will of the people if we need to.

Giving 20% of the vote to 717 people and 80% of the vote to 40million about as democratic as blacks being considered 3/5th of a vote

Also more than half of these superdelagates are selected by the DNC. Some are Union leaders (probably that donate a lot of money and support to the democratic party), lobbyist (ditto), lawyers, community organisers as well as hand picked to do the bidding of the establishment elected officials lower state level positions. I'm not saying it, DWS said it






Both party's primaries systems are half right imo. The Republicans don't have superdelagates and the Dems do proportional delegates for all states

Obviously I understand its a representative democracy. Having a true democracy would require having the population very informed about issues they don't have time for. But your representative should get there through the fairest democratic election achievable.

The DNC get to make their own rules on how they elect their nominee so they deserve criticism for how its run if it isn't perceived as fair. They can make you don't get to participate in the election process at all. Theres nothing saying they can't, in fact thats how they used to do it. The democratic party passed the voting rights act and are responsible for blocking a lot of voter suppression laws the right are trying to pass. One of the best things about the democratic party is they are the pro voting party, its undeniably hypocritical to have the superdelagate system in place.

:lol:

I reckon that's an insult to both Hitler's and Mussolini's intelligence.

But even then I'd choose the most massive nerd to lead the class in any sense outside of football and that's Bernie for sure, haha. Rand Paul looks like the cool guy next door in pretty much every teen comedy ever released. Would probably be a laugh at the pub for sure. Would've totally told Hillary she's a 10/10 and then kept her on the side.

Now it was me (yes, moi) who coined the phrase "to the right winger, complex problems have simple solutions"

Should I take breach of copyright action against the Mexican President?

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I'll say it again, these primaries are to select a nominee to represent the democratic party at the election. The "people" get their say at the presidential election.



The DNC are themselves an elected body from what I can see. I can't make any claims about whether dodgy things happen at the lower levels to ensure certain people are elected but it's highly likely as it happens here with our major political parties but you're over trivialising the whole thing.

Also you keep quoting DWS, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with what she's saying. As azza said there are issues with very low voter turnout so it's hard to say for sure if a candidate is really representing democratic party members. I'm not that into US politics but from what I can see I'd probably be a Bernie Sanders supporter so it's not a case of bias towards Hillary (who seems to be a beneficiary of the system). Just that I think the superdelegates model has merit.

no Australians get to vote for leader of the party, the party does

Yes I'm aware of the system. I mentioned the major parties here because pre-selection for seats in both houses has a lot of similar attributes to what "likely" happens with the DNC as well as their congress,senate etc.

i was agreeing with you :p

Я понимаю :lol:

Right wing intellect - an oxymoron

I don't know what SNL's intention was with this video, but this only helps Trump's cause.

Considering it's SNL, I'm guessing their intention was humour.

Yes, but since their extremely left-wing I have no doubts they have a political motivation to it.

:lol: Are you telling me that a comedy sketch about a candidate for President might have political motivations?

Mind-blowing.

What does it tell you when the front running Republican candidate appears to be adored by the voters yet reviled by his parties leadership.

And appears to be able to abuse, bullshit, ridicule and bully anyone who stands in his way?

Trump is a devil of the Republican Party's own making. They've happily pandered to the loony right over the last two decades, and now the crazies are out of control.

This article from the New Yorker makes the point that whereas in Europe the 'reasonable right' has consistently been able to differentiate itself from the extremists, in America that hasn't happened. Wall Street Journal conservatism and Tea Party conservatism have been awkwardly meshed together, and that awkward pact is now being torn apart.

Obviously the big difference from Europe is that America has such a strong two-party system, but I wonder if Europe's historical experience with political extremism (both Communism and Fascism) make moderates on both sides of politics there more reluctant to embrace extremists.

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That's because right wingers do far more stupid shit far more often to provide comedic fodder
Plain & simple

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVwFmdipfZg&list=TL3AOI9k_zWhswODAzMjAxNg

The sharpest line in the skit was the one that barely got a laugh:
"While Republicans do lack the empathy gene, that is the ability to make other people suffer and then make the complicated leap to 'I wonder if that hurts?'"

Trump gone ...he finished

Trump not going to win enough delegates to get over 1237 to be nomination

If they shaft him at the convention in July, it will be far too late for him to run as an independent. He won't have enough time to get ballot access.

i'm not 100% sure...but i don't think he be able to run as independent by the time the republicans nomination is over

JP said before me :d

Edited by adrtho: 9/3/2016 03:34:49 PM

That is not true - in the ALP the party membership gets to vote - it is 50% weighted and the votes of the party room are 50% weighted.

Rudd brought that in.

Shorten won the party room vote, Albanese the party membership vote. But Shorten won a big enough proportion of the party room to outweigh Albanese's votes.

That is likely true, but that doesn't necessarily mean the other candidates will agree on backing one specific alternative.

Everyone forgets that Cruz is also hated by the Republican establishment.

The nightmare scenario for them is for Trump to just fall short of an absolute majority of delegates, with Cruz a strong second, and Rubio & Kasich trailing.

The mainstream republicans are not guarantee to rally around Cruz as an alternative to Trump. But how could Kasich/Rubio be credible as the republican candidate with such a low level of pledged delegates?

It is still entirely an open question as to what will happen in the Republican race.

If you think Trump is running on the back of the Tea Party and the "extreme right" then you have no clue. If anything, Cruz represents the extreme right - look at his reprehensible views on gay marriage, abortion and his flat tax proposal.

No, Trump is instead forging a new GOP. It is not Tea Party/Evangelical ultra-conservatism and it is not Bush-republicanism. Rather, this Trump GOP is a nationalist party with a populist message to the working class.

Good wins for Trump today in Michigan and Mississippi, and a surprising upset in Hawaii.

Rubio is completely fucked, the "establishment coalescing" that people were assuring us would happen has not transpired.

Yeah no hope for Rubio now. This time next week, Trump will be the Republican nominee. Suddenly all those who have been speaking out against him within the party will have a choice to either back him in or see Hillary win. The country will go into meltdown.

There is massive crossover between the Tea Party and Trump supporters. If anything this election has proven that the Tea Party movement was widely misunderstood - its focus wasn't necessarily on the religious values and "constitutionalism" that Ted Cruz focusses on, it was about nationalism and "reclaiming" what they perceived to be old America.