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Toughlove wrote:Aikhme wrote:Joffa wrote:Aikhme wrote:Joffa wrote:Aikhme wrote:Draupnir wrote:Consider me shocked that yet again the most uneducated regions of Australia vote Conservative :lol:
Sterp the berts!
Edited by Draupnir: 3/7/2016 12:04:48 AM Consider me shocked that those who claim intellectual superiority are less aspirational and just want handouts from the richer aspirational sectors. Are you referring to John Howards middle class welfare, that still lingers on? Let's be honest. The Liberals are willing to provide as much welfare as the budget can sustain. Now that it can't it want to reform welfare and tax. Labor don't do this at all. Yes lets be honest, Howard missed an opportunity to structurally reform for the future, Howard knew we had an ageing population and knew reform was needed re "housing affordability, healthcare, superannuation, taxation, education, infrastructure and the environment and chose to stick their head in the sand.... Howard did more than enough for Australia's future when he handed over a $40 Billion dollar annual surplus to the next administration. In fact, Howard was the last GOOD Government Australia ever had which actually achieved great results for the country and the battlers. Everyone since have been total deadbeats apart from Abbott! Too bad Howard gave away rivers of gold in the form of middle class welfare and pissed away our future during his tenure wasting the mining boom largesse. Couple that with the OTT spending from Rudd during the GFC and it's easy to see neither party covered themselves in glory. (Yes they did need to spend during the GFC. No they didn't need to spend as much as they did.) That is a direct Liberal policy. Liberal policy is a low tax small Government policy. This means, a surplus is to be handed back to the tax payer. When in deficit however, they expect to cut spending to balance the books. What they give is no one's entitlement. It isn't an entitlement but many Australians beg to differ with that view.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:Deep down, every Australian wants Tony to rule them like a king. I got a sneaking suspicion Abbott will be back in a huge way.
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Aikhme wrote:Toughlove wrote:Aikhme wrote:Joffa wrote:Aikhme wrote:Joffa wrote:Aikhme wrote:Draupnir wrote:Consider me shocked that yet again the most uneducated regions of Australia vote Conservative :lol:
Sterp the berts!
Edited by Draupnir: 3/7/2016 12:04:48 AM Consider me shocked that those who claim intellectual superiority are less aspirational and just want handouts from the richer aspirational sectors. Are you referring to John Howards middle class welfare, that still lingers on? Let's be honest. The Liberals are willing to provide as much welfare as the budget can sustain. Now that it can't it want to reform welfare and tax. Labor don't do this at all. Yes lets be honest, Howard missed an opportunity to structurally reform for the future, Howard knew we had an ageing population and knew reform was needed re "housing affordability, healthcare, superannuation, taxation, education, infrastructure and the environment and chose to stick their head in the sand.... Howard did more than enough for Australia's future when he handed over a $40 Billion dollar annual surplus to the next administration. In fact, Howard was the last GOOD Government Australia ever had which actually achieved great results for the country and the battlers. Everyone since have been total deadbeats apart from Abbott! Too bad Howard gave away rivers of gold in the form of middle class welfare and pissed away our future during his tenure wasting the mining boom largesse. Couple that with the OTT spending from Rudd during the GFC and it's easy to see neither party covered themselves in glory. (Yes they did need to spend during the GFC. No they didn't need to spend as much as they did.) That is a direct Liberal policy. Liberal policy is a low tax small Government policy. This means, a surplus is to be handed back to the tax payer. When in deficit however, they expect to cut spending to balance the books. What they give is no one's entitlement. It isn't an entitlement but many Australians beg to differ with that view. Retarded policy. Ever heard of saving for a rainy day? Maybe you should google up Singapore and Norway for an example of what should happen to largesses bestowed upon a county. And anyway the liberals tax take as a % is/was higher than labour's so that doesn't fly either.
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Toughlove wrote:Aikhme wrote:Toughlove wrote:Aikhme wrote:Joffa wrote:Aikhme wrote:Joffa wrote:Aikhme wrote:Draupnir wrote:Consider me shocked that yet again the most uneducated regions of Australia vote Conservative :lol:
Sterp the berts!
