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Barca4Life wrote:clivesundies wrote: They wont be happy with that, to many turnovers in middle third, right side not working . Very poor goal to concede against less than average opponent.
Different type of central forward tonight looks to get in behind rather than back to goal.
Should be able to create plenty more chances.
Were they unforced errors? I know the style these lads are playing is quite high risk taking especially when they most of the time they want to play into the tight spaces centrally often resulting turnovers in midfield whilst other times being able to play through them. Those were my ht thoughts and they changed the 2 at ht and more than resolved the problem on the right. The turnovers mostly came from turning into feet or slow ball handling in tight areas but overall they looked good against a 2nd rate opponent. The overall performance clearly showed the intentions of the curriculum are starting to take effect in style and technical ability of the individuals which was impressive. It also showed some of the downsides like our inability to head the ball and 3 and 4s that can pass but not defend. The quality of the opposition is not good any problems we have are not exposed so i would suggest any real assessment be reserved until we play a team of good standard.
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Barca4Life
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clivesundies wrote:Barca4Life wrote:clivesundies wrote: They wont be happy with that, to many turnovers in middle third, right side not working . Very poor goal to concede against less than average opponent.
Different type of central forward tonight looks to get in behind rather than back to goal.
Should be able to create plenty more chances.
Were they unforced errors? I know the style these lads are playing is quite high risk taking especially when they most of the time they want to play into the tight spaces centrally often resulting turnovers in midfield whilst other times being able to play through them. Those were my ht thoughts and they changed the 2 at ht and more than resolved the problem on the right. The turnovers mostly came from turning into feet or slow ball handling in tight areas but overall they looked good against a 2nd rate opponent. The overall performance clearly showed the intentions of the curriculum are starting to take effect in style and technical ability of the individuals which was impressive. It also showed some of the downsides like our inability to head the ball and 3 and 4s that can pass but not defend. The quality of the opposition is not good any problems we have are not exposed so i would suggest any real assessment be reserved until we play a team of good standard. It also shows the effects of SAP into our kids, the technical ability of these kids is something i haven't seen with Australian players in a very long time especially how they confident they can play in tight areas(always one or two touch). Seen the full replay now it seems also the conditions must have affected the passing a bit but still they created so many chances throughout the game not just the 8 goals, the first goal conceded came from a slip up by the right sided CB. Agree lets see how they go against world class opposition, should be intriguing to watch these exciting players in the future.
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Is there a link to match reports?
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Where can u watch replays
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grazorblade wrote:Where can u watch replays Check the last page got links of both halves on youtube.
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Eastern Glory
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Lots and lots of unforced errors last night compared to the first match. The speed of the ball movement was world class, but we got beaten on the counter too many times.
One thing I noted on a couple of occasions was that when we turned the ball over, there were no midfielders between our backline and their midfield. The holding midfielder/s seemed to push too high up the park.
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Unforced errors. Probably come from the pitch which was even worse then in the 1st game. They wouldnt have much experience playing in these conditions
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Eastern Glory
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grazorblade wrote:Unforced errors. Probably come from the pitch which was even worse then in the 1st game. They wouldnt have much experience playing in these conditions That's true. I thought in the first half, Singapore looked better than Cambodia.
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Is this the first generation who have had the full benefits of the NTC for the entirety of their childhood development? The Millennium Generation?
Good to hear the quality football and the domination on the scoreboard as well.
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In the first game, it looked like we tired during the second half and Cambodia didn't, whereas in this game it looked like Singapore tired more than we did so they conceded a few sloppy goals. That explains why, despite clearly being a better team than Cambodia, Singapore shipped twice as many goals.
What we've seen is encouraging, but our defense looked patchy because of how aggressive we were playing. Our boys are superior athletes to their opponents which made it easier to win back. Would be great to see our boys test themselves against a big euro country, or even Japan or South Korea. Still, I'm so impressed at the technique and speed of movement these boys have, especially in the weather they've been playing in. It's ridiculous.
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maxxie wrote:In the first game, it looked like we tired during the second half and Cambodia didn't, whereas in this game it looked like Singapore tired more than we did so they conceded a few sloppy goals. That explains why, despite clearly being a better team than Cambodia, Singapore shipped twice as many goals.
