Oh right, it's ok to steal from those guys because they don't put a 1 in the formation to count the keeper.

I'd also defend any other poster singled out for constant excoriation from a few posters looking for the negative rather than positive, unless they are frequent trollers .

If they constantly transgress, they're frequently banned.

Another thread that Joffa has set up, which I really like and he has put lot of work into, is the sticky on HAL crowds.=d>

Notorganic, why don't you who display some proactivity and start some threads yourself? The same applies to some of the other strident Joffa critics.




Edited by Decentric: 23/2/2015 12:35:20 PM

This is a constant allusion by recently trained coach educators off forum these days.

It has nothing to do with castigating those that don't do it on 442, but modern football recognises the contemporary role of the keeper as being different from those of the past.

Like some others on here, it is your right to mock it, and look for the negative.](*,)

Fair point, the fact that line is being crossed is the only reason I can see for people defending Joffa though tbh.

I'm not a fan of attacking the man like many are, but when pretty much everyone is pissed off with the way he conducts himself I think his defenders need to stop staunchly defending the man and acknowledge what the rest of us are seeing from his posting.

You're defending a content thief and advocating for content theft in turn . Each to their own, but I'll continue to speak out against it and demonstrate best practice when I post articles myself.

Not that continuing talking about it is exactly re-railing the thread, but I must admit I subscribe to a lot of ideals etc with modern football but the two that I just can't subscribe to are:
- goalkeepers included in formations
- this trend of not putting players (or only a player on the near post) on goalposts for corners and similar-positioned freekicks.

Looks at the context of what he is saying.

He doesn't respect the work of certain journalists because he doesn't perceive them as having the same knowledge of the game as he perceives himself to have and therefore it's ok to steal their work for the financial benefit of another company.

I've always considered myself to be a Joffa defender, or at the very least a non-understander of the hate, but I've never bothered to look at the situation specifically like notor has done well to detail in here.

So what do people want to see from Joffa? If he makes the same amount of threads, and links to the same amount of articles, but only uses headlines and possibly one paragraph from said article - will people be happy and leave him alone, so to speak? Or is the ingrained perception of Joffa, coupled with the fact that the news-generating bot is a hilarious (imo) tribute to Joffa in Joffabot, still push people over the line?

The first point is that I've constantly attended KNVB/FFA courses where the 1 is in front of the formation to recognise the role of the keeper as a sweeper. It is something I've inadvertently assimilated from these courses. I see by doing it, it can provide an educative role, if one looks at the difference between Ryan and Schwarzer.

We can agree to disagree.


The second point is that some sort of data shows that putting players on each post supposedly has more probability of saving goals scored from corners than not doing it. Yet I concur with you. I feel it is a necessity to put a player on each post at corners.




Edited by Decentric: 23/2/2015 12:52:08 PM

Yeah but formation listings are about positioning not individual player roles. In a 442 there is no differentiation between individual roles of the outfield players so why make a point of doing it for the keeper when his position is default, it just looks incredibly wanky and unnecessary.

A bit of editorial self restraint wouldn't go astray, either.

The constant shitpost and showerthought polls that seem to recycle monthly are especially grating considering that the ability for everyone to make polls was taken away due to the exact same behaviour that he continues from us great unwashed.

Whether or not we should put a "1" for the keeper.

The big issues.

On content theft, I would be happy to look at every website that Joffa scrapes a new article from and scrape the copyright disclaimer into the same thread.

Now we just need a discussion on Langerak > Jedinak as well as a reference to the FFT Tri-Leagues (Belgium, Bulli 2 and Holland) and the circle of FFT life will have been complete.

I didn't say that.

I proffered that it may not be wise to extol the virtues of some journos/companies, as paragons of virtue, exemplified in News Limited, because some of what they report is distinctly biased and unethical.

I also alluded to the ego that can be prevalent in the media. I can also see an antithetical argument that can be posited to my last sentence.

As a corollary, the means as to which they compile some of their stories, is also distinctly unethical at times. I'm discussing the media generically.

Also, may of us cut and paste some stories, at various times, for the benefit of other posters on 442. I've suggested that it may be pertinent for Joffa/Joffabot to cut and paste a finite number of stories, and for the poll threads to be reduced.

I also maintain Joffa has done some good things for this forum, that may not be known that widely, or publicised.





Edited by Decentric: 23/2/2015 01:03:37 PM

If you are doing this, I maintain you have too much time on your hands.

More football coaches are needed in Australia, particularly at junior level.

Are you interested?

No

Take it up with the FFA Technical Department.

Also, the Dutch KNVB and probably the French, German and Spanish national football federations.

It would also seem arrogant or ignorant in Australia, if top European nations' football terminology was ignored by us, when we are borrowing from them in methodology.

We are a football minnow in global terms.

Then again, we have plenty of people involved in football clubs in Australia who think we should ignore world's best practice. Instead, according to them, we should formulate our own eclectic methodology ( based on goodness knows what) with the highlight being failure to qualify for a World Cup in 32 years.](*,) ,







Edited by Decentric: 23/2/2015 04:21:45 PM

A lot of clubs need raffle coordinators, referees, canteen operators and administrators too.

I can vouch for your literacy skills in compiling flyers and newsletters.:lol:










Edited by Decentric: 23/2/2015 01:11:13 PM

lol, but the FFT tri-leagues are actually a genuine issue.

They've done a lot in restoring and developing our current squad.

Perhaps Joffa could join a club and steal another clubs newsletter

I could do with a bloke like you with a lot of time on his hands.


For:

*Pumping up balls.

*Putting cones out for grids.

*Sending out emails.

*Carrying poles and putting them out in grids.

*Washing vests.

*Washing the shirts on a weekly basis.


Are you interested?:lol:

lol.

I imagine nothing would turn me off football faster than working with Decentric

There I was thinking I might see you build up some core body strength, instead of muscular fingers developed from being an intrepid keyboard warrior escapades in cyberworld.:)

It could occur from carrying big bags of footballs, pumping them up with a hand pump, sprinting to put cones out, putting poles in place, ironing vests and team shirts, running the canteen, pouring thirsty blokes like me beer in the club bar, organising raffles, working the gates on match days, staffing the barbecue, cleaning the club toilets, etc.:lol:

You might have a lot more on your mind other than giving Joffa a hard time.:lol:





Edited by Decentric: 23/2/2015 04:15:51 PM

Stop derailing, this thread is about Joffa, not about you trying to lure men into your den to handle your balls.

Well that's just the natural conclusion everyone came to as well.

Oh geez :lol:

-PB

This isn't about theft, this is about looking for a reason to bash him :lol:

The whole world of journalism has evolved to where the industry does not exist as it has previously.

So what you are saying is that some posters, like you, Notorganic, can cut and paste from some websites that you deem acceptable for article extrapolation, whilst others can not, like Joffa?

Care to elucidate the manifest casuistry in your post?