I agree with repealing 18c.

Hitch was the greatest.

If you agreed with Je Suis Charlie then you should agree with repealing 18c in Australia.

-PB

"relatively moderate brand of Islam yet remains conservative on sexual issues" is a better quote to cover what the article is saying.

So they are more moderate than other countries in general but still very harsh on sexual issues.

In other news:

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[quote]Moroccan-born mayor of Rotterdam tells fellow Muslims who do not appreciate the 'freedoms' of living in the West to 'pack your bags and f*** off' on live TV
Ahmed Aboutaleb, a Moroccan-born Muslim, spoke after Paris attack
The mayor said Dutch Muslims who 'don't like freedom' can f*** off
He added: 'Vanish from the Netherlands if you cannot find your place here'
Aboutaleb became the first immigrant mayor in the Netherlands in 2008
By SARA MALM FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 09:32 GMT, 13 January 2015 | UPDATED: 18:24 GMT, 13 January 2015


The Moroccan-born mayor of Rotterdam has said Muslim immigrants who do not appreciate the way of life in Western civilisations can 'f*** off'.
Ahmed Aboutaleb, who arrived in the Netherlands aged 15, spoke out in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris last week.
Appearing on live television just hours after the shootings, Mayor Aboutaleb said Muslims who 'do not like freedom can pack your bags and leave'.
Mayor to Muslims on LIVE TV: "Don't like freedom? F*** off"

Dutch courage: Ahmed Aboutaleb, mayor of Rotterdam, said that Muslim immigrants who do not appreciate freedom of speech enjoyed in the Netherlands can 'f*** off'
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Dutch courage: Ahmed Aboutaleb, mayor of Rotterdam, said that Muslim immigrants who do not appreciate freedom of speech enjoyed in the Netherlands can 'f*** off'
Labour politician Ahmed Aboutaleb, a former journalist who was appointed mayor of the Dutch city in 2008, is known for his straightforward stance on integration.
The 53-year-old won the praise of London-mayor Boris Johnson over his comments last week attacking fellow Muslims who move to Western nations but refuse to accept the Western way of life.
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'It is incomprehensible that you can turn against freedom,' Mayor Aboutaleb told Dutch current affairs program Nieuwsuur (Newshour).
'But if you don't like freedom, for heaven's sake pack your bags and leave.
'If you do not like it here because some humorists you don't like are making a newspaper, may I then say you can f*** off.
Speaking out: Mayor Aboutaleb, a Moroccan-born Muslim, told immigrants to 'vanish from the Netherlands if you cannot find your place here'
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Speaking out: Mayor Aboutaleb, a Moroccan-born Muslim, told immigrants to 'vanish from the Netherlands if you cannot find your place here'
'This is stupid, this so incomprehensible. Vanish from the Netherlands if you cannot find your place here. All those well-meaning Muslims here will now be stared at'.

Mayor Aboutaleb grew up the son of an imam in northern Morocco, but moved to the Netherlands in 1976.
After working as a reporter he became a civil servant before being appointed State Secretary for Social Affairs and Employment in 2007.
When he was appointed mayor of Rotterdam, the second largest city in the country with a population of more than 610,000, he became the first immigrant in such a position in the Netherlands.
Mayor Aboutaleb, who represents the Dutch Labour Party, de Partij van de Arbeid, has long had a no-nonsense approach to immigration and integration.
Speaking to the Observer shortly after his appointment he said his message to immigrants is 'stop seeing yourself as victims, and if you don't want to integrate, leave'.
This week, London Mayor Boris Johnson hailed Mayor Aboutaleb as his 'hero' and 'straight to the point'.
'That is the voice of the Enlightenment, of Voltaire,' Mr Johnson wrote in the Daily Telegraph.
'If we are going to win the struggle for the minds of these young people, then that is the kind of voice we need to hear - and it needs above all to be a Muslim voice.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2907941/Moroccan-born-mayor-Rotterdam-tells-fellow-Muslims-not-appreciate-freedoms-living-West-pack-bags-f-live-TV.html#ixzz3OmgLzqUf
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It's a shame that so much of the criticism that we have of Islam in Australia is so unsophisticated and racist, but even if it weren't you would still have Muslims calling their opponents racists and Islamophobes because it's easier to strawman an argument and use a label than to address actual points.

It's the same reason that Jews call any opposition to their faith and Zionism "anti-Semitic", opposition to feminism becomes misogyny and calling out Joffa becomes persecution of autists.

I think quite a few through sub-saharan Africa.

There are also plenty through Asia that while they may not imprison you for that period of time, have laws around unmarried couples sharing hotel rooms and the like.

True, although how many non-muslim nations are left with punitive sexual morality laws like this?

Genuine question, I couldn't think of any off the top of my head. India, maybe, but that's more bogged down in class issues more than anything else.

There are heaps of sexually conservative countries around the world that aren't muslim nations.

But dont speak too loudly you bogan bigot.