What we've seen is encouraging, but our defense looked patchy because of how aggressive we were playing. Our boys are superior athletes to their opponents which made it easier to win back. Would be great to see our boys test themselves against a big euro country, or even Japan or South Korea. Still, I'm so impressed at the technique and speed of movement these boys have, especially in the weather they've been playing in. It's ridiculous. They played Japan in September last year and won 4-2 away. May well have been a different squad though not sure.
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maxxie
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u4486662 wrote:maxxie wrote:In the first game, it looked like we tired during the second half and Cambodia didn't, whereas in this game it looked like Singapore tired more than we did so they conceded a few sloppy goals. That explains why, despite clearly being a better team than Cambodia, Singapore shipped twice as many goals.
What we've seen is encouraging, but our defense looked patchy because of how aggressive we were playing. Our boys are superior athletes to their opponents which made it easier to win back. Would be great to see our boys test themselves against a big euro country, or even Japan or South Korea. Still, I'm so impressed at the technique and speed of movement these boys have, especially in the weather they've been playing in. It's ridiculous. They played Japan in September last year and won 4-2 away. May well have been a different squad though not sure. IIRC that was the last gen of Joeys, although that is still encouraging considering I think this gen is better than the last.
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chicko1983 wrote:Congrats to Dylan's dad! Haha Cheers chicko
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JDB03 wrote:chicko1983 wrote:Congrats to Dylan's dad! Haha Cheers chicko No worries mate, you must be proud. Good luck to him, and the rest of the boys.
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clivesundies wrote:Barca4Life wrote:clivesundies wrote: They wont be happy with that, to many turnovers in middle third, right side not working . Very poor goal to concede against less than average opponent.
Different type of central forward tonight looks to get in behind rather than back to goal.
Should be able to create plenty more chances.
Were they unforced errors? I know the style these lads are playing is quite high risk taking especially when they most of the time they want to play into the tight spaces centrally often resulting turnovers in midfield whilst other times being able to play through them. Those were my ht thoughts and they changed the 2 at ht and more than resolved the problem on the right. The turnovers mostly came from turning into feet or slow ball handling in tight areas but overall they looked good against a 2nd rate opponent. Occasionally there were turns into the wrong areas, but overall there was good decision-making on show. The Singapore midfielders executed a lot of well-timed tackles and blocks. Overall the handling speed is far faster than previous teams. Players are so quick to receive the ball and pass it on. They are also operating more effectively in tighter spaces with this faster handling speed and composure on the ball.. Singapore are a nation who have all the ingredients to move forwards ATM. The senior team drew with the senior Japanese team recently in a WC qualifier, 0-0. This was shortly after the Blue Samurai had just beaten Venezuela 6-1. Shortly after, Venezuela matched, Brazil, narrowly losing 0-1.
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Decentric
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clivesundies wrote:
The overall performance clearly showed the intentions of the curriculum are starting to take effect in style and technical ability of the individuals which was impressive. It also showed some of the downsides like our inability to head the ball and 3 and 4s that can pass but not defend.
The quality of the opposition is not good any problems we have are not exposed so i would suggest any real assessment be reserved until we play a team of good standard.
Perplexingly, the FFA NC downgraded the importance of heading the ball. It is given less weighting less than it was.:-k However, theJoeys nearly scored form 2 corners from headed duels won. At the other end of the pitch there were a few second ball duels that shouldn't have occurred with decisively won defensive heading clearances. It is of paramount importance that 3 and 4, or CBs, develop technique early on, as it cannot been developed at a later age. Ball winning can. However, the CBs still won plenty of hard balls. We also have to credit at least one of the Singaporean attacking players with some very good ability on the ball. Singapore might be more highly rated at this point in time than we think, Clive. I'm not sure we've ever beaten them as decisively at any level as this game. I'm not talking about goals, but percentage of possession and having 28 shots on goal to their 9. The senior Socceroos probably never get that sort of ascendancy against any opponent.
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In the first half Singapore played a half press. This conserved energy for them and meant our defensive players often had more time on the ball, but had to try and score against a stacked defence in the attacking third.
In the second half Singapore adopted a full press. This meant it was herder for our players to play out from the back, but when they did, there was more distance between the Singapore lines. This created more space in attack. Hence, Australia scored from a few accelerated attacks.
