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SWandP wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:Langan wrote: There would be very few Westerners who would even know the names of more than 3 Japanese war crimes. Hell I would be impressed if anyone could name 3 off the top of their head without help. Sandakan, POW ships, Changi Singapore massacres I meant, Batam. That's 4. Do I get a skippy badge? Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 27/4/2015 09:50:35 AM Just a few more. This list is just a small sample: Testing of chemical and biological weapons on civilians in Manchuria. Wholesale kidnapping and exporting Korean women to prostitution "comfort centres' throughout the Empire. Execution of Allied airmen routinely upon capture. The use of civilians as training aids to "blood" new soldiers. Locals in occupied areas were simply taken and tied to poles and used for bayonet practice to teach novices how to kill. This was widespread in China. Rape, murder and mutilation of the native peoples of Milne Bay. Cutting the breasts off native women was commonly reported. Murder of two Catholic Nuns near Kokoda by cutting their throats. Killing of a priest out of hand after he tended some wounded. Slave labour of Pacific Islanders to suport the landings along the New Guinea coast. Executed and beaten regularly. Murder of an 11 year old boy at Rabaul (along with his mother and father) for suspicion they may have had a hidden radio. Murder by bayonet (in pairs) of Australian Soldiers after they surrendered on New Britain. Murder of Australian Soldiers by drowning through caging in cane baskets left in the tidal zone in Dutch East Indies. Murder and torture of Australian wounded in Malaya by throwing them into a hole (caused by a failed attempt to blow a bridge), pouring petrol upon them and then burning them alive. Their ashes were used as fill. Murder of Australian wounded by bayonet and the machine gunning of their attendant nurses after capture. (Read story of Vivian Bullwinkel). Beating prisoners of war with wooden clubs for the crime of catching cholera. (Diary of Weary Dunlop). Systematic starvation by refusing to provide rations for sick POWs. No work, no rations. Over .25 million Chinese killed on the Burma railroad - starved, beaten and diseased. The Bataan death march. The ordering of the civil population of commit suicide instead of surrendering and the impressing of 1500 school children to bear arms against the Allied landing at Okinawa. Indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas as they advanced simply to cause terror. Transport of prisoners in overcrowded ships, where prisoners were locked in holds, with no food, little water and no fresh air whilst being transported through tropical destinations to slave labour roles in Japan. Deliberate sinking of a correctly marked and lit hospital ship off Brisbane. Ahhh I could go on but I get depressed, Cannibalism of Australian soldiers in Kokoda.
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paulbagzFC wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:highkick05 wrote:ASIAN cultures are the worst.
WOW! 4 billion people summed up in a part sentence. 442 delivers once again. Pretty sure Highkick is Filipino lol. -PB if he is god help me. Makes us filos look bad:lol:
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Poor Highkick.
Just enjoy him. Don't take it too seriously.
