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Barca4Life wrote:JonoMV wrote:Barca4Life wrote:JonoMV wrote:GloryPerth wrote:FTR I'm not trying to put doubts or over-estimate our opponents, just, we need to take this much more seriously and pick the strongest squads possible - We need to be learning lessons from 2012 and even the struggles of previous younger gens, like above. That Young Socceroos gen failed to qualify for their 2015 U20 World Cup and now some of those talents pushing for this Olyroos squad. The Olyroos are NO juniors either - but aspiring seniors, most who should be well exposed to senior level football by now - half a dozen of them already Socceroos too.
I believe we should expect as much of our Olyroos as we do of our Soceroos - especially with the way the team is angling, the transition and opportunities Ange provides these talents, in the current regime. That has seen growing depth at this level, so far less excuses for this group of talent to not succeed. x2 I am one that believes Results matter at Under 17, 19, 20, Olympic level. There are people who believe it is the way we play, although everyone has different opinions, surely once players are at Under 23 level results have to be the most important factor? These guys are now 20+ and the majority are professional footballers. I look it as this, at under 16/17 its more about development than results, under 19/20s tends to be 50/50 and in under 23 level results has a bigger baring than development. Fair enough, I can understand your point of view. It is 50/50 for me at Under 17 level and then it is all about results for me. Creating a winning mentality is not as easy as many people think. I think one of the biggest benefits of having our youth sides compete in Asia is it mentally prepares them a lot better. In the past they would only be really tested in World Cups, now they have an uncomfortable qualification process (Which they should always qualify through). I'm only saying development more than results at under 17 level because they are a long way towards reaching professional level and only 2 or 3 of those guys might make on full time professional contracts, whilst it gets more easier on the older age groups which is why results should become more important. Agree on the winning mentality part but it also comes to down to the coaches too, Paul Okon and Aurelio Vidmar aren't good enough coaches to maximise the players abilities. xinfinity On the Under 17's normally a team that performs well would have an increased number of people make the senior team. e.g 2007 Under 17 Euro squads France had 6 players go on to play for France Netherlands had 5 players Iceland had 6 players (Who have now qualified for Euro 2016). Spain had 4 players Belgium had 3 Players Germany lost in the semi final to russia in the 06 Under 17 European Championships, 7 went on to play for Germany, 3 at World Cups and 2 at European Championships. The point is these tournaments occur every second year. If you have 3-4 decent tournaments this normally moves onto Under 19 level, and produces a good NT.. E.g Belgium, rarely qualify for youth tournaments in Europe (Only 7 teams make it) but they were competing in the 06 and 07 Under 17 Euros (Made the semi's), which was followed up by 04,06 Under 19 qualification. If you look at those squads, you have about 9 players who play for Belgium at the moment. I agree with your point, but generally the teams that go on to do well have more than 2 play for the NT in the future.
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lukerobinho
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JonoMV wrote:Barca4Life wrote:JonoMV wrote:Barca4Life wrote:JonoMV wrote:GloryPerth wrote:FTR I'm not trying to put doubts or over-estimate our opponents, just, we need to take this much more seriously and pick the strongest squads possible - We need to be learning lessons from 2012 and even the struggles of previous younger gens, like above. That Young Socceroos gen failed to qualify for their 2015 U20 World Cup and now some of those talents pushing for this Olyroos squad. The Olyroos are NO juniors either - but aspiring seniors, most who should be well exposed to senior level football by now - half a dozen of them already Socceroos too.
