Anyone else see this last night?
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-16/live-baiting-expose-to-rock-greyhound-industry/6109878

I briefly heard the radio mention it this morning.I wasn't aware that this kind of thing wasn't common knowledge tbh. Greyhounds (well, particularly the racing type) are killers - there's a reason they have the muzzle and all that. They're so keen to chase that little rabbit because they think they're chasing food. It's instinct.

I used to work with a guy who was a greyhound trainer, he told me all about it. Basically after about 4-6 races, depending on the dog, a racing greyhound will become disinterested with racing and will noticeably not race as good. This is because they realise that no matter how hard they've tried to catch that little rabbit, they're not getting the food. So the greyhound needs a live kill to get its motivation back, as they think "oh wow, I CAN get that little rabbit" and they'll try even harder the next race.

Some people hire out tracks for these live kills, and others do home-jobs. The guy I was working with said if he couldn't afford to hire the track out or was more keen to stay at home, what he'd do is go to the local shops (he lived in the bush), offer $10 to a bunch of kids who always hung around the shops to go catch him a live possum, the kids would come back with a live possum and be $10 richer (they became pro's at catching them, apparently). Then my guy would take the possum home, put a totem tennis pole into the ground, tie a rope to the pole and the other end to the possum, and then let the possum and his dog loose. Mostly the possum would dash off, then when it hit the rope limit (he gave it a 10-20m length) would naturally run circles around the pole. And the dog would chase it until it got it, and the dog would be happier than ever. But he said hiring the track and doing a proper live run was best for the dogs.

I didn't know that greyhound racing was seen as innocent, and I thought this kind of thing had been exposed for ages.

Edited by pv4: 17/2/2015 11:22:13 AM

I havent seen the piece but have been informed of what it is based on.
Unfortunately there are trainers out there that do this sick sort of thing. But it is in the very minority.

and PV4 your old work mate is wrong. Dogs don't lose interest at all. He should however be hog tied upside down and left to die.

I am a trainer and have known approx 100 trainers over the last 20 years and none participate in anything like this. Granted these are all in WA but the greyhounds are all the same.
Thankfully in WA we have RWWA who are pretty on the ball with most things so this stuff doesn't happen.

Unfortunately greyhound racing gets shot in a bad light and I understand with some assholes out there it always will be.
I have been involved with over 100 racing dogs that I owned or part owned and only 1 of them had to be put down due to a snake bite. Every other dog was rehomed.

as for my training dogs all 25 have been rehomed. So there are people out there in the industry trying hard to do the right thing.

live possums, they fight back

Racing industry turns out to be filth, real surprise there

Interesting. My old workmates was an "interesting" character (and by that I mean he was fairly simple, a bogan), that's for sure, but when I asked if it was the minority that did the live kill or whether everyone did it, he was adamant that everyone did it.

Another thing he said is that some trainers (him included) sometimes stuck their finger up the dogs butt just before a race to get them psyched up or something :lol: is that a legit thing perthjay?

That always gets me running faster. If my wife wants some bread or milk, I drop my pants, up she goes, and I am back in a flash.



Edited by Colin: 17/2/2015 11:46:13 AM

And I think that is where the problem lies. Greyhound racing is transforming slowly into the science behind the dogs. A lot of trainers now a days are younger and bit more clued on. I have seen many purchase ultrasound massage machines for their dogs, as well as hydrotherapy baths with treadmills so if the industry can keep transforming then hopefully a lot of old bogan bastartds will be gone from the industry. Unfortunately it will never be perfect but nothing ever is.

Hahaha that is a new one, I have heard of it happening but never from anyone in the industry. The worst thing I have come accross was a fuckwit trainer went to his butcher and got a rabbit fur (skin) and used to let his dogs sniff it before a race. He was caught and banned for 2 years.

Disregarding the live baiting and all that, I've always been interested in joining a syndicate with mates to have some dogs.

A few of my older friends have done it in the past (or still do) - basically they get 5 or so mates, each chip in an amount at the start plus a weekly amount (I think around 200 startup plus 10-20 a week) and basically they get some trainer somewhere to find them a dog, train it, and race it.

It basically becomes an excuse for those mates to catch up, have a punt on a race, tell some mates about it, and if the dog does well to maybe travel a bit with it. One of my mates still considers the race his dog won in Gosford to be one of his funnest nights of his life. And that dog ended up going down to Melbourne, and the boys had a bit of a weekend away to go watch it race.

And usually the winnings of the dogs races, if they were lucky enough, ended up paying for future dogs etc.