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u4486662 wrote:SWandP wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:Langan wrote: There would be very few Westerners who would even know the names of more than 3 Japanese war crimes. Hell I would be impressed if anyone could name 3 off the top of their head without help. Sandakan, POW ships, Changi Singapore massacres I meant, Batam. That's 4. Do I get a skippy badge? Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 27/4/2015 09:50:35 AM Just a few more. This list is just a small sample: Testing of chemical and biological weapons on civilians in Manchuria. Wholesale kidnapping and exporting Korean women to prostitution "comfort centres' throughout the Empire. Execution of Allied airmen routinely upon capture. The use of civilians as training aids to "blood" new soldiers. Locals in occupied areas were simply taken and tied to poles and used for bayonet practice to teach novices how to kill. This was widespread in China. Rape, murder and mutilation of the native peoples of Milne Bay. Cutting the breasts off native women was commonly reported. Murder of two Catholic Nuns near Kokoda by cutting their throats. Killing of a priest out of hand after he tended some wounded. Slave labour of Pacific Islanders to suport the landings along the New Guinea coast. Executed and beaten regularly. Murder of an 11 year old boy at Rabaul (along with his mother and father) for suspicion they may have had a hidden radio. Murder by bayonet (in pairs) of Australian Soldiers after they surrendered on New Britain. Murder of Australian Soldiers by drowning through caging in cane baskets left in the tidal zone in Dutch East Indies. Murder and torture of Australian wounded in Malaya by throwing them into a hole (caused by a failed attempt to blow a bridge), pouring petrol upon them and then burning them alive. Their ashes were used as fill. Murder of Australian wounded by bayonet and the machine gunning of their attendant nurses after capture. (Read story of Vivian Bullwinkel). Beating prisoners of war with wooden clubs for the crime of catching cholera. (Diary of Weary Dunlop). Systematic starvation by refusing to provide rations for sick POWs. No work, no rations. Over .25 million Chinese killed on the Burma railroad - starved, beaten and diseased. The Bataan death march. The ordering of the civil population of commit suicide instead of surrendering and the impressing of 1500 school children to bear arms against the Allied landing at Okinawa. Indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas as they advanced simply to cause terror. Transport of prisoners in overcrowded ships, where prisoners were locked in holds, with no food, little water and no fresh air whilst being transported through tropical destinations to slave labour roles in Japan. Deliberate sinking of a correctly marked and lit hospital ship off Brisbane. Ahhh I could go on but I get depressed, Cannibalism of Australian soldiers in Kokoda. Stay tuned for Scottys defence of cannibalism
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got a few more pages out of it at least
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:highkick05 wrote:ASIAN cultures are the worst.
WOW! 4 billion people summed up in a part sentence. 442 delivers once again. Pretty sure Highkick is Filipino lol. -PB if he is god help me. Makes us filos look bad:lol: its not like he's the first
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Scott McIntyre as a professional should have known the timing was beyond poor and to use twitter were being able to explain context is near impossible was foolish in the extreme .. tis hard to fathom how he would make such a call in the manner he did... he got what he deserved ...
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u4486662 wrote:SWandP wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:Langan wrote: There would be very few Westerners who would even know the names of more than 3 Japanese war crimes. Hell I would be impressed if anyone could name 3 off the top of their head without help. Sandakan, POW ships, Changi Singapore massacres I meant, Batam. That's 4. Do I get a skippy badge? Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 27/4/2015 09:50:35 AM Just a few more. This list is just a small sample: Testing of chemical and biological weapons on civilians in Manchuria. Wholesale kidnapping and exporting Korean women to prostitution "comfort centres' throughout the Empire. Execution of Allied airmen routinely upon capture. The use of civilians as training aids to "blood" new soldiers. Locals in occupied areas were simply taken and tied to poles and used for bayonet practice to teach novices how to kill. This was widespread in China. Rape, murder and mutilation of the native peoples of Milne Bay. Cutting the breasts off native women was commonly reported. Murder of two Catholic Nuns near Kokoda by cutting their throats. Killing of a priest out of hand after he tended some wounded. Slave labour of Pacific Islanders to suport the landings along the New Guinea coast. Executed and beaten regularly. Murder of an 11 year old boy at Rabaul (along with his mother and father) for suspicion they may have had a hidden radio. Murder by bayonet (in pairs) of Australian Soldiers after they surrendered on New Britain. Murder of Australian Soldiers by drowning through caging in cane baskets left in the tidal zone in Dutch East Indies. Murder and torture of Australian wounded in Malaya by throwing them into a hole (caused by a failed attempt to blow a bridge), pouring petrol upon them and then burning them alive. Their ashes were used as fill. Murder of Australian wounded by bayonet and the machine gunning of their attendant nurses after capture. (Read story of Vivian Bullwinkel). Beating prisoners of war with wooden clubs for the crime of catching cholera. (Diary of Weary Dunlop). Systematic starvation by refusing to provide rations for sick POWs. No work, no rations. Over .25 million Chinese killed on the Burma railroad - starved, beaten and diseased. The Bataan death march. The ordering of the civil population of commit suicide instead of surrendering and the impressing of 1500 school children to bear arms against the Allied landing at Okinawa. Indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas as they advanced simply to cause terror. Transport of prisoners in overcrowded ships, where prisoners were locked in holds, with no food, little water and no fresh air whilst being transported through tropical destinations to slave labour roles in Japan. Deliberate sinking of a correctly marked and lit hospital ship off Brisbane. Ahhh I could go on but I get depressed, Cannibalism of Australian soldiers in Kokoda. I thought it was too their own??
