ricecrackers
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melbourne_terrace wrote:ricecrackers wrote:no he wouldnt
man has to learn these lessons himself Which makes this god a kunt then. Nothing stopping this all seeing, all powerful, omnipotent and supposedly "Loving" sky daddy from clicking his heels and making people less shit to each other. no you're mistaking god for the government the government think they can enact laws and that will change the will of man it may change their behavior but wont change the will
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TrueAnglo
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For some reason the abc absolutely love stories that slate the church
Would they be this enthusiastic over Islamic child grooming ?
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ricecrackers
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TrueAnglo wrote:For some reason the abc absolutely love stories that slate the church
Would they be this enthusiastic over Islamic child grooming ? the question is rhetorical
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u4486662
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Can't believe people still believe in god. smh. How embarrassing.
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paladisious
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TrueAnglo wrote:For some reason the abc absolutely love stories that slate the church
Would they be this enthusiastic over Islamic child grooming ? 
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Eastern Glory
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marconi101 wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:marconi101 wrote:ricecrackers wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Single worst person in human history is s big call? But yeah... George Pell is shit.
He's also a terrible debater, I'm not a Christian, but I just remember thinking that I could have done better than him in his debate with Dorkins. dont worry, Catholics arent Christians either “In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross.” - Friedrich "Fedora-Lord" Nietzsche The fact that this happens is proof enough that a) God doesn't exist or, b) he doesn't give a shit (or you could be a gnostic and believe that the Christian god is actually a demiurgic, negative entity) LooooooooL What a shocking quote.... Jesus was Jewish... It's not really evidence of any of those three actually. And you think Nietzsche didn't know that? If God really existed or gave a shit he would stop men living in his name from raping people Of course he knew it, but saying that he was the only Christian is just so, so stupid. He was supposedly the perfect Jew... It makes no sense at all to call him a Christian. Well, in your opinion.... However, the NT is pretty clear about God's justice being done through death....
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marconi101
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Eastern Glory wrote:Of course he knew it, but saying that he was the only Christian is just so, so stupid. He was supposedly the perfect Jew... It makes no sense at all to call him a Christian.
Well, in your opinion.... However, the NT is pretty clear about God's justice being done through death....
Of course Nietzsche didn't think he was actually the only Christian (there's clearly millions of them), the meaning behind the quotation is to imply that he was the only one who acted like a real Christian as that was an argument in his book The Antichrist, amongst others. (I don't agree with that particular argument at all, MLK comes to mind) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Antichrist_(book) I don't see how calling Christ a Christian is nonsensical. If anything he is the archetypal Christian, which we as fallen humans can strive to be like. Plz tell me more on the NT's views Edited by marconi101: 23/5/2015 12:21:09 PM
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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Eastern Glory
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marconi101 wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Of course he knew it, but saying that he was the only Christian is just so, so stupid. He was supposedly the perfect Jew... It makes no sense at all to call him a Christian.
Well, in your opinion.... However, the NT is pretty clear about God's justice being done through death....
Of course Nietzsche didn't think he was actually the only Christian (there's clearly millions of them), the meaning behind the quotation is to imply that he was the only one who acted like a real Christian as that was an argument in his book The Antichrist, amongst others. (I don't agree with that particular argument at all, MLK comes to mind) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Antichrist_(book) I don't see how calling Christ a Christian is nonsensical. If anything he is the archetypal Christian, which we as fallen humans can strive to be like. Plz tell me more on the NT's views Edited by marconi101: 23/5/2015 12:21:09 PM Well that's really one of the key points isn't it? Fallen humans are called to be like him. I do see what you're saying, but it's grinds with me for some reason. I'm sure a little more context would fix the issue. :lol: it just doesn't make sense for an incredibly limited human to try and place parameters on an unlimited God. Yes, from a human perspective, the Christian God is a cunt, but that's not evidence That he doesn't exist. That arguement is worse than Christians saying that life proves there is a creator.
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absent
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TrueAnglo wrote:For some reason the abc absolutely love stories that slate the church
Would they be this enthusiastic over Islamic child grooming ? For some reason The Daily Telegraph absolutely love burying stories that slate the church. In Thursday's edition, I could only find a brief column delivering this story without headline or pictures on page 5 (that then linked to an Andrew Bolt story on page 13) wedged onto a virtually full page ad that featured 3x Jenny Hawkins in a swimsuit. Would they be this enthusiastic over Islamic child grooming ? edit: Oh and for the record, this Pell story was the abc.net.au/news top story on Wednesday, can you guess what was literally the top story on Thursday? Spoiler alert: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-22/police-dismiss-claims-canberra-teen-targeted-by-is-recruiters/6488992 Edited by absent_doz_2259: 23/5/2015 01:04:29 PM
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Who says God is unlimited and who says humans are limited? Humanity has invented profound things such as medicine, technology, literature, etc without the aid of a deity. We can attempt to study the very beginnings of the universe and travel to space ffs. If he is so unlimited and therefore wise/perfect why can't he stop small things (relative to his omniscience) such as child rape, religious wars and child trafficking? Or does he do it in secret like Batman?
