I've travelled in that part of the world a lot. Those conditions are really hot for lying on the beach, yet alone playing football.:p

Whether in Indonesia, Burma( Myanmar), Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore or coastal India, the heat and humidity is similar to Darwin in the wet season. Few Aussies have experienced that.

If one adds, Vietnam and Cambodia, the conditions are similar for any of these nations moving to any one of the other countries.

I see, i just found it interesting about the technical class between us and Portugal even though we have closed the gap to Japan and South Korea going from the comments the SAP coach made.

I always thought the japanese produced the most technical players in the world, but for some reason just can't get it together on the world stage at world cups.

I'm not sure, but Sporting Lisbon may have one of the best, if not the best , club academy in Portugal. I'm surmising, not speaking with any authority though.

Portugal are one of these emerging nations, who one state TD at FFA Regional Conference suggested may be a world powerhouse. They must be knocking on the door. They only have a population of 9-10 million too.

The most technical players are usually Brazilian.

ATM a Portuguese national may have strong claims for that title - Cristiano Ronaldo.

They always like the dutch punched above their weight and produced some very good players.

And have a philosophy that's similar to the dutch too when it comes to playing proactive football.

I'm unaware if they have a holistic national system or not?

I've watched a bit of the Portuguese league. They play a similar style football to the big four European powerhouses we are trying to emulate.

I'm surmising and not speaking with any authority, but surely Portugal's small population and busted-arse economy will ensure it never reaches true world football powerhouse status any time soon a la Spain, Germany, Italy, France, Brazil or Argentina.

Maybe second rung with the likes of Holland, Belgium, Uruguay etc

FFA boffins define 8 world powerhouses - Germany, Spain, Holland, Italy, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay. France has recently met the three criteria to determine a powerhouse.

I'm not sure some of these countries are economic powerhouses, so Portugal may be included in the future.

Uruguay also has a population of only 3 million.

Thanks Decentric, and I'm probably taking the thread a little off track here. But I recall that someone did a study or similar - I think their conclusion was not so much that countries needed to be economic or population powerhouses, but that (statistically) they basically needed a certain level of "critical mass" in both.

In light of this disgraceful, profoundly embarassing & farcicial loss to a bunch of Thai college students it's time to enlighten you all as to the mango sucking fraudsters that are currently polluting Australian football.

By-pass any/all competitive stuff and head straight for a 'development' role where there is zero scrutiny and/or accountability. You can milk it for years, without ever being tested or questioned. And when the occasional kid has any degree of success (in spite of your utter hopelessness) you can claim him as your product. You, along with other like-minded football trough feeding slime , may totally destroy youth development but you will never be held personally responsible. Winner.

Australian football junior & youth development has become a highly regulated closed shop, with zero accountability, transparency
and all without a shred of evidence at all that points to any success whatsoever.

The focus is all on possession, body shape, playing around in circles. Forgotten the most important thing, how to attack, break open a defence and score goals.

It was clearly evidenced in that game against Thailand that we are so slow at moving forward because we are so obsessed with moving the ball around beautifully.

Defences can see us coming from a mile away.

In first half our defenders thought they were 4 Beckenbauers. Pity the Thais had pulled back into their own defensive half enabling these gronks to push the ball around.

For the record this thai side wasnt their national team. Players(4) from only one club Muangthong in TPL. Rest were from Colleges.

I don't know how the slime involved in the coaching & development roles can look themselves in the face every morning willingly & knowingly having no genuine interest in the development of Australian football at all but are only in it to line their pockets & keep their snouts in the trough.

The FFA of course don't wish to pursue this matter of course as it would highlight their utter incompetents coaching & curriculum selections & of course FourFourTwo magazine guzzle the semen of the FFA in order to sell magazines & receive exclusives so therefore they won't be asking any questions either now or when the next inevitiable youth failure occurs.

Just remember that results don't matter ever when your snout is in the trough.

I hope this helps in perhaps reflecting briefly on your own malfeasance.

May God have mercy on your dodgy souls.

you do realize they're 14/15 years old. go back to that hole you crawled out of.