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not saying I agree or disagree with what he said, however if he wanted to make a point this was the best way to do it Edited by ricecrackers: 27/4/2015 01:48:59 PM
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BrisbaneBhoy wrote:u4486662 wrote:SWandP wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:Langan wrote: There would be very few Westerners who would even know the names of more than 3 Japanese war crimes. Hell I would be impressed if anyone could name 3 off the top of their head without help. Sandakan, POW ships, Changi Singapore massacres I meant, Batam. That's 4. Do I get a skippy badge? Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 27/4/2015 09:50:35 AM Just a few more. This list is just a small sample: Testing of chemical and biological weapons on civilians in Manchuria. Wholesale kidnapping and exporting Korean women to prostitution "comfort centres' throughout the Empire. Execution of Allied airmen routinely upon capture. The use of civilians as training aids to "blood" new soldiers. Locals in occupied areas were simply taken and tied to poles and used for bayonet practice to teach novices how to kill. This was widespread in China. Rape, murder and mutilation of the native peoples of Milne Bay. Cutting the breasts off native women was commonly reported. Murder of two Catholic Nuns near Kokoda by cutting their throats. Killing of a priest out of hand after he tended some wounded. Slave labour of Pacific Islanders to suport the landings along the New Guinea coast. Executed and beaten regularly. Murder of an 11 year old boy at Rabaul (along with his mother and father) for suspicion they may have had a hidden radio. Murder by bayonet (in pairs) of Australian Soldiers after they surrendered on New Britain. Murder of Australian Soldiers by drowning through caging in cane baskets left in the tidal zone in Dutch East Indies. Murder and torture of Australian wounded in Malaya by throwing them into a hole (caused by a failed attempt to blow a bridge), pouring petrol upon them and then burning them alive. Their ashes were used as fill. Murder of Australian wounded by bayonet and the machine gunning of their attendant nurses after capture. (Read story of Vivian Bullwinkel). Beating prisoners of war with wooden clubs for the crime of catching cholera. (Diary of Weary Dunlop). Systematic starvation by refusing to provide rations for sick POWs. No work, no rations. Over .25 million Chinese killed on the Burma railroad - starved, beaten and diseased. The Bataan death march. The ordering of the civil population of commit suicide instead of surrendering and the impressing of 1500 school children to bear arms against the Allied landing at Okinawa. Indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas as they advanced simply to cause terror. Transport of prisoners in overcrowded ships, where prisoners were locked in holds, with no food, little water and no fresh air whilst being transported through tropical destinations to slave labour roles in Japan. Deliberate sinking of a correctly marked and lit hospital ship off Brisbane. Ahhh I could go on but I get depressed, Cannibalism of Australian soldiers in Kokoda. I thought it was too their own?? As in they ate their own soldiers? They may well have, but they definitely ate Australian soldiers too. Its likely this was at least partly motivated by the fact they were starving, although I've also read other reports that say they had plenty of food.
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Think about the concept of urban space in Australia, its prodominantly occupied not by White Australia
Case in point, lets go on a day trip to Eastern Avenue down Sydney University, one of Australia's most crowded places
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Condemned666 wrote:What's wrong? White Australia unable to handle a few truth bombs?
