UKIP has one seat...but they finished 2nd in 86 seats....the success of radical parties like UKIP, and SNP is just more of the trend we seeing Europe, Europe is becoming more radical on the left and right

Edited by adrtho: 8/5/2015 09:19:11 PM

Ricecrackers deserves much more credit than what you guys give him.

personally, i think the raise of SNP (winning almost every seat in Scotland) will see England massively move towards the Conservatives,

Will the success of the SNP lead to another Scottish referendum?

I saw this and thought 'oh you silly guys, you should have waited and then pushed for your referendum' but then again, is their anything to stop them from having another referendum in the next few years?

Labour shouldn't have campaigned against Scottish independence last year. I'm guessing they must have alienated a lot of Scottish voters. They could have used that issue to to really separate themselves from the Conservatives in a way which would have garnered a lot of support in Scottish quarters. So many of the Scots loathe the Tories. It surely would have been very expedient for them to appeal to those sentiments (by not alienating Scottish voters as a result of support the campaign against Scottish independence).

Truth be told, I thought it was in poor taste for any non-Scottish politician to campaign against Scottish independence. Let them decide for themselves. I say that as somebody who doesn't know whether or not it was in Scotland's best interests to stay in the UK. And I heard tell that the BBC manipulated footage to portray the ant-Independence campaign in a better light. Not sure if that's true or not.

What impact will the Tory victory have on the prospect of an EU referendum?

I'm given to understand such a thing would be fool-hardy because the UK stands to lose far more than it would gain if they left the EU. It would be a different story if they had never joined the EU in the first place (like say Norway). But leaving now that they've joined would have negative economic consequences.

You gotta hand it to Lynton Crosby.

The guy's a genius. However much one may or may not hate John Howard, Crosby masterminded his election campaigns. Now he has used his wedge-politics to return David Cameron with ease.

If Labour had campaigned for Scottish independence, then there be a independent Scotland, and Labour would now be even more dead in England

If WA wanted to become independent from Australia, you believe the Australia PM or other Australian's shouldn't campaign? ...

their will be EU referendum in UK...Cameron will use this EU referendum in UK, to try and move EU on many laws, and them Cameron will go back to UK people before EU referendum, and say we (UK) have got what we want, and the UK should stay in EU

EU referendum in UK will be very close call...The Scot will vote to stay in EU, but there only 5 million of them..UKIP got a lot of votes in Labour zones , i think UK could vote out of EU

EU is really fuck, they have no growth for 8 years , they missed (fucked up) what should have been a great advantages 10 years ago, when 200 million cheap educated workers from Eastern Europe came on line...

4 million votes and 1 seat, yay democracy.

Thank f*ck for that - proportional representation is a nightmare that gives voice to the lunatic minority.

Scotland, Wales and (maybe) NI want to stay and are calling for a required majority in each nation for the UK to leave.

If England tries to force the UK out of the EU then Scotland will immediately demand another independence referendum and likely win. The Tories might have the overall majority but they have no mandate in Scotland and the electorate are pissed off at Westminster at the lack of action following the "No" vote.

It depends. Sturgeon has said that as things stand, there is no short term prospect for another referendum as it would likely be the same result. If a EU exit looks likely or a refusal to grant devo-max as promised happens then there certainly will be.

Scottish Voters were already disillusioned following Blair, Gordon and their New Labour shitefest, as the party shifted further to the right but they continued to vote for them as their was no real alternative and anything was better than the tories. But Labour campaigning alongside the Tories for the no campaign has backfired spectacularly.

They've been labelled as "Red Tories" for this perceived betrayal along with their continued backing of Austerity and the Trident program and are now perceived as simply an extension of an unpopular westminster (and English) establishment.

or the intelligentsia minority

but you seem to be one who believes the great unwashed is always right

its not a very progressive view

in the current format you get to be manipulated by those more intelligent than you, rather than give those other intelligent members of the public with good intentions a voice

God forbid that the voting patterns of the public are reflected in parliament eh?

But hey, if your happy with the labor/Tory - democrat/republican - labor/Liberal dichotomy that has worked so well the last few years good for you.

I don't support UKIP in anyway but it is a major flaw in the Westminster system. The makeup of Parliament should reflect what people vote for and give parties like the Greens and UKIP more of a say if that's what the electorate want.

The SNP are actually campaigning for a system like this even though it would certainly lessen their effect in westminster. Personally I don't mind as long as Scotland gets full fiscal autonomy as promised by the three major parties.

Edited by melbourne_terrace: 9/5/2015 11:03:14 PM

the problem for Scotland. is they have this general belief (push by SNP) Scotland will gain automatic acceptance into the EU, the fact is a independent Scotland (after last referendum) would have seen there application to join EU veto by number of countries. Spain 100%...Scotland independent would just open a can of worms for every big country in the EU, all the unique regional zones with in the Big EU countries , would believe they have a chance of independent country with in the big framework of the EU

Now, if Scotland has some how manged to get over this giant veto hurdle, The Scotland would had zero negotiation power with the EU, Scotland would have to accept virtually everything EU wants, Fast track Schengen zone acceptance, and economic policies that lead to Euro doller...Schengen zone acceptance, would mean a Scottish English passport border , EU would not let Scotland do the same as Ireland

Now, if Uk votes out of EU, then it might be easier for Scotland to join the EU, but you will still end up with a passport boarder

if countries like Australia and USA sign free trade agreements with the EU, and all the other free trade agreements Australia and USA sign with other countries , then one of UK major benefits of being part of a EU ( trade block) disappears

The UK has seen Australia, and Canada consistently grown their economies at very fast rate, and sign free trade agreements all around the world

The UK wants to take back control from EU on many things

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Meanwhile riots have just broken out in London and the BBC arent even covering it.
That's what happens when you set false expectations.

look at the masked hooded ones, you know they're up to no good

more coverage on social media than actual accredited media



Edited by ricecrackers: 10/5/2015 12:00:06 PM

Currently 2nd story on the UK page after post election Ministerial position reshuffles.

nothing on the television

eventually they'll be forced to cover it, but why so late to the game

You're welcome to join us in the 21st century any time.

These are fair points, in fact they are all criticisms I had of the "Yes" Campaigns White paper. I'd rather see Scotland adopt the Euro, despite its flaws, as keeping the pound whilst England sets monetary policy is ridiculous and the EU won't take no for an answer. As for the schengen zone vs common travel area, it was never made clear but it would be a tough sell either way. I think that in order to keep a somewhat good relationship with the UK, there would be an avenue to keep the status quote. Isolating communities benefits no one.

And yes, the Spanish government are losing their mind trying to shut down independence campaigns from the Basque and Catelonians. Maybe they could come to an agreement where Scotland publicly supports the return of Gibraltar to Spain.theres always possibilities

Are you watching live? If it's on the site surely it's seconds away from having a story filed on TV. It's surely on the ticker.

Looks pretty small tbh.

Are you there? How could you possibly know that?

How could you know it's not?

-PB

Its ricecrackers . he knows everything

I've made no definitive statement about the size of the riots.