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Getting a lot of love in the wide areas now.
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4-1. Good goal, nobody's stopping a strike like that.
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spoke too soon
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Too much space and what a finish.

If only we could hit them like that.


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wearing had his moment, but has worn dorn down, time for a change
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We really need to look at Porto and how they train, at least in attack.
We really need to teach positioning sooner.

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moops wrote:
We really need to look at Porto and how they train, at least in attack.


What we really need is every A-League team to have teams from under 9's all the way through to the senior side to produce a conveyor belt of players hardened in a professional environment.




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paladisious wrote:
4-1. Good goal, nobody's stopping a strike like that.


The poor bit was two defenders letting him right past on the wing...
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I don't like passing around the back, passing around the midfield is classy, passing around the defence is ineffective.
who is our right back? he looks quite good
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eldorado wrote:
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4-1. Good goal, nobody's stopping a strike like that.


The poor bit was two defenders letting him right past on the wing...


Yeah they made their own luck in beating those defenders, real individual brilliance by that player.
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moops wrote:
who is our right back? he looks quite good

Jonathan Vakirtzis, from the Victory NPL youth squad.
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paladisious wrote:
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who is our right back? he looks quite good

Jonathan Vakirtzis, from the Victory NPL youth squad.


Knew I shouldn't have asked :)

most of there attacks have gone down our left wing, but he seems quite good

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Munrubenmuz wrote:
moops wrote:
We really need to look at Porto and how they train, at least in attack.


What we really need is every A-League team to have teams from under 9's all the way through to the senior side to produce a conveyor belt of players hardened in a professional environment.


We need to enfranchise clubs (both A-League and NPL) to develop their own youth from the ground up. Why should NPL clubs bother when they have no place to promote to, and will be off on the cheap at the earliest opportunity, and why should A-League clubs bother if they'd lose half of their investment because of the salary cap and other onerous squad restrictions?

Youth development should indeed come from the clubs, but serious reform is needed to make it really work.
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Munrubenmuz wrote:
moops wrote:
We really need to look at Porto and how they train, at least in attack.


What we really need is every A-League team to have teams from under 9's all the way through to the senior side to produce a conveyor belt of players hardened in a professional environment.



This is the problem, because the FFA don't know who is out there, so the COE is where the main core come from.
We need more options, this would at least be obvious options the ffa don't have to far to scout.
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Come on Brimmer...
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paladisious wrote:
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moops wrote:
We really need to look at Porto and how they train, at least in attack.


What we really need is every A-League team to have teams from under 9's all the way through to the senior side to produce a conveyor belt of players hardened in a professional environment.


We need to enfranchise clubs (both A-League and NPL) to develop their own youth from the ground up. Why should NPL clubs bother when they have no place to promote to, and will be off on the cheap at the earliest opportunity, and why should A-League clubs bother if they'd lose half of their investment because of the salary cap and other onerous squad restrictions?

Youth development should indeed come from the clubs, but serious reform is needed to make it really work.


bugger, I agree with you again!
they should be better compensated, if not directly, then each club (depending on %) needs to be compensated, to at least encourage development.
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Ends 4-1. Oh well, the second half was a draw, with a good performance.
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paladisious wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
moops wrote:
We really need to look at Porto and how they train, at least in attack.


What we really need is every A-League team to have teams from under 9's all the way through to the senior side to produce a conveyor belt of players hardened in a professional environment.


We need to enfranchise clubs (both A-League and NPL) to develop their own youth from the ground up. Why should NPL clubs bother when they have no place to promote to, and will be off on the cheap at the earliest opportunity, and why should A-League clubs bother if they'd lose half of their investment because of the salary cap and other onerous squad restrictions?

Youth development should indeed come from the clubs, but serious reform is needed to make it really work.


Awesome article here about all of that.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/may/23/germany-bust-boom-talent





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Shame we haven't been able to get another goal back but the second half was promising. This team was the German runner up and considering the opposition I think the second half was our best performance at an underage world cup in the last few years.
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Ze Germans were just tougher in defense and clinical in attack. We kept possession but seemed to keep it for the hell of it. Got to attack. Got to put the ball away. Ze Germans were very professional about it. They wanted to give it to their striker as soon as possible. We wanted to give it to our striker only after everyone else in the team had two touches each. We had no one willing to take a German on and lose the ball.
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moops wrote:
paladisious wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
moops wrote:
We really need to look at Porto and how they train, at least in attack.


What we really need is every A-League team to have teams from under 9's all the way through to the senior side to produce a conveyor belt of players hardened in a professional environment.


We need to enfranchise clubs (both A-League and NPL) to develop their own youth from the ground up. Why should NPL clubs bother when they have no place to promote to, and will be off on the cheap at the earliest opportunity, and why should A-League clubs bother if they'd lose half of their investment because of the salary cap and other onerous squad restrictions?

Youth development should indeed come from the clubs, but serious reform is needed to make it really work.


bugger, I agree with you again!
they should be better compensated, if not directly, then each club (depending on %) needs to be compensated, to at least encourage development.


I'm not even saying just better compensation when the transfers happen, I'm talking about creating an environment where NPL clubs have a future and a reason to invest in youth. The FFA Cup is a good start, but I think at the very least access to a National NPL conference would be a good next step.