Decentric be like

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The impressive thing about our game was the crowd for once

Wrong thread champ.

There are also development coaches in the European powerhouses, typified by your homeland, Holland. Development takes precedence over results. The objective about junior and youth development is to create players suitable for senior football. As noted prior, 40% of any match is attributable to chance. See Arthur's articles in performance section.

What do you espouse as an alternative system, Lollywood?

Surely not the old, archaic, ad hoc system we had in Australia that produced 32 years of failure to qualify for senior World Cups?:roll:

It is apparent to anybody that the old system in Australia wasn't working.

The Aussie football junior and our development system has become very professional. One has to have Advanced Coaching accreditation, like Holland, Germany, France, Italy and Spain, to coach elite youth.

Body shape - is an important concept in any world powerhouse football nation who plays Proactive football. This just illustrates to anybody reading this, that you, or anyone trying to ridicule it, have a very low knowledge base about football performance.

The Proactive possession game, or circulation football, that you denigrate so vehemently , is manifest in any other of the 7 powerhouses we are trying to emulate - Germany, Spain, Holland, France, Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina. You can also add Portugal and Belgium.

You may also have noticed a common theme amongst them - they've had unmitigated success.

All work on the fundamental premise that having more possession, over a sustained period than the opponent in the attacking third leads to a greater probability of winning football games. This has been comprehensively researched by UEFA.

It was also a weakness in Australian teams at any level prior to the current regime's tenure. To exemplify my point, observe Australia playing Iran at senior level, in 1997, then view the style of football played by the Joeys now. Thankfully, the style of football has changed immeasurably.=d>






Edited by Decentric: 12/8/2015 09:24:34 AM

Wrong.

Thailand did not have the team structure in possession of the ball to be able to maintain the ball for sustained periods of time. By a team maintaining possession it is also an effective defensive tool.

In Ball Possession, Thailand didn't have players constantly supporting the ball carrier opening appropriate passing lands at an optimum angle, in order to both maintain the ball and move or play forwards.

They relied on playing a quick ball over the top, to run onto. This was ubiquitous in Australian teams in past generations and attributable to our lack of success with 32 years failure to qualify for World Cups at senior level .
When Thailand tried to build up patiently through the midfield , the Joeys were easily able to disturb the build ups after 1-3 passes.=d>

Because Thailand recognised Australia's superiority in maintaining possession, they used a half press in defence, with a modicum of squeezing. As soon as Thailand won the ball, they played it as quickly forward as possible in accelerated attacks.

The Joeys lost the game, even though in terms of probability of scoring, the chance of them winning was higher.

Australia played 23 balls into the penalty box, compared to Thailand's 13 in the 71 minutes both teams had 11 players on the pitch.=d>

In most games, the team who plays most balls into the opposition penalty box has a greater probability of winning.

Australia's midfield and defensive lines, set up in the attacking version of the midfield triangle of the 1-4-3-3, was unable to negate the Thai counter attacks effectively, in this particular match scenario. Upsets, in a game where there is 40% chance variable in any given match, occur from time to time.

At the same time the Joeys could've deployed the two screener midfield triangle version of the 1-4-3-3 to negate the Thai counter attacking qualities.

We drew with Germany at senior level recently. Because we drew 2-2 does it mean it is plausible to tear up the entire current German national football curriculum? No.

However, at 13, 14, and 15 years of age, it is very easy to improve these minimal aspects of play that led to defeat in the Thailand game, as players age.

The high level of technique on show from this cohort of Joeys, inculcated by a far superior development system in Australia to anything we've had prior, is paramount for long term success at senior level. There are no short cuts. It cannot be developed at a later age.

Teams playing like Thailand did in this game, have rarely had sustained success at senior level. Powerhouses playing the Joeys' game plan, have had sustained success at senior level.

So it makes no sense to tear up an entire curriculum, predicated on sound practice , for an anomaly in results. The games were played in extremely hot and humid conditions, played every second day, that favoured all opposition teams over the Joeys.


Opposition defences have often defended deep, and compactly, because they recognised the Joeys' technical proficiency at building up through through midfields with considerable space between the lines.