Just go out there to the accessible areas of the city of Sydney
White Australia doesn't want to be seen there, yet they hold the dominant voice I don't mind truthbombs and I don't mind people questioning what ANZAC day has become or our part in wars, but the tweets were pretty nonsensical. Look at them individually and point out where the truth lies. The mostly white, binge drinking gamblers is about the only one that really hits home - hell, I am one of them. I find it kind of amusing that someone who wants to downplay the story of Anzacs would then imply so arrogantly that we had any part in Hiroshima or Nagasaki; as far as any history I've been taught, these were decisions far removed from Australia's sphere of influence. He can defend such a comment with the fact that he added "Allies" but he's clearly trying to make a ridiculous link.
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Shatter wrote:Condemned666 wrote:What's wrong? White Australia unable to handle a few truth bombs?
Just go out there to the accessible areas of the city of Sydney
White Australia doesn't want to be seen there, yet they hold the dominant voice I don't mind truthbombs and I don't mind people questioning what ANZAC day has become or our part in wars, but the tweets were pretty nonsensical. Look at them individually and point out where the truth lies. The mostly white, binge drinking gamblers is about the only one that really hits home - hell, I am one of them. I find it kind of amusing that someone who wants to downplay the story of Anzacs would then imply so arrogantly that we had any part in Hiroshima or Nagasaki; as far as any history I've been taught, these were decisions far removed from Australia's sphere of influence. He can defend such a comment with the fact that he added "Allies" but he's clearly trying to make a ridiculous link. The thing is, it takes something like Anzac day for the White Australians to come out, especially in the urban spaces (like Sydney), but for the most of the year, they are nowhere to be seen, as these urban spaces are taken up by the Asians and Indians, which is an inconvenient truth to Australia's multiculturalism, in that it is multicultural, WITHOUT the White Australian culture - which ironically is seen to be the dominant culture, when they are nowhere to be seen, (ie theyre the ones that drive cars and live out there in the Suburbs), whereas the cosmopolitans take bus and trains, and live next to bus stops/ train stations Think about it - the Cronulla riots, a gathering of all the dickheads (who happened to be white, looking for a fight), or even the Reclaim Australia rally is what we've been accustomed to associating with Australia's white culture, or go to watch an AFL game, V8 Supercars, or Rugby League game. Theres just this - "I'll be here in this corner, and you can be there instead" mentality The concept of 'this is what we fought for' on Anzac day fades with all this cosmopolitanism. When the majority is nonplussed / ambivalent about the whole concept of anzac day, and the only thing they complain about is how they didnt get an extra day off for a public holiday.
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ricecrackers wrote:calciopoli wrote:lukerobinho wrote:A genuine fuckwit finally exposed for his underlying hate of Australia congratulations you win the prize of the most cretinous post ever on this site. And you were up against very stiff opposition. I hope you proudly wear your 'I'm an ignorant tosser t shirt' Try thinking for yourself instead of parroting murdoch and the liberal party's jingoistic crap. truly pathetic. Edited by calciopoli: 27/4/2015 12:17:00 PM dont make it about Liberal or Labor. they're both equally fucked up as one another. Incorrect. This whole 'unaustrayan'/doesnt love austraya horseshit was a product of john Howards government. (Gleefully continued by T Rabid) It was a part of his culture wars at the ABC etc. in an attempt to stifle any objective criticism of his often draconian policies and it has partially succeeded in dumbing down political and societal discourse going by the drivel on display here.