Edited by Draupnir: 3/7/2016 12:04:48 AM Consider me shocked that those who claim intellectual superiority are less aspirational and just want handouts from the richer aspirational sectors. Are you referring to John Howards middle class welfare, that still lingers on? Let's be honest. The Liberals are willing to provide as much welfare as the budget can sustain. Now that it can't it want to reform welfare and tax. Labor don't do this at all. Yes lets be honest, Howard missed an opportunity to structurally reform for the future, Howard knew we had an ageing population and knew reform was needed re "housing affordability, healthcare, superannuation, taxation, education, infrastructure and the environment and chose to stick their head in the sand.... Howard did more than enough for Australia's future when he handed over a $40 Billion dollar annual surplus to the next administration. In fact, Howard was the last GOOD Government Australia ever had which actually achieved great results for the country and the battlers. Everyone since have been total deadbeats apart from Abbott! Too bad Howard gave away rivers of gold in the form of middle class welfare and pissed away our future during his tenure wasting the mining boom largesse. Couple that with the OTT spending from Rudd during the GFC and it's easy to see neither party covered themselves in glory. (Yes they did need to spend during the GFC. No they didn't need to spend as much as they did.) That is a direct Liberal policy. Liberal policy is a low tax small Government policy. This means, a surplus is to be handed back to the tax payer. When in deficit however, they expect to cut spending to balance the books. What they give is no one's entitlement. It isn't an entitlement but many Australians beg to differ with that view. Retarded policy. Ever heard of saving for a rainy day? Maybe you should google up Singapore and Norway for an example of what should happen to largesses bestowed upon a county. And anyway the liberals tax take as a % is/was higher than labour's so that doesn't fly either. Of course it is! Liberal like Labor is pandering to the masses. Its impossible for either party to get elected if they want to cut spending. Mean while the long tail of recipients keeps longer. How else to satisfy them without getting in to an ever-increasing spiral of increasing taxes?
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Toughlove wrote:Aikhme wrote:Toughlove wrote:Aikhme wrote:Joffa wrote:Aikhme wrote:Joffa wrote:Aikhme wrote:Draupnir wrote:Consider me shocked that yet again the most uneducated regions of Australia vote Conservative :lol:
Sterp the berts!
Edited by Draupnir: 3/7/2016 12:04:48 AM Consider me shocked that those who claim intellectual superiority are less aspirational and just want handouts from the richer aspirational sectors. Are you referring to John Howards middle class welfare, that still lingers on? Let's be honest. The Liberals are willing to provide as much welfare as the budget can sustain. Now that it can't it want to reform welfare and tax. Labor don't do this at all. Yes lets be honest, Howard missed an opportunity to structurally reform for the future, Howard knew we had an ageing population and knew reform was needed re "housing affordability, healthcare, superannuation, taxation, education, infrastructure and the environment and chose to stick their head in the sand.... Howard did more than enough for Australia's future when he handed over a $40 Billion dollar annual surplus to the next administration. In fact, Howard was the last GOOD Government Australia ever had which actually achieved great results for the country and the battlers. Everyone since have been total deadbeats apart from Abbott! Too bad Howard gave away rivers of gold in the form of middle class welfare and pissed away our future during his tenure wasting the mining boom largesse. Couple that with the OTT spending from Rudd during the GFC and it's easy to see neither party covered themselves in glory. (Yes they did need to spend during the GFC. No they didn't need to spend as much as they did.) That is a direct Liberal policy. Liberal policy is a low tax small Government policy. This means, a surplus is to be handed back to the tax payer. When in deficit however, they expect to cut spending to balance the books. What they give is no one's entitlement. It isn't an entitlement but many Australians beg to differ with that view. Retarded policy. Ever heard of saving for a rainy day? Maybe you should google up Singapore and Norway for an example of what should happen to largesses bestowed upon a county. And anyway the liberals tax take as a % is/was higher than labour's so that doesn't fly either. Actually Costello set up the Future Fund: http://www.futurefund.gov.au/about_the_future_fund/outlineIt provides investment money for infrastructure, education, disabilityand medical research, with the ultimate aim of providing investment returns to fund the super of public servants, rather than have them rely on the pension But aside from that, yes, they spent up a lot of the mining boom. If they hadn't, as sure as night follows day, Labor would have. The problem right now is the beneficiaries of that spending demand that it continue, without a mining boom anywhere to be seen.
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Draupnir wrote:Consider me shocked that yet again the most uneducated regions of Australia vote Conservative :lol:
Not every place in the world is a pretentious inner city urban hipster that wants gay marriage and carbon taxes
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Condemned666 wrote:Draupnir wrote:Consider me shocked that yet again the most uneducated regions of Australia vote Conservative :lol:
Not every place in the world is a pretentious inner city urban hipster that wants gay marriage and carbon taxes Those damned knowledge elites and bleeding hearts with their leftist conspiracies
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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Heineken wrote:SocaWho wrote:Sam Dastayari inviting Pauline for a "Halal Snack Pack"....:lol: Edited by socawho: 2/7/2016 11:02:42 PM This is the greatest moment out of the whole election. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [youtube]GLa2oOUWCwA[/youtube] Edited by Heineken: 3/7/2016 05:23:44 AM I reckon the Halal snack pack is overrated...I just prefer the normal kebab with tabouli and tomato w sauce.