"Muslims who are merely caught alone in a secluded place with a member of the opposite sex who is not a relation can face up to two years' jail and a fine."

"relatively moderate"

I guess when you consider that a kid in Egypt was just sentenced to 3 years in prison for merely saying that he was an Atheist (his dad turned him in), it does look relatively moderate.

Things like these are why I don't often buy the sob story of Muslim persecution or oppression.

this is the very reason they need female genital mutilation....;)

Journalists need to stop using the phrase "We suspect it to be a sex orgy cum birthday party"

Also, this is what happens when sexual expression is suppressed by primitive beliefs. Malaysia is a pretty awful country.

Not massively relevant to the thread but interesting article.

This sounds like one of Dr Colin's parties



Edited by colin: 13/1/2015 09:01:16 AM

I suppose i did use the wrong wording to put across my point.

Animosity would not be fuelled if we as a collective society were able to draw the line between free speech, and vilification.

Also, watched the video. Simply put, he is an idiot. He made no sense. He was not coherent. Instead, he contradicted Islam a few times too.

You did say that "these things" would stop happening if people stopped mocking the prophet though, didn't you.

Do you see how people interpret those words and words like them as a form of apologia for the actions of the gunmen?

Ill watch the video when i get home.

But i can already respond to the second question you asked. No it would be no justification to gun him down because of that. Much as there is no justification for gunning down Charlie Hebdo cartoonists for their drawings. That is something i have always maintained and said throughout.

I only tried to provide an insight in to why Muhammed PBUH is such a'sore topic' as someone who is so highly revered. he is not just a 'well make fun of him, get over it' topic.

I never got clarification from Zimbos about whether Dawah Man is a bully or not, and whether the suggestion that it would be acceptable for an atheist to drink their fathers sperm is more or less repulsive than a few cartoons of Mohammed.

And if it is so repulsive, do you think that we would have people saying that Dawah Man brought it on himself if an Atheist group gunned him down in the street?

Edited by Notorganic: 13/1/2015 12:19:40 AM

Edited by paladisious: 12/1/2015 10:48:15 PM

The implication was that kids were brainwashed in to their religion. And it was drilled in to them.




Never denied that she was young and even for me it is rather concerning to think that someone so young could get married. But I've asked an imam. He gave the commentary and so on.



Because if you read the rest of my sentence, you will notice I said that I have read those verses on those topics. seen the translation and commentary, asked an imam when i wasnt sure and needed clarification, and i now understand them. I've tried to explain them on here too, but apparently everyone here is a little vincent can gogh with their hearing.



*best attenborough voice*

"And here we have the rare species. Intelligus Sensabilus. They often very hard to find in these climates, but they provide us with the hope the world needs."



Kim Jong Un thinks he is god. But when people are running around the streets claiming to be Jesus we don't take their word for it, we call them crazy.

Maybe if your'e worried about his nuclear might, just a though, stop mocking Kim Jon Un. Simple. Just let North Korea do what they want in their little bubble.

Edited by zimbos_05: 12/1/2015 09:33:53 PM

"Shiiiiiiitt" - Muslims everywhere, 2015.

I love the condoning of cold blooded murder couched in pious high & mighty sounding logical cant.

These people are uncivilised barbarian scum spouting the backward twisted ravings of a peasant desert dwelling pyschopathic paedophile from 600AD.

May God have mercy on your souls. Because we will not.

Trust me. Kim Jong Un disagrees and he's the only person in North Korea i care about since the rest can't leave the country.

But if all that matters to you is the potential deaths caused by needless mocking by people using their free speech, then North Korea should be mocked less than muslims, after all they have nukes. 12 people would seem like a drop in the bucket compared to what north korea have the potential to do.

Edited by tbitm: 12/1/2015 02:23:24 PM

the thing is guys, some of you sound worse then the people you re judging.
so what if Muslims believe what they believe, that is also a form of freedom of speech. yeh some of them are f%$ked up and do stupid things such as
killing innocent people and the like but its not everyone, and they shouldn't suffer for it. I think everyone can believe what they want and we as fellow humans should respect each others, race, religions etc. I mean just because we have a freedom of speech doesn't mean we shouldn't have boundaries in what we say and who we tease. yes its the same for Christians with people drawing Jesus in piss, or teasing him on south park etc.. I mean yeh you don't have to believe in Jesus etc but there's people that do so teasing that figure is very disrespectful.
as for our ancestors who fought and died for freedom of speech, I can guarantee you this is not what they had in mind.

Nah bro, the Quran has rules for it!



Basically she's not a woman if she hasn't menstruated yet.... But they get around that by saying you just have to wait three months. Good old Muhammed waiting until she was a fully grown woman at the age of nine though!



Definitely not a kiddy fiddler.

Remember guys - The only dude who was in actual contact with god (who knows the future, right?) wasn't told that it might actually be pretty fucked up if the prophet he sent to Earth slept with a 9 year old and that people in the future might look back at it as something negative.