UK EU Referendum = UK --> OUT


UK EU Referendum = UK --> OUT

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Burztur - 13 Mar 2019 11:07 AM
Another slap in the face for the Neuvo Nu Tories.

FTFY


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Munrubenmuz - 13 Mar 2019 12:21 PM
2 more votes and I'm betting a  3 month extension.


At least a 3 month extension. Maybe 12 if it can be done.

May is in a no win situation really.
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2 more votes and I'm betting a  3 month extension.




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Another slap in the face for the Tories.
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Test_Fan - 28 Jan 2019 6:28 PM
TheSelectFew - 28 Jan 2019 11:07 AM

If by interesting you mean we see a return a violence and bombing in Ireland and maybe England then you would be correct. 

Sure thing cutie. Because London is bereft of knife violence and acid attacks at the moment. Stay beautiful you condescending piece of shit. :)


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TheSelectFew - 28 Jan 2019 11:07 AM
We may also see a united Ireland too. That'd be interesting.

If by interesting you mean we see a return a violence and bombing in Ireland and maybe England then you would be correct. 
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TheSelectFew - 28 Jan 2019 11:07 AM
We may also see a united Ireland too. That'd be interesting.

Would that even be workable? I can't see the Northern Irish Protestants suddenly wanting to unite with the Catholics and be a minority in a unified Ireland.
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We may also see a united Ireland too. That'd be interesting.


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paulbagzFC - 26 Jan 2019 10:54 AM
TheSelectFew - 25 Jan 2019 11:02 PM

Yup, they'll be singing a different tune post Brexit.

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TheSelectFew - 25 Jan 2019 11:02 PM
Kamaryn - 21 Jan 2019 11:19 AM

As soon as this passes Scotland will bail at of the UK to be part of the EU and the United Kingdom won't be so united anymore.

The English are essentially 500 years behind. 

Yup, they'll be singing a different tune post Brexit.

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Kamaryn - 21 Jan 2019 11:19 AM
TheSelectFew - 20 Jan 2019 4:59 PM

Mmhmm. The other big issue has to be restoring your national sovereignty when it comes to the legal system. It's a weird idea that although the highest court in Great Britain might find one way, you can appeal to courts in the EU to overturn it. Effectively, it doesn't allow a country to truly govern itself.

(Interestingly, this was one of the political issues being fought for in the English Reformation 500 years ago - not being able to appeal to Papal Courts over against what was decided in England). 

As soon as this passes Scotland will bail at of the UK to be part of the EU and the United Kingdom won't be so united anymore.

The English are essentially 500 years behind. 


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TheSelectFew - 20 Jan 2019 4:59 PM
Burztur - 20 Jan 2019 2:01 AM

Tbf the one thing that shits me about the debate is that we have all been focusing on what the UK have done wrong and they're idiots blah blah blah but no one has discussed why the UK wanted out in the first place.

The EU has been a dogs breakfast and been it's own worst enemy. Weak borders where other countries had to carry the burden of another countries stupid policy (Merkel 'if you can get here you're one of us' policy), economic collapse of Spain, Italy and Greece effecting stronger economies and making them financial slaves and weak import tax policy.

Of course there are fabulous aspects of the EU but the negatives are in your face, and although nothing that can't be overcome, it effects the everyday person.

The EU is a fantastic idea but until Brussels stops fucking about the whole project could be rendered to an idea .

Mmhmm. The other big issue has to be restoring your national sovereignty when it comes to the legal system. It's a weird idea that although the highest court in Great Britain might find one way, you can appeal to courts in the EU to overturn it. Effectively, it doesn't allow a country to truly govern itself.

(Interestingly, this was one of the political issues being fought for in the English Reformation 500 years ago - not being able to appeal to Papal Courts over against what was decided in England). 

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Test_Fan - 20 Jan 2019 7:06 PM
Burztur - 20 Jan 2019 2:01 AM

David Cameron called the referendum expecting to be defeated very easily, about as bad a judgement call as possible. People did not think it would get up so a lot voted for it as a protest and inadvertently got something they did not really want despite voting for it.