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Oh, and this->
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calciopoli wrote:ricecrackers wrote:calciopoli wrote:lukerobinho wrote:A genuine fuckwit finally exposed for his underlying hate of Australia congratulations you win the prize of the most cretinous post ever on this site. And you were up against very stiff opposition. I hope you proudly wear your 'I'm an ignorant tosser t shirt' Try thinking for yourself instead of parroting murdoch and the liberal party's jingoistic crap. truly pathetic. Edited by calciopoli: 27/4/2015 12:17:00 PM dont make it about Liberal or Labor. they're both equally fucked up as one another. Incorrect. This whole 'unaustrayan'/doesnt love austraya horseshit was a product of john Howards government. (Gleefully continued by T Rabid) It was a part of his culture wars at the ABC etc. in an attempt to stifle any objective criticism of his often draconian policies and it has partially succeeded in dumbing down political and societal discourse going by the drivel on display here.  you can sit down now
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ricecrackers wrote:calciopoli wrote:ricecrackers wrote:calciopoli wrote:lukerobinho wrote:A genuine fuckwit finally exposed for his underlying hate of Australia congratulations you win the prize of the most cretinous post ever on this site. And you were up against very stiff opposition. I hope you proudly wear your 'I'm an ignorant tosser t shirt' Try thinking for yourself instead of parroting murdoch and the liberal party's jingoistic crap. truly pathetic. Edited by calciopoli: 27/4/2015 12:17:00 PM dont make it about Liberal or Labor. they're both equally fucked up as one another. Incorrect. This whole 'unaustrayan'/doesnt love austraya horseshit was a product of john Howards government. (Gleefully continued by T Rabid) It was a part of his culture wars at the ABC etc. in an attempt to stifle any objective criticism of his often draconian policies and it has partially succeeded in dumbing down political and societal discourse going by the drivel on display here.  you can sit down now They're both fucked just not equally.
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Can I just say I am really enjoying the depth of thought on display in the Anzac day threads. I was almost sure most of those questioning aspects of Anzac day would be howled down in a hail of "it's UnAustralian, how dare you!!!!). There has been a little bit of that (and you know who you are) but there's been heaps of others that have put their 2 cents in that have been well articulated and worth a read. My estimation of some of the posters here has gone up quite a lot over the last few days. And then there's highkick.
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ricecrackers wrote:calciopoli wrote:ricecrackers wrote:calciopoli wrote:lukerobinho wrote:A genuine fuckwit finally exposed for his underlying hate of Australia congratulations you win the prize of the most cretinous post ever on this site. And you were up against very stiff opposition. I hope you proudly wear your 'I'm an ignorant tosser t shirt' Try thinking for yourself instead of parroting murdoch and the liberal party's jingoistic crap. truly pathetic. Edited by calciopoli: 27/4/2015 12:17:00 PM dont make it about Liberal or Labor. they're both equally fucked up as one another. Incorrect. This whole 'unaustrayan'/doesnt love austraya horseshit was a product of john Howards government. (Gleefully continued by T Rabid) It was a part of his culture wars at the ABC etc. in an attempt to stifle any objective criticism of his often draconian policies and it has partially succeeded in dumbing down political and societal discourse going by the drivel on display here.  I you can sit down now Fark she looks daft. You miss the point, being a Muppet and gallivanting around in war zones all dressed up is ridiculous, but it is not the same thing as as seeking to label those who criticise Australia or government policy as unpatriotic. ](*,)
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Munrubenmuz wrote:Can I just say I am really enjoying the depth of thought on display in the Anzac day threads.
I was almost sure most of those questioning aspects of Anzac day would be howled down in a hail of "it's UnAustralian, how dare you!!!!).
There has been a little bit of that (and you know who you are) but there's been heaps of others that have put their 2 cents in that have been well articulated and worth a read.
My estimation of some of the posters here has gone up quite a lot over the last few days.