The other pleasing phenomenon was the most of the goals scored by Australia resulted from Proactive play, not Reactive play which capitalises on opposition mistakes.
Edited by Decentric: 2/8/2015 12:49:56 PM
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u4486662 wrote:Is this the first generation who have had the full benefits of the NTC for the entirety of their childhood development? The Millennium Generation?
Good to hear the quality football and the domination on the scoreboard as well. I totally agree. I have said over the last few years that this generation has players that have had excellent coaching from day 1 of their Football. My son is in the team and been through Coever, football tech, SAP, NTC etc. so learnt properly... Doing this from day one gives them such a strong technical base to fall back on when under pressure,. Having learnt correctly and not having had to unlearn bad habits results in them now being technically very skilled and rock solid. Sitting in the stands last night I was extremely impressed by the high "average" level of skills, composure, creativity and nouse displayed across the board by the kids. Incredible all across the field. The big issue I see is who do you drop if they make the finals!! Tough decision but a great problem for Australia! Incredible debut for Marc Moric, 5 for Australia on debut, and you want to see composed and an eye for goal, wow. DISCLAIMER- no he isn't my son! I must say I'm excited for the remainder of this tournament, to me Australia would have to be favorites at the moment and other teams will be watching hard to find a weakness. Pumped! So happy for these kids being rewarded for massive lifetime dedication. Garnorf Edited by Garnorf: 2/8/2015 01:01:33 PM
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grazorblade wrote:quickflick wrote:I missed it annoyingly but the comments on this thread make for delightful reading.
Tell me, Eastern Glory, grazorblade and anybody else, what was the 1 vs 1 ability like?
Were there indications of good technique to get past opponents with great turns, feints and close control? Did they look better than the Young Socceroos in 2013 (whose passing and positioning was good but had no 1 vs 1 ability)? think Of a team of tom rogics who can also defend pretty well Passing actually might be weaker than last bunch of joeys from last year though the conditions might be causing it Not quite, but close. Maybe a Socceroo team with the combination of Spira as CB, Luongo, Burns and Rogic's skills. Very few of the current Socceroos would be good enough to get into the current Joey line up when they progress to senior Socceroo level. Also, many of the current HAL imports won't be good enough for the future HAL once these generations become seniors. Plus most current Aussie HAL players won't be good enough for the HAL either. Edited by Decentric: 2/8/2015 12:56:07 PMEdited by Decentric: 2/8/2015 12:56:22 PM
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u4486662 wrote:Is this the first generation who have had the full benefits of the NTC for the entirety of their childhood development? The Millennium Generation?
Good to hear the quality football and the domination on the scoreboard as well. They've had SAP training from 10-13, Skilleroo training at 13- 14, NTC training from 14 onwards.
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Garnorf wrote: Sitting in the stands last night I was extremely impressed by the high "average" level of skills, composure, creativity and nouse displayed across the board by the kids. Incredible all across the field.
In the past it would be a big thing if any one or two players had the level of skill that all the current Joey squad have. Players don't stand out, because all have such a high skill level.
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Agreed decentric....high everywhere.,I was asked if anyone stood out as havin had a bad game. Hand on heart I couldn't pick one, few errors yes, bad game, no. Phenomenal.
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Eastern Glory
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maxxie wrote:In the first game, it looked like we tired during the second half and Cambodia didn't, whereas in this game it looked like Singapore tired more than we did so they conceded a few sloppy goals. That explains why, despite clearly being a better team than Cambodia, Singapore shipped twice as many goals.
What we've seen is encouraging, but our defense looked patchy because of how aggressive we were playing. Our boys are superior athletes to their opponents which made it easier to win back. Would be great to see our boys test themselves against a big euro country, or even Japan or South Korea. Still, I'm so impressed at the technique and speed of movement these boys have, especially in the weather they've been playing in. It's ridiculous. Also, we played with an agressive striker rather than a hold up man. That striker change earned us 5 goals.
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Decentric wrote:u4486662 wrote:Is this the first generation who have had the full benefits of the NTC for the entirety of their childhood development? The Millennium Generation?
Good to hear the quality football and the domination on the scoreboard as well. They've had SAP training from 10-13, Skilleroo training at 13- 14, NTC training from 14 onwards. When did small sided games start for five year olds? Was it in '05 or later?
