Is the Australian Citizenship Pledge fair?


Is the Australian Citizenship Pledge fair?

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They have a lot of far right groups. And there is an intolerant attitude that does exist. Keeping things football related - Ibrahimovic refers to the social exclusion he faced growing up in Malmo as a Bosnian.
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AzzaMarch wrote:
They have a lot of far right groups. And there is an intolerant attitude that does exist. Keeping things football related - Ibrahimovic refers to the social exclusion he faced growing up in Malmo as a Bosnian.


Sweden is perhaps the most welcoming to foreigners in all the world. Is there some intolerance? Absolutely. But every single society in the world has this and you can't single out Sweden for having the same problem as literally everyone else.

Which far right groups are you referring to?

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Ibrahimovic refers to the social exclusion he faced growing up in Malmo as a Bosnian.


Don't think he'd face any trouble there now :lol:

Edited by 433: 24/7/2015 04:34:37 PM
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As an immigrant who lives in Sweden I disagree.
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I'm not saying Sweden is uniquely racist. I was using Sweden and Germany as examples because those 2 countries were already being referenced. Plus i had read up about the Turks in Germany previously.

My point is that countries with large ghettos and problems with immigrants into the 2nd generation can't just blame the immigrants. There is often an issue with ingrained social and cultural exclusion.

It's just much simpler (but also inaccurate) to just blame the immigrants themselves.

Edited by AzzaMarch: 24/7/2015 06:00:19 PM

Edited by AzzaMarch: 24/7/2015 06:01:01 PM
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It always seems to be the burden of the host country to make everything easier for immigrants.

I always hear people in my industry complain about how Australians make it hard for them to get work and don't give them a fair chance. Coming from people who speak terrible english and you can't understand on the phone. My colleague is Bosnian and had the same issue until he got english lessons and his luck turned around.

It's too easy to call us racist and convenient to ignore that you need to look at what you bring to the table first.

I have no issues with foreigners providing we can communicate effectively. I'm sure most people feel the same.
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AzzaMarch wrote:
I'm not saying Sweden is uniquely racist. I was using Sweden and Germany as examples because those 2 countries were already being referenced. Plus i had read up about the Turks in Germany previously.

My point is that countries with large ghettos and problems with immigrants into the 2nd generation can't just blame the immigrants. There is often an issue with ingrained social and cultural exclusion.

It's just much simpler (but also inaccurate) to just blame the immigrants themselves.

Edited by AzzaMarch: 24/7/2015 06:00:19 PM

Edited by AzzaMarch: 24/7/2015 06:01:01 PM

It must be the Swedes fault for offering them free housing, healthcare and university.
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