I believe we should expect as much of our Olyroos as we do of our Soceroos - especially with the way the team is angling, the transition and opportunities Ange provides these talents, in the current regime. That has seen growing depth at this level, so far less excuses for this group of talent to not succeed. x2 I am one that believes Results matter at Under 17, 19, 20, Olympic level. There are people who believe it is the way we play, although everyone has different opinions, surely once players are at Under 23 level results have to be the most important factor? These guys are now 20+ and the majority are professional footballers. I look it as this, at under 16/17 its more about development than results, under 19/20s tends to be 50/50 and in under 23 level results has a bigger baring than development. Fair enough, I can understand your point of view. It is 50/50 for me at Under 17 level and then it is all about results for me. Creating a winning mentality is not as easy as many people think. I think one of the biggest benefits of having our youth sides compete in Asia is it mentally prepares them a lot better. In the past they would only be really tested in World Cups, now they have an uncomfortable qualification process (Which they should always qualify through). I'm only saying development more than results at under 17 level because they are a long way towards reaching professional level and only 2 or 3 of those guys might make on full time professional contracts, whilst it gets more easier on the older age groups which is why results should become more important. Agree on the winning mentality part but it also comes to down to the coaches too, Paul Okon and Aurelio Vidmar aren't good enough coaches to maximise the players abilities. xinfinity On the Under 17's normally a team that performs well would have an increased number of people make the senior team. e.g 2007 Under 17 Euro squads France had 6 players go on to play for France Netherlands had 5 players Iceland had 6 players (Who have now qualified for Euro 2016). Spain had 4 players Belgium had 3 Players Germany lost in the semi final to russia in the 06 Under 17 European Championships, 7 went on to play for Germany, 3 at World Cups and 2 at European Championships. The point is these tournaments occur every second year. If you have 3-4 decent tournaments this normally moves onto Under 19 level, and produces a good NT.. E.g Belgium, rarely qualify for youth tournaments in Europe (Only 7 teams make it) but they were competing in the 06 and 07 Under 17 Euros (Made the semi's), which was followed up by 04,06 Under 19 qualification. If you look at those squads, you have about 9 players who play for Belgium at the moment. I agree with your point, but generally the teams that go on to do well have more than 2 play for the NT in the future. Spain won the under 17 07 tournament and only had one player go onto senior selection = De gea. England finished runner up and only had 1 player make it to seniors Danny welbeck
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JonoMV
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lukerobinho wrote:JonoMV wrote:Barca4Life wrote:JonoMV wrote:Barca4Life wrote:JonoMV wrote:GloryPerth wrote:FTR I'm not trying to put doubts or over-estimate our opponents, just, we need to take this much more seriously and pick the strongest squads possible - We need to be learning lessons from 2012 and even the struggles of previous younger gens, like above. That Young Socceroos gen failed to qualify for their 2015 U20 World Cup and now some of those talents pushing for this Olyroos squad. The Olyroos are NO juniors either - but aspiring seniors, most who should be well exposed to senior level football by now - half a dozen of them already Socceroos too.
I believe we should expect as much of our Olyroos as we do of our Soceroos - especially with the way the team is angling, the transition and opportunities Ange provides these talents, in the current regime. That has seen growing depth at this level, so far less excuses for this group of talent to not succeed. x2 I am one that believes Results matter at Under 17, 19, 20, Olympic level. There are people who believe it is the way we play, although everyone has different opinions, surely once players are at Under 23 level results have to be the most important factor? These guys are now 20+ and the majority are professional footballers. I look it as this, at under 16/17 its more about development than results, under 19/20s tends to be 50/50 and in under 23 level results has a bigger baring than development. Fair enough, I can understand your point of view. It is 50/50 for me at Under 17 level and then it is all about results for me. Creating a winning mentality is not as easy as many people think. I think one of the biggest benefits of having our youth sides compete in Asia is it mentally prepares them a lot better. In the past they would only be really tested in World Cups, now they have an uncomfortable qualification process (Which they should always qualify through). I'm only saying development more than results at under 17 level because they are a long way towards reaching professional level and only 2 or 3 of those guys might make on full time professional contracts, whilst it gets more easier on the older age groups which is why results should become more important. Agree on the winning mentality part but it also comes to down to the coaches too, Paul Okon and Aurelio Vidmar aren't good enough coaches to maximise the players abilities. xinfinity On the Under 17's normally a team that performs well would have an increased number of people make the senior team. e.g 2007 Under 17 Euro squads France had 6 players go on to play for France Netherlands had 5 players Iceland had 6 players (Who have now qualified for Euro 2016). Spain had 4 players Belgium had 3 Players Germany lost in the semi final to russia in the 06 Under 17 European Championships, 7 went on to play for Germany, 3 at World Cups and 2 at European Championships. The point is these tournaments occur every second year. If you have 3-4 decent tournaments this normally moves onto Under 19 level, and produces a good NT.. E.g Belgium, rarely qualify for youth tournaments in Europe (Only 7 teams make it) but they were competing in the 06 and 07 Under 17 Euros (Made the semi's), which was followed up by 04,06 Under 19 qualification. If you look at those squads, you have about 9 players who play for Belgium at the moment. I agree with your point, but generally the teams that go on to do well have more than 2 play for the NT in the future. Spain won the under 17 07 tournament and only had one player go onto senior selection = De gea. England finished runner up and only had 1 player make it to seniors Danny welbeck Those players are about 25 now, even so 4 had caps for Spain, only De Gea regularly. That can still somewhat increase. The 04 final had France beat Spain. France had 7 players go on to represent France, 5 for spain. That's my point. A few good tournaments and those ~1-2 are normally higher. Of course Under 17 level is not as accurate as 19 or 21 level. However some of the top nations have about 4 players in successive squads receive caps. It generally increases the talent pool. I remember reading a study on it (In dutch), will link it if i can find it.