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Garnorf wrote:u4486662 wrote:Is this the first generation who have had the full benefits of the NTC for the entirety of their childhood development? The Millennium Generation?
Good to hear the quality football and the domination on the scoreboard as well. I totally agree. I have said over the last few years that this generation has players that have had excellent coaching from day 1 of their Football. My son is in the team and been through Coever, football tech, SAP, NTC etc. so learnt properly... Doing this from day one gives them such a strong technical base to fall back on when under pressure,. Having learnt correctly and not having had to unlearn bad habits results in them now being technically very skilled and rock solid. Sitting in the stands last night I was extremely impressed by the high "average" level of skills, composure, creativity and nouse displayed across the board by the kids. Incredible all across the field. The big issue I see is who do you drop if they make the finals!! Tough decision but a great problem for Australia! Incredible debut for Marc Moric, 5 for Australia on debut, and you want to see composed and an eye for goal, wow. DISCLAIMER- no he isn't my son! I must say I'm excited for the remainder of this tournament, to me Australia would have to be favorites at the moment and other teams will be watching hard to find a weakness. Pumped! So happy for these kids being rewarded for massive lifetime dedication. Garnorf Edited by Garnorf: 2/8/2015 01:01:33 PM Congratulations on your son.
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Decentric wrote:grazorblade wrote:quickflick wrote:I missed it annoyingly but the comments on this thread make for delightful reading.
Tell me, Eastern Glory, grazorblade and anybody else, what was the 1 vs 1 ability like?
Were there indications of good technique to get past opponents with great turns, feints and close control? Did they look better than the Young Socceroos in 2013 (whose passing and positioning was good but had no 1 vs 1 ability)? think Of a team of tom rogics who can also defend pretty well Passing actually might be weaker than last bunch of joeys from last year though the conditions might be causing it Not quite, but close. Maybe a Socceroo team with the combination of Spira as CB, Luongo, Burns and Rogic's skills. Very few of the current Socceroos would be good enough to get into the current Joey line up when they progress to senior Socceroo level. Also, many of the current HAL imports won't be good enough for the future HAL once these generations become seniors. Plus most current Aussie HAL players won't be good enough for the HAL either. Edited by Decentric: 2/8/2015 12:56:07 PMEdited by Decentric: 2/8/2015 12:56:22 PM How likely is it that this new style of Joey is going to kick on? How much better are they? How much better will this make our national team in 10 years? I know these questions are very hard to answer but are there other precedents from other countries for example?
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Eastern Glory
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Watching both games so far has me sure that this generation of kids will all go pro if they so desire. Skill levels on display last night was so far Beyond A-League level it wasn't funny. With the right physical development, we'll have a cracking team by the time they make the Olympics.
Edited by eastern glory: 2/8/2015 02:39:36 PM
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Sorry boys i smashed my phone. I literally paid 200 bucks just to get results from last nights aussie abroad, nplv east and this tournys matches. Glad to hear it finished 8-2. I think people forget these are kids and when you are pumping 8 goals past the keeper even the defenders want to get in on the act. It has happened agained against teams like Man U in ther last title winning season iirc. Edited by TheSelectFew: 2/8/2015 02:52:06 PM
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u4486662 wrote:Decentric wrote:u4486662 wrote:Is this the first generation who have had the full benefits of the NTC for the entirety of their childhood development? The Millennium Generation?
Good to hear the quality football and the domination on the scoreboard as well. They've had SAP training from 10-13, Skilleroo training at 13- 14, NTC training from 14 onwards. When did small sided games start for five year olds? Was it in '05 or later? My first coaching role was in 1997, I think. There was 7 a side for 7 year olds then. However, they were playing 11 a side by 11 years of age. Now they start off at 4 a side without keepers for under 6s I think. More prescribed formations for underage football have been advocated to develop for 11 a side football. I think 11 a side has been kept to appease the naysayers who cannot abide change.
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I'm watching the highlights now. It's thrilling to see.
How do they stack up technically and tactically against the Japan side that age? I wonder how they stack up against the likes of Belgium, Holland and Portugal.
Anybody know if these players are a long way ahead of the Joeys going to the WC this year? On the one hand, you sort of hope they are because it can't be a bad thing. On the other hand, you sort of want the Joeys to be this good because they could prove a force to be reckoned with at the WC.
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