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marconi101 wrote:Condemned666 wrote:Draupnir wrote:Consider me shocked that yet again the most uneducated regions of Australia vote Conservative :lol:
Not every place in the world is a pretentious inner city urban hipster that wants gay marriage and carbon taxes Those damned knowledge elites and bleeding hearts with their leftist conspiracies How can they know that there is no racism when they dont experience racism themselves? :-s
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mcjules wrote:So many lads hurting today. I've been there before. Let it all out, it's very cathartic. I could've copped a Labor government and its policies (neg gearing will be interesting) but for me when Bill Shorten spoke about a "new way of politics " I didn't think it meant concocting an outright lie and running a faux referendum on it. To me this portrays not only Bill Shorten but the entire Labor party as corrupt, and a new low for Australian politics. The Libs will no doubt learn from this and will run a similar vile deceitful scare campaign in the next election, ad infinitum. Seriously these are the kinds of campaigning you expect in places like Mexico and Venezuela, not a civilised country like Australia. I think also due to the 24/7 news cycle, trivialisation of poliical issues on social media and the medias eagneerness to destabilise incumbent governments we are likely to see a revolving door of new government every three years.
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marconi101 wrote:Condemned666 wrote:Draupnir wrote:Consider me shocked that yet again the most uneducated regions of Australia vote Conservative :lol:
Not every place in the world is a pretentious inner city urban hipster that wants gay marriage and carbon taxes Those damned knowledge elites and bleeding hearts with their leftist conspiracies Their philosophies are perfect within the confines of the Ivory Towers of Universities and lecture rooms. Its the real world where it all falls apart.
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marconi101 wrote:Condemned666 wrote:Draupnir wrote:Consider me shocked that yet again the most uneducated regions of Australia vote Conservative :lol:
Not every place in the world is a pretentious inner city urban hipster that wants gay marriage and carbon taxes Those damned knowledge elites and bleeding hearts with their leftist conspiracies Knowledge elites :lol: Insufferable..
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Three bites, how bout that
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:Deep down, every Australian wants Tony to rule them like a king. Deep down I just want a giant meteor to strike the Earth and put an end to this shit.
For the first time, but certainly not the last, I began to believe that Arsenals moods and fortunes somehow reflected my own. - Hornby
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Toughlove wrote:Aikhme wrote:Toughlove wrote:Aikhme wrote:Joffa wrote:Aikhme wrote:Joffa wrote:Aikhme wrote:Draupnir wrote:Consider me shocked that yet again the most uneducated regions of Australia vote Conservative :lol:
Sterp the berts!
Edited by Draupnir: 3/7/2016 12:04:48 AM Consider me shocked that those who claim intellectual superiority are less aspirational and just want handouts from the richer aspirational sectors. Are you referring to John Howards middle class welfare, that still lingers on? Let's be honest. The Liberals are willing to provide as much welfare as the budget can sustain. Now that it can't it want to reform welfare and tax. Labor don't do this at all. Yes lets be honest, Howard missed an opportunity to structurally reform for the future, Howard knew we had an ageing population and knew reform was needed re "housing affordability, healthcare, superannuation, taxation, education, infrastructure and the environment and chose to stick their head in the sand.... Howard did more than enough for Australia's future when he handed over a $40 Billion dollar annual surplus to the next administration. In fact, Howard was the last GOOD Government Australia ever had which actually achieved great results for the country and the battlers. Everyone since have been total deadbeats apart from Abbott! Too bad Howard gave away rivers of gold in the form of middle class welfare and pissed away our future during his tenure wasting the mining boom largesse. Couple that with the OTT spending from Rudd during the GFC and it's easy to see neither party covered themselves in glory. (Yes they did need to spend during the GFC. No they didn't need to spend as much as they did.) That is a direct Liberal policy. Liberal policy is a low tax small Government policy. This means, a surplus is to be handed back to the tax payer. When in deficit however, they expect to cut spending to balance the books. What they give is no one's entitlement. It isn't an entitlement but many Australians beg to differ with that view. Retarded policy. Ever heard of saving for a rainy day? Maybe you should google up Singapore and Norway for an example of what should happen to largesses bestowed upon a county. And anyway the liberals tax take as a % is/was higher than labour's so that doesn't fly either. It's not retarded btw. The Liberals consider workers and business to be over taxed and families to be under pressure already. This undermines the economy, business, and consumer confidence and it also curtails the tax revenue take. Which is why, the Liberals believe that any surplus belongs to the tax payer and also could be used to help out the battler. However, when there is a deficit, their intentions are to cut spending and only as a last resort raise tax. They will not raise tax for the hell of it to fund more spending. It is actually quite sensible. They try and run the country like a business. They can be relied upon to introduce sensible economic policy without beating down on the worker or business or families. They will handout when they can and tighten the belts when they have to. Edited by Aikhme: 3/7/2016 12:42:25 PM
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Condemned666 wrote:Draupnir wrote:Consider me shocked that yet again the most uneducated regions of Australia vote Conservative :lol:
Not every place in the world is a pretentious inner city urban hipster that wants gay marriage and carbon taxes :lol:
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For me the best and funniest part of this whole election is the fucking whinging about the scare campaign from Labor :lol: Cry me a fucking river.