All in all it was a bit of fun for them and something I have always thought I'd be keen to do if some mates ever decided to do so.

Edited by pv4: 17/2/2015 11:52:01 AM

honestly go for it mate, I was lucky and had a brother who trained that got me into it, I have got quite a few mates into syndicates over here as well as being in a few myself.

But we warned DON'T EXPECT TO WIN MONEY, I think in 125 dogs I have been involved with only about 5 have made me money, about 80 have broken even compared to what was paid. But you can make money with betting and speaking to your trainer, asking them if they have trained well.

Going to the dogs is a great night. and I hope the industry over east is cleaned up a bit.

Oh my god lol.

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:lol: holy fucking shit

Ohhhhhh sweet Jesus :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's actually a bit of a misconception, encouraged by the law requiring muzzles which in WA goes back to 1927. In WA the Dog Act has recently been amended to enable appropriately retired racing greyhounds to return to the community as pets without having to wear a muzzle which is great and hopefully will help more find good homes.

My folks have a retired greyhound (retired after one race as, despite apparently good breeding, it ran like it had three legs - sort of like the Steve McMahon Jr of greyhound racing). It is the gentlest dog I have ever come across and acts more like a cat than a dog.

You are partly correct there BM, our personal ex racing greyhound has to be muzzled and held on to firmly, If he spots a plastic bag blowing away from him he thinks he has just entered a personal race and will chase down that piece of plastic. And this would probably be the same as a small animal running around.

Same goes for quite a few of our dogs we have helped find homes.
A lot of greyhounds will be fine and won't chase once they are completely domesticated, heck even our greyhound plays with our 3 cats and is fine with them. But if he spots something in the distance he will chase it down.

There are now actual programs you can send your ex racing greyhound to that help train them and domesticate them. Then if everything goes well in certain states you can get color coded collars that show they are safe. This hasn't happened in WA yet but they have been trying to implement it for some time.

Greyhounds are placid and docile unless trained otherwise. Just like Staffies are adorable friendly boofheads unless trained otherwise. Greyhounds are, according to my vet friend, one of the laziest dogs when left to their own devices.

It has happened in WA recently

https://www.dlg.wa.gov.au/Content/Community/Dogownership/Factsheet_Greyhound.aspx

Fantastic news.
Spewing I hadn't seen it until now.

Going to make rehoming a lot easier from now on hopefully.

Used to go to Cannington a bit when I was younger and have thought about taking the kids out there but have heard it is a bit rough these days. Certainly looks pretty run down.

What do you reckon?

Unfortunately you are correct. It is a bit of a dive.
They are planning on knocking it down and rebuilding it further back from Albany highway but it won't have a grand stand.

If you want a good feed the restaurant is top quality for a buffet. Horribly overpriced on a saturday at around $90 per person with drinks. But Wednesday is good value, about $45 which includes a $2 bet and a other bits and pieces.

Other than that you just missed out on the Perth cup where they have bouncy castles and all sorts. Also new years eve is a pretty big night for the kids as well.

I'd like to state my opposition to live baiting and dirty practices in the racing industry, but also throw my support behind batfink and WSW baiting.

Can't wait for the four corners expose on that.

Hidden cameras in scotty21's house.

I like you :lol: \:d/ =d>

-PB

Is this thread about chicks on live cam? Love that shit.

Would be exceptional viewing haha. I'd like to see ACA throw their hat in the ring and tell the story their way. I'd love to see a journalist bring Batty to Scotty's door unannounced. Although with the amount of gay slurs and swearing I reckon half of the segment would have to be censored, so we would never be able to understand what's being said ;)

:cool: Good times :cool:

The course of action has been undertaken today

EDIT Wasnt greyhound racing on the Simpsons once?



Edited by condemned666: 7/7/2016 07:07:36 PM

Good stuff. I might not be able to ride my bicycle in the middle of a lane, or without a helmet, or stop on it without putting my feet on the ground, nor may I buy wine or beer or gin at an alcohol shop after 22:00, nor may I enter anywhere to drink after 01:30, nor may I stay out past 03:00, but this makes up for it! Thanks Mikey!

In all honesty, this is a good ruling in my opinion. All animal racing is fucked, and I say that as someone who owns a (non-racing) horse... I think there might be a few other bigger issues around though Mike, you know, like peoples' lives?

I wonder how many of these greyhound racetracks could make way for small rectangular stadia? :-k

There's one by Sandown raceway that would be prime position for a South East Melbourne facility.