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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Eastern Glory
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marconi101 wrote:Who says God is unlimited and who says humans are limited? Humanity has invented profound things such as medicine, technology, literature, etc without the aid of a deity. We can attempt to study the very beginnings of the universe and travel to space ffs.
If he is so unlimited and therefore wise/perfect why can't he stop small things (relative to his omniscience) such as child rape, religious wars and child trafficking? Or does he do it in secret like Batman? Very true. But humanity has limitations, that's undeniable surely? I've already said he biblical justice is in death and post death. The other point is that all sin is seen as equal is the sight of the Christian God, and I for one am glad that he doesn't smite me where I stand every time I lie, get drunk or have pre-marital sex.
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We have biological limitations (death, injury, etc) but as a species we can achieve anything, unfortunately most incredible things take longer than a lifetime to evolve into fruition. God may well serve justice 'post-death' but that's unknown to us. We can't comprehend what happens after death, so why can't justice be served in the temporal world where we can see criminals being punished divinely, thus bringing closure to the victims/families and stopping all this debate? It all seems conveniently mysterious. Forgive me if I'm harping on, in the middle of essays on the same subjects and I know very few people who openly talk about this kind of stuff (why I don't know, they're great convos IMO)
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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paladisious
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Absent_doz_2259 wrote:TrueAnglo wrote:For some reason the abc absolutely love stories that slate the church
Would they be this enthusiastic over Islamic child grooming ? For some reason The Daily Telegraph absolutely love burying stories that slate the church. In Thursday's edition, I could only find a brief column delivering this story without headline or pictures on page 5 (that then linked to an Andrew Bolt story on page 13) wedged onto a virtually full page ad that featured 3x Jenny Hawkins in a swimsuit. Would they be this enthusiastic over Islamic child grooming ? edit: Oh and for the record, this Pell story was the abc.net.au/news top story on Wednesday, can you guess what was literally the top story on Thursday? Spoiler alert: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-22/police-dismiss-claims-canberra-teen-targeted-by-is-recruiters/6488992 A moment of silence for the rekt.
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Eastern Glory
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marconi101 wrote:We have biological limitations (death, injury, etc) but as a species we can achieve anything, unfortunately most incredible things take longer than a lifetime to evolve into fruition.
God may well serve justice 'post-death' but that's unknown to us. We can't comprehend what happens after death, so why can't justice be served in the temporal world where we can see criminals being punished divinely, thus bringing closure to the victims/families and stopping all this debate? It all seems conveniently mysterious.
Forgive me if I'm harping on, in the middle of essays on the same subjects and I know very few people who openly talk about this kind of stuff (why I don't know, they're great convos IMO)
I enjoy it too. Especially when people can keep a cool head, which is rare. Was raised in an evangelical family, so I know all the shiz and even did theological courses and study in my teens. But then I turned 17 and discovered beer and boobies. I suppose in terms of justice, The idea is that God leaves the crimes against men to the justice of men and the crimes against God to his own justice. What freedom is there in an interventionalist God?
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u4486662
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Eastern Glory wrote:marconi101 wrote:We have biological limitations (death, injury, etc) but as a species we can achieve anything, unfortunately most incredible things take longer than a lifetime to evolve into fruition.
God may well serve justice 'post-death' but that's unknown to us. We can't comprehend what happens after death, so why can't justice be served in the temporal world where we can see criminals being punished divinely, thus bringing closure to the victims/families and stopping all this debate? It all seems conveniently mysterious.
Forgive me if I'm harping on, in the middle of essays on the same subjects and I know very few people who openly talk about this kind of stuff (why I don't know, they're great convos IMO)
I enjoy it too. Especially when people can keep a cool head, which is rare. Was raised in an evangelical family, so I know all the shiz and even did theological courses and study in my teens. But then I turned 17 and discovered beer and boobies.I suppose in terms of justice, The idea is that God leaves the crimes against men to the justice of men and the crimes against God to his own justice. What freedom is there in an interventionalist God? Is that you, Brian McGee? [youtube]BA7p5VwAXk0[/youtube]
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