The new look NYL will have groups of just five teams to save on travel costs over summer when they're not in the NPL. Why not invite a couple of the top NPL youth teams to join them for that, if the travel is cheaper?

A-League clubs also need to be better legislated for to give them a reason to develop youth too, sure they can go to the expense of having a kick arse setup down to NPL Under 8's, but what's the point for them in making that investment when they can't end up using half of the products because of the salary cap?

I'm way off topic now, but yeah, someone needs to show some leadership, because the Australian football machine has so much more potential.
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Breaking news:

Deutscher Fußball-Bund have just made a shocking discovery.

It's possible for athletic, stronger players to be among the most technically gifted. Athletic players can actually improve the technical and tactical sides of their game.

Hopefully, the Football Federation of Australia will arrive at this brilliant conclusion sometime in the next decade.
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paladisious wrote:


A-League clubs also need to be better legislated for to give them a reason to develop youth too, sure they can go to the expense of having a kick arse setup down to NPL Under 8's, but what's the point for them in making that investment when they can't end up using half of the products because of the salary cap?

I'm way off topic now, but yeah, someone needs to show some leadership, because the Australian football machine has so much more potential.


The simple answer to the salary cap drama that you talk about above and the development of youth is to give the clubs a massive salary cap discount or dispensation if they come through the club's own junior system.



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Like it says in that article I linked above. It's cheaper to develop players than buy them.


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Langan wrote:
Ze Germans were just tougher in defense and clinical in attack. We kept possession but seemed to keep it for the hell of it. Got to attack. Got to put the ball away. Ze Germans were very professional about it. They wanted to give it to their striker as soon as possible. We wanted to give it to our striker only after everyone else in the team had two touches each. We had no one willing to take a German on and lose the ball.


To me, and decentric will vociferously disagree, this is exactly right.

There's a time and a place for playing out from the back and maintaining possession and there's a time to break quickly.

Teams need to recognise when to go and when to hold.

I'm not 100% sure if the Australian teams know when to go forward quickly or not.


Had a coach tell me once if you have the ball look up and if you outnumber them GO!



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quickflick wrote:
Breaking news:

Deutscher Fußball-Bund have just made a shocking discovery.

It's possible for athletic, stronger players to be among the most technically gifted. Athletic players can actually improve the technical and tactical sides of their game.

Hopefully, the Football Federation of Australia will arrive at this brilliant conclusion sometime in the next decade.


That's a bit of a silly statement. Our sides weren't slower or smaller than the germans, they just moved the ball faster. The difference in the new system is that smaller players get a look in but we still have bigger or quicker players as well.
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paladisious wrote:
moops wrote:
paladisious wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
moops wrote:
We really need to look at Porto and how they train, at least in attack.


What we really need is every A-League team to have teams from under 9's all the way through to the senior side to produce a conveyor belt of players hardened in a professional environment.


We need to enfranchise clubs (both A-League and NPL) to develop their own youth from the ground up. Why should NPL clubs bother when they have no place to promote to, and will be off on the cheap at the earliest opportunity, and why should A-League clubs bother if they'd lose half of their investment because of the salary cap and other onerous squad restrictions?

Youth development should indeed come from the clubs, but serious reform is needed to make it really work.


bugger, I agree with you again!
they should be better compensated, if not directly, then each club (depending on %) needs to be compensated, to at least encourage development.


I'm not even saying just better compensation when the transfers happen, I'm talking about creating an environment where NPL clubs have a future and a reason to invest in youth. The FFA Cup is a good start, but I think at the very least access to a National NPL conference would be a good next step.

The new look NYL will have groups of just five teams to save on travel costs over summer when they're not in the NPL. Why not invite a couple of the top NPL youth teams to join them for that, if the travel is cheaper?

A-League clubs also need to be better legislated for to give them a reason to develop youth too, sure they can go to the expense of having a kick arse setup down to NPL Under 8's, but what's the point for them in making that investment when they can't end up using half of the products because of the salary cap?

I'm way off topic now, but yeah, someone needs to show some leadership, because the Australian football machine has so much more potential.


I feel better, I don't agree with you entirely :)
if a kid goes through Koogarah - COE - Hal youth.
COE have only grabbed from a clubs earlier development, say this guy trained 5 years at KOOgaragh and five at COE, they each deserve 50 % (each one has invested in the player equally), but the 5k is a pittence really, think of coaches cost, infrastructure and all the ect. How much are these youths worth?
If clubs had to spend quite a bit for a youth, you don't think they would get more serious about it?
The cost doesn't have to be exceptional, just a balance to make it worth an A League club have an accademy (or sign with the 4th richest person (prince)) in the world.
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quickflick wrote:
Breaking news:

Deutscher Fußball-Bund have just made a shocking discovery.

It's possible for athletic, stronger players to be among the most technically gifted. Athletic players can actually improve the technical and tactical sides of their game.

Hopefully, the Football Federation of Australia will arrive at this brilliant conclusion sometime in the next decade.


You don't think they realise?
while AFL reqruit players at twelve and HAL clubs buy players at a pittance for players aged 17-18, behind the 8 ball you think?
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