And then there's highkick. Poor highkick. Leave him alone. ;)
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calciopoli wrote:ricecrackers wrote:calciopoli wrote:ricecrackers wrote:calciopoli wrote:lukerobinho wrote:A genuine fuckwit finally exposed for his underlying hate of Australia congratulations you win the prize of the most cretinous post ever on this site. And you were up against very stiff opposition. I hope you proudly wear your 'I'm an ignorant tosser t shirt' Try thinking for yourself instead of parroting murdoch and the liberal party's jingoistic crap. truly pathetic. Edited by calciopoli: 27/4/2015 12:17:00 PM dont make it about Liberal or Labor. they're both equally fucked up as one another. Incorrect. This whole 'unaustrayan'/doesnt love austraya horseshit was a product of john Howards government. (Gleefully continued by T Rabid) It was a part of his culture wars at the ABC etc. in an attempt to stifle any objective criticism of his often draconian policies and it has partially succeeded in dumbing down political and societal discourse going by the drivel on display here.  I you can sit down now Fark she looks daft. You miss the point, being a Muppet and gallivanting around in war zones all dressed up is ridiculous, but it is not the same thing as as seeking to label those who criticise Australia or government policy as unpatriotic. ](*,) which party would you suggest Michael Ebeid supports?
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Is there a more un patriotic nation than Australia?
I mean we're a fairly young nation and being an island we've been lucky in that we've been relatively untouched by war, have never had to fight for our independence, and we've lived off the teet of England and then the US for a very long time. We lack a real national identity and the few things that one generally associates with this identity are dismissed as bogan or in the case of the "ANZAC Spirit" critiqued by the social media intelligentsia.
It just seems there's such an elitist element that makes their voices heard on social media around any Australia Day or ANZAC Day that like to think you've got to have a southern cross tattoo and a drinking problem to call yourself a patriot, but honestly what do we have to be ashamed of for being proud of your country? Obviously there have been plenty of negatives in our nations history but that's a universal problem, there have also been a lot of good things over the years that we have to be thankful for, I just don't see the point in living in the mistakes of the past at the expense of enjoying the present.
I just think that for all the fuss that gets made about how much we carry on about our 'significant moments' like Gallipoli, not enough is made about how critical we are of ourselves as well. I'd hate to see how fucking pessimistic our society would be if we actually had a rap sheet of injustices as big as a nation like Germany or the US, we'd never hear the end of it, but if they can pick themselves and be proud of their heritage it's an absolute travesty that so many Australian's are unable to do so.
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funny how this thread got moved twice
its caused a stir with 442 mods too :)
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McIntyre was strange, constantly talking about how Australia insults Asia whilst failing to balance his arguments. His viewpoint was not one from Asia but simply a bitter and uninformed indiviual.
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this thread is red hot :lol:
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As what the iron lady once said: "there is no such thing as a country"
Nationalists looking to cling onto an identity based on wartime commemoration are barking up the wrong tree
Theres no thought of Anzac day the other 364 days a year in the concept of fighting for 'our way of living', yet this message gets reinforced every year even though the veterans are long gone
Although thats what history is, holding on to stuff in the past, for as long as we remember it, its human nature
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ricecrackers wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:highkick05 wrote:ASIAN cultures are the worst.
WOW! 4 billion people summed up in a part sentence. 442 delivers once again. Pretty sure Highkick is Filipino lol. -PB if he is god help me. Makes us filos look bad:lol: its not like he's the first ah touché
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Fredsta wrote:Is there a more un patriotic nation than Australia?
I mean we're a fairly young nation and being an island we've been lucky in that we've been relatively untouched by war, have never had to fight for our independence, and we've lived off the teet of England and then the US for a very long time. We lack a real national identity and the few things that one generally associates with this identity are dismissed as bogan or in the case of the "ANZAC Spirit" critiqued by the social media intelligentsia.
It just seems there's such an elitist element that makes their voices heard on social media around any Australia Day or ANZAC Day that like to think you've got to have a southern cross tattoo and a drinking problem to call yourself a patriot, but honestly what do we have to be ashamed of for being proud of your country? Obviously there have been plenty of negatives in our nations history but that's a universal problem, there have also been a lot of good things over the years that we have to be thankful for, I just don't see the point in living in the mistakes of the past at the expense of enjoying the present.