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marconi101 wrote:Three bites, how bout that Your comment was good and so true. Which is why Australia will go down the gurglar. We will have a minimum 1 to 2 PMs within each 3 year term. This is something you would expect in Bolivia, not Australia. I really worry for future generations. Edited by Aikhme: 3/7/2016 12:51:48 PM
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:For me the best and funniest part of this whole election is the fucking whinging about the scare campaign from Labor :lol: Cry me a fucking river. Sorry but sending people an SMS and purporting it to be directly from Medicare itself, and calling old fragile people at night to scare the hell out of them all on a lie, is beyond contempt! Probably illegal too, which is why the Federal Police have been involved to investigate.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:For me the best and funniest part of this whole election is the fucking whinging about the scare campaign from Labor :lol: Cry me a fucking river. Laughing doesn't change the fact it was a grubby , snide, villanous tactic. On reflections in the coming months and years this will come back to haunt the Labor party.
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rusty wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:For me the best and funniest part of this whole election is the fucking whinging about the scare campaign from Labor :lol: Cry me a fucking river. Laughing doesn't change the fact it was a grubby , snide, villanous tactic. And successful as hell.
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What I want to know is where's Scott Morrison yelling at Penny Wong to 'look at the board' now :lol:
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Aikhme wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:For me the best and funniest part of this whole election is the fucking whinging about the scare campaign from Labor :lol: Cry me a fucking river. Sorry but sending people an SMS and purporting it to be directly from Medicare itself, and calling old fragile people at night to scare the hell out of them all on a lie, is beyond contempt! Probably illegal too, which is why the Federal Police have been involved to investigate. Whats intriguing is seeing people try to sweep this under the carpet, as if it's not a big deal, as if lies and deceit of this magnitude are the new norm. I can understanding people wanting power but politicians should be held to account and punished for running dishonest campaigns, not rewarded with government which just encourages more lies and deceit. As voters we should speak up when the party we support does the wrong thing, or crosses the line, rather than trying to insulate them. It's obvious Labor voters are either stupid to fall for the lie or have no conscience or moral standards.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:rusty wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:For me the best and funniest part of this whole election is the fucking whinging about the scare campaign from Labor :lol: Cry me a fucking river. Laughing doesn't change the fact it was a grubby , snide, villanous tactic. And successful as hell. Is that your defence, that because the lie was successful, it was justified ? That Labor can't win government by telling the truth?
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rusty wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:rusty wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:For me the best and funniest part of this whole election is the fucking whinging about the scare campaign from Labor :lol: Cry me a fucking river. Laughing doesn't change the fact it was a grubby , snide, villanous tactic. And successful as hell. Is that your defence, that because the lie was successful, it was justified ? That Labor can't win government by telling the truth? TIL the ALP is the first political party to successfully use a lie to get what they need.
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Aikhme wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:For me the best and funniest part of this whole election is the fucking whinging about the scare campaign from Labor :lol: Cry me a fucking river. Sorry but sending people an SMS and purporting it to be directly from Medicare itself, and calling old fragile people at night to scare the hell out of them all on a lie, is beyond contempt! Probably illegal too, which is why the Federal Police have been involved to investigate. No different to spammers...I wonder if Labor outsourced that task to Nigeria :lol: Edited by Socawho: 3/7/2016 01:20:16 PM
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Can see rusty has changed modes now :lol: Wonder if he will change back if the board changes as postal votes etc are counted :lol: -PB
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salmonfc wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:Deep down, every Australian wants Tony to rule them like a king. Deep down I just want a giant meteor to strike the Earth and put an end to this shit. Fuck you, I'm having a great time.
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rusty wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:For me the best and funniest part of this whole election is the fucking whinging about the scare campaign from Labor :lol: Cry me a fucking river. Laughing doesn't change the fact it was a grubby , snide, villanous tactic. On reflections in the coming months and years this will come back to haunt the Labor party. Rusty I'll agree with you there. Disgusting grubby tactic by labour which simply sets the bar lower for both sides the next time another election rolls around. But I'll bet you $1 to $100 you never heard what the Nationals did in the seat of Cowper when Oakeshott decided to throw his hat on the ring. The cunce, and that's the only word for them, bough the domain name for roboakeshott.com and then preceded to slag him off on it. So stupid were the National Party they used their own name to register it. In fact they bought a second website, similarly named, but this time they were not so stupid and used an intermediary in the Bahamas. BBQ SauceWhether you rate Oakeshott or not that's pretty low.
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