Derrick glided past German defenders on a number of occasions.

Arzani has similar skills, I think he's a wee bit smaller, but was left on the bench the whole time.

Based on what Derrick, who's at Melbourne Victory, showed, he should be a worth a transfer to the Eredivisie, 2 Buli or the Belgian league pronto. I'd back him to be up to playing at that level basically straight away. He certainly needs to experience if he's to grow.

I wonder if the Rodaroos need a winger :d

History of this tournament shows players that make the so called dream team get picked up by European based clubs. In order for our youth to continue to develop we should be encouraging this but I am not so sure Aussie youth coachs do. It will be interesting to see the next squad Okon calls in for a camp. Let's see if he can think outside the square.

Next very important question. How many of this squad, other than Armenakas, Brimmer, Laws and Prinsen, have EU passports? Or how many can get them?

It will be very difficult to move to Europe without that (not impossible but a real uphill battle)

Edited by quickflick: 30/10/2015 05:31:50 AM

Most of these boys will be 18 soon, so the eu passport thing isn't as relevant depending on how highly the clubs in question want the player . Gorgovski at Dortmund has no eu passport, I think

This

No !

You're only allowed to criticise the coaching, NC or youth development pathways if, and only if, you satisfy the following Decentric approved criteria.



So there you go. Unless you meet the above, shut up.

Geez ease up on decentric ffs

There is a difference between constructive criticism and adopting Shadenfreude. You at times seem to have delighted in some weird sadism for what you deem to be a failure by an Aussie team who finished in the last 16 at World Cup level. They are only 16-17 years old.



Edited by Decentric: 30/10/2015 08:35:37 AM

Have a read of the below theselectfew regards my posting and tell me how I should ease up again.

Find a single post where I have said I am happy or as you put it "delighted in some weird sadism for what you deem to be a failure by an Aussie team".

I have offered constructive criticism about techniques and questioned, at length, various aspects of their play. You don't like it so you resort to lying and insults to belittle me and my position. (Because anyone without a KNVB badge and a masters in triangling wouldn't have a clue right?).

Either put up examples of the above or get off your friggin high horse.

Why don't you take issue with some of the other posters who are saying there are all sorts of problems?

People don't take issue with other posters because they don't have a chip on their shoulder. The way you talk/write it's like you enjoy the fact that you see the NC as a failure. You keep talking about what you tell your boys and how other coaches don't know shit etc etc and the way they pick teams and so on. You don't have a conversation you tell other people they are wrong and you're brilliant.

For instance


The irony in this is comedic gold.

Yeah good on ya champ.

Keep buying what they're shovelling.

I will also add Caletti who was probably our most consistent performer,Rowles who apart from yesterday was quite good in the group stage matches and Bandiera was decent going forward from left back too.
But very surprised we didnt see Arzani in this tourament, very mobile and skillful attacker in the same ilk of Panos, Derrick and Panetta.

Edited by Barca4life: 30/10/2015 10:48:24 AM

Interesting result right now with Costa Rica beating France on penalties, opens up the draw for the likes of Costa Rica, Belgium, Croatia or Mali to make the final.

Yeah, noticed that, Brimmer has one too. They'll both surely cop the banhammer once a more pernicious wikipedian notices it.

If this tournament is more about-development of players rather than winning at all costs please could someone explain why the coach did not utilize all of his squad members , I mean why take 3 keepers and only use 1 in 4 games?
It sure don't do much for the development or confidence of those players which did not get any minutes out of the360mins played .

Presumably he wanted his top performers on the pitch as much as possible in what was a very difficult group, you'll notice in the AFC tournaments there's a lot of rotation so dont tell me it doesn't happen

So it's more about winning then ? Which is fine by my but let's not try to pretty it up and say it's about development and results don't matter at this age .

Twisting words again ? there's a difference between performance and results

Not twisting words , just asking what the aim of the tournament was but if it were to be judged on results for me it was disappointing and if it were to be judged on performance only slightly less tbh.
Do we put it down to the players , coaches or the fact that maybe we don't have a good mix of either?
Definitely some of the coaching calls we're baffling as was some of the on field play in regards to the basics of the game (pass or dribble ) ( jump in or jockey)
Anyways at least they did make the knockout stage unlike these :)

http://www.bigsoccer.com/blog/2015/10/28/argentina-a-total-catastrophe

Close examination of rhetoric prior to tournament from de roo and vidmar says it was about development and style of play. After tournament with no evidence of good consistent style the rhetoric is about result..... "We got out of the group of death".

Bets each way.... Trying to save jobs

Probs backing Red Cadaux on Tuesday avo :)

European based horse so they won't like that!:d

Edited by robbo: 30/10/2015 06:41:22 PM

Not too disappointed. Can't be many times in the last 10 years we've got out of the group stage at an underage WC.

Agree.

Krones is bang on the money.

The trouble is many of our most experienced youth coaches in Australia, Scheinflug, Blanco, Steve O'Connor and Ron Smith, and Ange P., have been cast aside by FFA as being part of a different era. Also, labelled an unsuccessful one.

The coaches, usually former pro players and Socceroos, who are now inculcated with modern methodology to a high level, have relatively little experience as tournament coaches. Tony Vidmar, Ufuk Talay, Paul Okon, Okon's assistant whose name escapes me and has a Balkan name and a former Socceroo, have had little experience.

Guys like Gombau have that experience . So supposedly did Jan Verlsijen. They have the experience and the training.

Another 442 poster who has posted in this thread has wisely suggested off forum to me, who has had a prominent role within Oz club football, that FFA and Australia should be importing more Spanish coaches in the system.

We have had Dutch coaches, usually who speak excellent English. This poster sagely suggests that the English/ British coaches in the current system, Warren Grieve, Dean May, Spencer Prior, Kenny Weston, Neil Orr, Paul Lonton, etc, have not had a lot of experience implementing this sort of coaching methodology until recently.

Fair comment.

Okon, Vidmar and Talay may be coaching the players to have the right skill set for long term success in senior football. Nevertheless, it may not be good about preparing players for tournament football because they are inexperienced with the set up in underage tournaments. Does this matter?

This may not be detrimental for their development as senior footballers, but their underage results may not be as good in tournament football as if they were under the tutelage of a lot more experienced coaches.

I don't think it is a question of saving jobs.

Their appraisal should involve evaluation by stringent football criteria.

Having said this, another poster on here raised the issue of a local journo in his area being completely shut out by FFA about who did what and was accountable to who in the FFA system. I certainly think there should be transparency in any organisation, including FFA.

We still to need import oversea based coaches who have a strong track record in youth development, this area is where we still far behind from the rest of the world although its come a long way but still plenty of work to do, i wonder if the Belgian TD will further improve our coaching content in youth development sector.

Which is why need to look to import coaches like what Japan and Korea have been doing for the last 20 years.

It is probably also a question of money.

He is in New York at an academy there, I think him coming here is slim to none, opportunity lost.
I have said before, that people like Jed Davies who are passionate about youth development would be good to get over on a consultative 'mission'. Education is the key if we want to be at the forefront, not just coaches, but the way we go about things in general imho.

http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/554303555963/twg-experts-analysis-joeys

Maintain possession
short passes
movement on and off the ball

coach lessons in my book not lack of player ability