I just think that for all the fuss that gets made about how much we carry on about our 'significant moments' like Gallipoli, not enough is made about how critical we are of ourselves as well. I'd hate to see how fucking pessimistic our society would be if we actually had a rap sheet of injustices as big as a nation like Germany or the US, we'd never hear the end of it, but if they can pick themselves and be proud of their heritage it's an absolute travesty that so many Australian's are unable to do so. it helps been far away from everything. as for the southern cross tattoo i genuinely think people woukd think twice about getting one out of fear for being classed a bogan. 10 years ago i remember people being proud as punch for getting one and would show it off at every turn....not so much now though. Edited by Socawho: 27/4/2015 07:27:35 PM
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Fredsta wrote:Is there a more un patriotic nation than Australia?
I mean we're a fairly young nation and being an island we've been lucky in that we've been relatively untouched by war, have never had to fight for our independence, and we've lived off the teet of England and then the US for a very long time. We lack a real national identity and the few things that one generally associates with this identity are dismissed as bogan or in the case of the "ANZAC Spirit" critiqued by the social media intelligentsia.
It just seems there's such an elitist element that makes their voices heard on social media around any Australia Day or ANZAC Day that like to think you've got to have a southern cross tattoo and a drinking problem to call yourself a patriot, but honestly what do we have to be ashamed of for being proud of your country? Obviously there have been plenty of negatives in our nations history but that's a universal problem, there have also been a lot of good things over the years that we have to be thankful for, I just don't see the point in living in the mistakes of the past at the expense of enjoying the present.
I just think that for all the fuss that gets made about how much we carry on about our 'significant moments' like Gallipoli, not enough is made about how critical we are of ourselves as well. I'd hate to see how fucking pessimistic our society would be if we actually had a rap sheet of injustices as big as a nation like Germany or the US, we'd never hear the end of it, but if they can pick themselves and be proud of their heritage it's an absolute travesty that so many Australian's are unable to do so. Unlike some here I am proud of the fact that some Australians aren't so blinded by the lottery of birth that they are willing to look critically at the country we inhabit. I'd say it's the mark of a mature person and a nation to be introspective.
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Munrubenmuz wrote:Fredsta wrote:Is there a more un patriotic nation than Australia?
I mean we're a fairly young nation and being an island we've been lucky in that we've been relatively untouched by war, have never had to fight for our independence, and we've lived off the teet of England and then the US for a very long time. We lack a real national identity and the few things that one generally associates with this identity are dismissed as bogan or in the case of the "ANZAC Spirit" critiqued by the social media intelligentsia.
It just seems there's such an elitist element that makes their voices heard on social media around any Australia Day or ANZAC Day that like to think you've got to have a southern cross tattoo and a drinking problem to call yourself a patriot, but honestly what do we have to be ashamed of for being proud of your country? Obviously there have been plenty of negatives in our nations history but that's a universal problem, there have also been a lot of good things over the years that we have to be thankful for, I just don't see the point in living in the mistakes of the past at the expense of enjoying the present.
I just think that for all the fuss that gets made about how much we carry on about our 'significant moments' like Gallipoli, not enough is made about how critical we are of ourselves as well. I'd hate to see how fucking pessimistic our society would be if we actually had a rap sheet of injustices as big as a nation like Germany or the US, we'd never hear the end of it, but if they can pick themselves and be proud of their heritage it's an absolute travesty that so many Australian's are unable to do so. Unlike some here I am proud of the fact that some Australians aren't so blinded by the lottery of birth that they are willing to look critically at the country we inhabit. I'd say it's the mark of a mature person and a nation to be introspective. insulting the dead on a day for remembering isnt mature but just plain stupid. theres nothing wrong to debate the issues he has raised but hes made more enemies due to the timing regardless of whether he is right or wrong. what he did was similar to crashing someones funeral, you just dont do shit like that...for a start its disrespectful and secondly hes shown to everyone he lacks any common semse. so if you think thats mature then you need some etiquette lessons son. Edited by Socawho: 27/4/2015 08:56:42 PM
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