Edited by Decentric: 12/8/2015 09:14:51 AM

Edited by Decentric: 12/8/2015 09:15:05 AM

Lollywood, you appear to denigrate the current FFA development system. Their current practices are based on a current amalgamation of German, Spanish, Franch and Dutch methodology.

You obviously think these countries are not very good at football.](*,)

What sort of alternative curriculum do you advocate Australia uses?

One based on some of these nations?

Cook Islands?

Azerbaijan?

Canada?

Moldova?

Kuwait?

Dont forget a element of luck also played its part it probably would have happen to lose like that maybe 1 in every 6 games, this team has been thrashing every single of their opponents convincing on the scoreboard but in stats too and on another day in more comfortable conditions they would have won easily.

I haven't seen this with an australian at any level in a long time probably since the Oceania days but the standard is a little higher with no disrespect to our Oceania neighbours.

Thailand played a style based on waiting for the opponent to make a mistake, they won't develop players with this style unlike us you would think.

They just need to be careful not be naive at the back and be patient for opportunities but in time they will only improve.

Edited by Barca4life: 12/8/2015 09:41:59 AM

Well that Lollywood is obviously a coach who missed out on a job, or a parent who's kid didn't make it.

Talk about bitter and ignorance.

Surprised Decentric even bothered to reply to such dribble.

This dont waste your time bro.

I know this nefarious Lollywood character from elsewhere on the interweb. He is surrounded in his den of iniquity by about 20 rabid, adoring acolytes, who genuinely believe everything he has said on here, word for word.](*,)

In all seriousness they believe that most FFA coaches should be indicted and subsequently jailed.:roll:

They believe that some opportunist Dutch coaches have visited Australia on a gravy train supplementing their retirement income and wasting any money FFA have paid them. :lol:

They believe Pim Verbeek, Han Berger, Henk Duut, Peter De Roo, Jan Versleijen, Rob Baan, et al, have destroyed Australian football beyond repair. :roll:

They also believe Australia should return to the halcyon era of the 32 years when we did not qualify for a single World Cup.](*,)

Amongst these characters of ill repute, are a few coaches overlooked for significant roles in the new system. Some are also strongly affiliated with some former NSL clubs, who think they have a divine right to be in the HAL.

Some of them have been permabanned from 442.=d>

They also share a pathological hatred of 442 forum.](*,)






Edited by Decentric: 12/8/2015 11:29:02 AM

Is this Judy Free/ Chips???? Surely he's not still around.

Thank you for putting hollywood in his place. =d>

F#ck - I thought we had seen the last of this c#nt.

No, Lollywood is not Judy Free/Chips Rafferty.

I think Judy has been permabanned from 442.

Judy and Lollywood share a lot in common about football. I've never been able to work out to what extent their views are shared in the NPL club community in NSW and Victoria , some of who used to be involved in the NSL.

Make no mistake, there are many who share their views about Aussie youth development failing now, compared to when we used to dominate Oceania.

They also ridicule the German, Spanish, French and Dutch influence on our football curriculum.](*,) :roll:

Interesting
i guess we have to wait till this group turns say 21 before desenters get on board

lollywood will have disappeared up his own arsehole by then

There are too many skeptics out there who know how youth development works, when the same people who were in charge under the old youth development system before 2009 are taking jabs at a bunch of 15,14 and a couple of 13 year old who have better technical quality than 70% of the players running in the a-league.

Youth development is a long ball game sometimes the results don't often reflect the player's ability or potential you do need to watch the games closely whilst taking into account of fatigue and the conditions too especially at under 15 level but they are taking jabs on these young kids, very poor! [-x

These are the same people that have developed most of the players running around in the a-league that haven't gone through much technical needed training from the ages 9-13 and most couldn't take a proper first touch or have slow handling speed, they tried to install it at the NTC and AIS level but that's where it is too late but they dont understand this.

There preference of physical attributes rather than technical attributes plus on top a playing style which was outdated but they think our players are two robotic or whatever that means...



Edited by Barca4life: 12/8/2015 07:40:51 PM