That's true. Democracy in action.
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Burztur - 20 Jan 2019 2:01 AM
TheSelectFew - 19 Jan 2019 11:47 PM

I think Dave Cameron completely misread the sentiment of the public with Brexit. 
It would have been more practical to use the Euro but that was one aspect of the British economy which they wanted to retain (and with the Spanish and Greek economy falling apart, it does make sense to keep certain aspects of the EU separate).

David Cameron called the referendum expecting to be defeated very easily, about as bad a judgement call as possible. People did not think it would get up so a lot voted for it as a protest and inadvertently got something they did not really want despite voting for it.
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Burztur - 20 Jan 2019 2:01 AM
TheSelectFew - 19 Jan 2019 11:47 PM

I think Dave Cameron completely misread the sentiment of the public with Brexit. 
It would have been more practical to use the Euro but that was one aspect of the British economy which they wanted to retain (and with the Spanish and Greek economy falling apart, it does make sense to keep certain aspects of the EU separate).

Tbf the one thing that shits me about the debate is that we have all been focusing on what the UK have done wrong and they're idiots blah blah blah but no one has discussed why the UK wanted out in the first place.

The EU has been a dogs breakfast and been it's own worst enemy. Weak borders where other countries had to carry the burden of another countries stupid policy (Merkel 'if you can get here you're one of us' policy), economic collapse of Spain, Italy and Greece effecting stronger economies and making them financial slaves and weak import tax policy.

Of course there are fabulous aspects of the EU but the negatives are in your face, and although nothing that can't be overcome, it effects the everyday person.

The EU is a fantastic idea but until Brussels stops fucking about the whole project could be rendered to an idea .


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TheSelectFew - 19 Jan 2019 11:47 PM
Imo this absolute arrogance from london started the whole disgraceful events.

The UK should have transitioned completely and used the Euro. Not doing that and displaying their superiority complex with the use of the pound gave Britons an excuse.

I think Dave Cameron completely misread the sentiment of the public with Brexit. 
It would have been more practical to use the Euro but that was one aspect of the British economy which they wanted to retain (and with the Spanish and Greek economy falling apart, it does make sense to keep certain aspects of the EU separate).
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paulbagzFC - 17 Jan 2019 10:39 AM
Either way May will now have to get other cross parties to come to the table with ideas on how to tweak the current deal, as there is no Plan B, nor the time for a Plan B (although they could just pull their intention to leave, nothing stopping them there).

Yup. But right now, they are still debating how May can do this with all the grand standing in between. I think the hard Brexiters are just holding the line hoping it will be too late for May.
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Imo this absolute arrogance from london started the whole disgraceful events.

The UK should have transitioned completely and used the Euro. Not doing that and displaying their superiority complex with the use of the pound gave Britons an excuse.


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Burztur - 17 Jan 2019 8:44 AM
paulbagzFC - 16 Jan 2019 2:21 PM

Her party can't boot her out, so she would have to resign. But she survived the no confidence motion by 19 votes.

I just can't see a way out of it for her. The EU aren't going to negotiate and give the UK more concessions so it might be a 'hard exit' which is what the hardliners want. 

They might, EU will start getting worried about the signs of recession on the horizon, unemployment rising, Germany far right starting murmurs about leaving EU, Netherlands had already talked about it in the past etc.

They would still have some things that they can negotiate on, no way every option has been exhausted, especially now with a historic defeat in the UK Parliament. 

Either way May will now have to get other cross parties to come to the table with ideas on how to tweak the current deal, as there is no Plan B, nor the time for a Plan B (although they could just pull their intention to leave, nothing stopping them there).

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Burztur - 17 Jan 2019 8:45 AM
MvFCArsenal16.8 - 16 Jan 2019 10:16 PM

I don't think people genuinely knew what they were voting for. A few headlines sound great - stop sending money overseas, control our own borders, keep jobs local etc, but how to achieve Brexit and the impact was never seriously discussed/considered.

But it's tricky, can't have a second referendum due to the absolute shit fight it'd cause in terms of not following democratic process etc (which is what's happening right now anyway).

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Burztur - 17 Jan 2019 8:45 AM
MvFCArsenal16.8 - 16 Jan 2019 10:16 PM

I don't think people genuinely knew what they were voting for. A few headlines sound great - stop sending money overseas, control our own borders, keep jobs local etc, but how to achieve Brexit and the impact was never seriously discussed/considered.