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GloryPerth
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Barca4Life wrote:JonoMV wrote:GloryPerth wrote:FTR I'm not trying to put doubts or over-estimate our opponents, just, we need to take this much more seriously and pick the strongest squads possible - We need to be learning lessons from 2012 and even the struggles of previous younger gens, like above. That Young Socceroos gen failed to qualify for their 2015 U20 World Cup and now some of those talents pushing for this Olyroos squad. The Olyroos are NO juniors either - but aspiring seniors, most who should be well exposed to senior level football by now - half a dozen of them already Socceroos too.
I believe we should expect as much of our Olyroos as we do of our Soceroos - especially with the way the team is angling, the transition and opportunities Ange provides these talents, in the current regime. That has seen growing depth at this level, so far less excuses for this group of talent to not succeed. x2 I am one that believes Results matter at Under 17, 19, 20, Olympic level. There are people who believe it is the way we play, although everyone has different opinions, surely once players are at Under 23 level results have to be the most important factor? These guys are now 20+ and the majority are professional footballers. I look it as this, at under 16/17 its more about development than results, under 19/20s tends to be 50/50 and in under 23 level results has a bigger baring than development. FTR I hold similar sentiments to Barca in regards to that - I didn't mean to confuse, my point was that some talk of the Olyroos like they're the Young Socceroos or Joeys, like they're still a junior team. But they may be an 'Aged' limited NT, but they've always been unofficially, our Socceroos 'B Team' if you like and today ever-more so. The younger age levels, different story - but by time they are this age range, with the experience we discussed, they should be near fully developed, mature, senior talents - the ones at the level to reach selection for the Olyroos anyway! And if you look at it, indeed, most of them are - thankfully. That wasn't always the case earlier in the A-League, for reasons well discussed. So come this, I think we can expect more of this level team, than we do the younger level teams - because the performance levels should be more well refined, developed (In theory), as too their physical development and growing senior level consistency, so the results can start to be rightly expected - especially if they are expected to be our next coming, if not current, Socceroos talents too. More than half a dozen of them have been capped with the Socceroos and a few more have spent time with the Senior NT squads and training camps, like Musti Amini, DDS and some others. That's actually what makes this team all the more promising and why we can expect that bit more of them. Edited by GloryPerth: 14/9/2015 04:18:53 AM
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Barca4Life
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Under 16 AFC Qualification Stage:
Guam this Wednesday, kick off at 4pm EST.
Edited by Barca4life: 14/9/2015 09:59:49 AM
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Barca4Life wrote:Under 16 AFC Qualification Stage:
Guam this Wednesday, kick off at 4pm EST.
Edited by Barca4life: 14/9/2015 09:59:49 AM Fuck yeah!!!!!
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TheSelectFew wrote:Barca4Life wrote:Under 16 AFC Qualification Stage:
Guam this Wednesday, kick off at 4pm EST.
Edited by Barca4life: 14/9/2015 09:59:49 AM Fuck yeah!!!!! Leaving tonight.....cant wait. Boys are all good to go and looking forward to the first game. I will do my best to keep you guys updated.
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JDB03 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Barca4Life wrote:Under 16 AFC Qualification Stage:
Guam this Wednesday, kick off at 4pm EST.
