I don't think it's his call.

Sure mate. I would have too if only Okon picked up the phone.

Thought Irvine was very good as well when he came on, while Edwards added a lot of energy.

You can debate whether the first goal was Irvines fault but yeah he was very solid after that, much more than Gallifuoco. As well as Amini, very positive play from him just needed to lift his head a bit more in the last few minutes rather than blazing away, two shots blocked from distance.
Edwards looked very comfortable and classy on the ball, rarely gave the ball away which was a very big norm in the first half, I also thought Dougalls performance was quite solid as well for the limited time he was on the pitch.

Well if he wants to implement the same style of football at all national team levels he needs to bring in his own coaches otherwise why have the same people coach a style which doesn't suit them?

Isn't holistic style mandatory for all youth teams ?

The word on the street is ange is looking to make changes. He did bring in the MV youth coach as okons asssitant and he has also stated the a vidmar should move on from national setup to further his career. Prior to his dispute with FFA head management regarding the player pays arguments,Ange was planning to dismantle the center of excellence setup after this World Cup. This has now been thrown into turmoil because of the above mentioned issue between ange and the FFA.

I think some interesting things are about to happen after this u17s World Cup and olyroos olympic qualifications

Good - football is too big a beast to rely on one set of coaches to identify and nurture the best talent in the land. Pump that money into helping clubs setup proper bricks and mortar academies.

There are good things about the centralised academy, and while I am not opposed to club academies, having a centralised training centre can see a play off with the best of the best.

Not instead of though - at the moment we pin all our hopes on the CoE kids because none of the other A-League clubs have the right setups in place to allow late bloomers and 'not ideal fit' kids to still have a chance at making it.

Well so far CCM, Perth and Newcastle have academies, next year WSW, Sydney FC will join them next year so at least we filling the gaps and creating a better pathway.
Eventually Adelaide, Brisbane and both Melbourne clubs will join them very soon.
It would be interesting to see if the FFA COE will still be in place in the long term, i suspect once the FFA National Tier Academy system kicks in there wouldn't need to be one and the resources can used for coaching and scouting players eventually.

So it would be like this.

Tier 1: A-league clubs(Establish free scholarships in long term), best NPL clubs

Tier 2: NPL clubs with school system, best get extra training with NTC teams

Tier 3: NPL clubs with school system, best get extra training with NTC teams.

In long term this will be the new youth development system replacing the existing one, main aim is develop more elite players that would be training 6 to 10 sessions per week or 7 per days per week and the aim is 500 elite players will be developed per age group.

It's about creating a similar environment to European and World standards.

A huge change and challenge but its what its needed if we want to produce top class players again.


Edited by Barca4life: 13/10/2015 01:33:28 PM

Something that hasn't happened for our current coming crop.

As I have said numerous times previously the problem is the current selection process not necessarily the players!.
Currently center of excellence players are selected at the age of 14 yolds. They then develop full time at the ais at large expense to the FFA until 17yolds. as we have seen a large majority progress into young socceroos and olyroos squads where they begin to fade out as the late developers who weren't considered at 14yolds begin to shine. This is why historically only 2.1 joeys become socceroos.

Now the only way to fix this problem is follow what the world leaders of football are doing and monitor NOT train up to 60-70 players for each year of birth. Monitor by collecting data, keeping contact and invite to camps over the course of the year. Use the large sums of money spent at the AIS to invest in these types of programs and call 6 camps a year per year group. Looking at the current joeys squad they have -
19 players born 1998
2 players born 1999.

The current systems doesn't allow for the 1999 to be monitored properly. This has been happening for the last 10 years and it's no coincidence out results in youth football have deteriorated.

We select to young and then stick to long to these selections without having a centralized database for other fringe players!.

Edited by robbo: 13/10/2015 04:45:28 PM

The odd number years have always been overlooked in the younger rep Aus teams , mainly because of the u17s WC. However as the men get older it will level out I think .
Don't despair robbo if your lad is born in a odd year :)

I thought those players who miss ais selection are still playing with their NTC ?

Yes.

Missed the stream.

some brief highlights

[youtube]/watch?v=6b4gkW32kTk&feature=youtu.be&t=4m55s[/youtube]

I don't think a national team coach has the power to do this within his/her jurisdiction or job description.

Only a Technical Director can do this. However, whereas Berger was the Oz FFA TD, now Abrams is only TD for the under 16s and under. So as to who makes decisions above this age group I don't know ATM.

I think in most national football federations the national TD appoints national team coaches.

The trouble is highlights are just highlights from a few brief moments of the game.


Thanks for putting it up though.:)

Full game is available.

that was some strike by connor pain

Where, mate?


Actually, I couldn't get that last highlights video to load that Luke put up.

Even as young as 10 up to the age of 14, I've seen rep players develop at quite different rates over one season - 9 months.

From doing my job properly and being as objective as possible, some players who scraped into squads have been star players later in the year, overtaking team-mates with bigger reputations earlier in the year and from the previous seasons.

Some parents and players, find it difficult to recognise that their little Johnny, or their little princess, or themselves as players, have hit a trough, whilst others progress rapidly within the same time frame . Unfortunately, we, the rep coaches are often blamed for this phenomenon.


The sooner HAL clubs are forced into mandatory youth development, like overseas, the better.




Edited by Decentric: 13/10/2015 10:57:13 PM

That's my point how can a progressive football nation with ambition be without a TD for over a year and even the last year of bergers tenure he was part time. FFA are claiming to be progressive aren't they decentric?

Watch the Joeys at the FIFA U-17 World Cup LIVE on SBS

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/10/08/watch-joeys-fifa-u-17-world-cup-live-sbs

I'm sure i recall reading that Ange was responsible for getting all the national teams playing his style of football. If Abrams is just u16s then that would confirm Ange is in control (or sharing it with Abrams) of the structuring of the youth setup. And that should apply to coaches too.

Okon had never coached any side before. His results have been rubbish. The performances have largely been rubbish. How is it acceptable to take such a risk with our top youth players being coached by a totally inexperienced coach?

Agree, generally the odd years get their chances with the u20s .

I get that people aren't huge fans of the CoE but I think they're being a bit harsh on it. It filled a very important niche in the Australian player development sector at a time when we were struggling. It was used as a way for the best players in australia to get access to the best coaching and resources at a time when the coaching standards throughout youth systems across the country were sub par. The CoE was essentially the pioneer for the new playing style, even the local state programs were pretty poor up till about 5-4 years ago, with the national curriculum really only being taken up by clubs on mass in the last couple of years.

I think if we are getting to a stage where we no longer need it then that's most likely a good thing, it shows that standards for youth development have improved. If we can start producing players like those in the U16s without having to have a centralised academy then that's a major plus. If they do close the CoE down I hope they invest that money back into making coaching course cheaper and more accessible to the public. Even if we do keep the state NTCs hopefully they can be a part of the multiple pathways open to junior players, alongside european clubs, local clubs and A-League clubs.

They definitely are.

I haven't sat down with anyone for a while from the organisation to pick their brains about issues - some that have been raised in this thread.




Edited by Decentric: 15/10/2015 08:00:00 AM

Edited by Decentric: 17/10/2015 08:17:55 AM