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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 16 Jan 2019 10:16 PM
My English co worker voted for brexit  and he even admits the way it's been handled has made a mockery of the uk.  

I don't think people genuinely knew what they were voting for. A few headlines sound great - stop sending money overseas, control our own borders, keep jobs local etc, but how to achieve Brexit and the impact was never seriously discussed/considered.
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paulbagzFC - 16 Jan 2019 2:21 PM
Burztur - 16 Jan 2019 1:04 PM

They can't have her resign (or for her own party to boot her out).

As commentators have been saying, her greatest weakness is currently her greatest strength.

-PB

Her party can't boot her out, so she would have to resign. But she survived the no confidence motion by 19 votes.

I just can't see a way out of it for her. The EU aren't going to negotiate and give the UK more concessions so it might be a 'hard exit' which is what the hardliners want. 
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My English co worker voted for brexit  and he even admits the way it's been handled has made a mockery of the uk.  
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Burztur - 16 Jan 2019 1:04 PM
Depending on the no confidence vote but May should just resign. She did her best to pull together something sensible and no one likes it. I reckon Labour will win the next one and they will opt to stay in the EU but most of the damage has been done since a lot of the banks have relocated their Euro operations to the continent...

They can't have her resign (or for her own party to boot her out).

As commentators have been saying, her greatest weakness is currently her greatest strength.

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Depending on the no confidence vote but May should just resign. She did her best to pull together something sensible and no one likes it. I reckon Labour will win the next one and they will opt to stay in the EU but most of the damage has been done since a lot of the banks have relocated their Euro operations to the continent...
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rexit deal proposed by Theresa May rejected by British Parliament, plunging UK into uncertainty

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British MPs have defeated Prime Minister Theresa May's Brexit divorce deal by a crushing margin, triggering political upheaval that could lead to a disorderly exit from the European Union or even to a reversal of the 2016 decision to leave.

Key points:

  • The crushing vote margin is the biggest defeat in British Parliament since the 1920s
  • Opposition Leader Jeremy Corbyn has tabled a motion of no-confidence in the Government
  • The EU says is stepping up preparations for a no-deal Brexit

MPs voted 432 to 202 to defeat the proposal, the worst parliamentary defeat for a government in recent British history.

Mrs May had called for politicians to back her deal or risk "letting the British people down".

But scores of her own Conservative MPs — both Brexiteers and supporters of EU membership — joined forces to vote down the deal.

The massive defeat, the worst since the 1920s, will mean further turmoil for British politics only 10 weeks before the country is due to leave the EU on March 29.

The result was widely expected but is still devastating for Mrs May, whose fragile leadership is now under siege as her two-year strategy of forging an amicable divorce with the EU collapses.

Immediately after the vote, Opposition Leader Jeremy Corbyn tabled a motion of no confidence in the Government, calling the defeat "catastrophic".

That motion will be debated tomorrow.

But Mrs May reiterated her commitment to seeing through Britain's divorce from the EU, telling Parliament her Government would make a statement about the way forward by Monday.

She urged both sides of Parliament to "listen to the British people, who want this issue settled, and to work with the Government to do just that".

The small Northern Irish DUP party, which props up Mrs May's minority Government and had said it would oppose the deal, said it would still back Mrs May in the no-confidence vote.

EU leaders said the Brexit deal remained the best and only way to ensure an orderly withdrawal from the EU.

However, the bloc's chief executive said the EU would intensify its preparations for a scenario in which Britain leaves the bloc without a withdrawal agreement.

"The risk of a disorderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom has increased with this evening's vote," European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker said in a statement.

"While we do not want this to happen, the European Commission will continue its contingency work to help ensure the EU is fully prepared," he said.

More to come.



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Burztur - 14 Jan 2019 6:03 PM
Yup. Shambles. Feel bad for May to an extent since all the Brexiters who instigated this have abandoned ship leaving her to carry the can. People fail to realise the benefits the EU brings and it’s gonna damage the UK economy.

Funny how garage was pro brexit and yet still claimed  the eu pension as a eu member politican
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Yup. Shambles. Feel bad for May to an extent since all the Brexiters who instigated this have abandoned ship leaving her to carry the can.

People fail to realise the benefits the EU brings and it’s gonna damage the UK economy.
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What a cock up this whole thing has been lol

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