Edited by Barca4life: 14/9/2015 09:59:49 AM Fuck yeah!!!!! Leaving tonight.....cant wait. Boys are all good to go and looking forward to the first game. I will do my best to keep you guys updated. Best of luck. If you don't want the flyer points I'll take them.
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Can anyone confirm that there is an under 20's squad together, have seen picture of Steve kuzmanovski with George mells, fofanah, youlley, deng and Liam rose on Instagram just today???
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Fast Pass
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Does anyone have the link to view the games for the U16 Joeys games in Vietnam.
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Fast Pass wrote:Does anyone have the link to view the games for the U16 Joeys games in Vietnam.
Don't know the answer to your question. Welcome to the forum.:)
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Decentric wrote:Fast Pass wrote:Does anyone have the link to view the games for the U16 Joeys games in Vietnam.
Don't know the answer to your question. Welcome to the forum.:) There will be a link provided on game day. Welcome to the forum.
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Fast Pass
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Thank you for the welcome.
Thanks that would be great. Can't wait to watch the games live.
Fingers crossed the reception will be better.
Good luck to all the boys.
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I can't gurantee a stream. It's about 85% chance. We should though considering we had one for the aff u16 tourny.
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Ds98 wrote:Can anyone confirm that there is an under 20's squad together, have seen picture of Steve kuzmanovski with George mells, fofanah, youlley, deng and Liam rose on Instagram just today??? Correct ,20s have final trial on the Sunshine Coast prior to squad been announced on the weekend , then they will come together again next Wednesday in Sydney .
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TheSelectFew wrote:I can't gurantee a stream. It's about 85% chance. We should though considering we had one for the aff u16 tourny. Just found out that there will be no live streaming of the games. Not sure why.
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Barca4Life
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JDB03 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:I can't gurantee a stream. It's about 85% chance. We should though considering we had one for the aff u16 tourny. Just found out that there will be no live streaming of the games. Not sure why. Who told you this?
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Barca4Life wrote:JDB03 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:I can't gurantee a stream. It's about 85% chance. We should though considering we had one for the aff u16 tourny. Just found out that there will be no live streaming of the games. Not sure why. Who told you this? This is why i dont ganble
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Barca4Life wrote:JDB03 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:I can't gurantee a stream. It's about 85% chance. We should though considering we had one for the aff u16 tourny. Just found out that there will be no live streaming of the games. Not sure why. Who told you this? http://onetivi.com/truc-tiep/day/16-9-2015change of plans should be on here. We are getting the emails from the Ffa staff.
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Mustang67
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Barca4Life wrote:JDB03 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:I can't gurantee a stream. It's about 85% chance. We should though considering we had one for the aff u16 tourny. Just found out that there will be no live streaming of the games. Not sure why. Who told you this? http://onetivi.com/truc-tiep/day/16-9-2015change of plans should be on here. We are getting the emails from the Ffa staff.
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JDB03 wrote:Barca4Life wrote:JDB03 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:I can't gurantee a stream. It's about 85% chance. We should though considering we had one for the aff u16 tourny. http://onetivi.com/truc-tiep/day/16-9-2015Fingers crossed!! Just found out that there will be no live streaming of the games. Not sure why. Who told you this? http://onetivi.com/truc-tiep/day/16-9-2015change of plans should be on here. We are getting the emails from the Ffa staff.
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Garnorf
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http://onetivi.com/truc-tiep/day/16-9-2015Me too, link looks good....fingers crossed
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Fast Pass
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Is the link working? By the time I will get it to work the game will be over grrrrr!
Edited by Fast Pass: 16/9/2015 03:54:23 PM
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Barca4Life
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Does the link even work? Mine isnt
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Garnorf
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Mine is coming up but no stream yet...2pm WA...4pm East?!
Patience fellas!
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Waits...
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Barca4Life
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Nothing is coming up, just says stand by for the start of game.
Already 1-0 Aus.
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Garnorf
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me too...no joy
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Barca4Life wrote:Nothing is coming up, just says stand by for the start of game.
Already 1-0 Aus. Who? How We doing? Are you there Barca?
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Garnorf wrote:Barca4Life wrote:Nothing is coming up, just says stand by for the start of game.
Already 1-0 Aus. Who? How We doing? Are you there Barca? I'll just give up, there isn't much there. Unless someone finds something which i doubt.
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