Some of the coaches you mentioned don't actually like the system of play they just go with it to save their jobs.

I don't think that it is a money issue. I was in spain recently and many great coaches are looking for a decent pay check and opportunity. I would rather pay any man who believes in what he is doing than some one who changes with the prevailing wind.

Gombau in Spain currently as of Friday, which player is he keeping an eye on ....

Gombau in Spain currently as of Friday, which player is he keeping an eye on ....

Rafa Jimenez?

Tell him we all miss him.

There is nothing wrong with Okon or Vidmar or players, the problem is playing together often against good quality. Then boys will be Top

. Yes I can do his laugh is infectious , no he looks at player in Adelaide for future.?????

Okon or Vidmar
wrong people for the job IMO there are better coaches available.

Its about time the FFA took their coaching appointments seriously when it comes to our youth teams, but i suspect this was Han Bergers influence as he wanted former national team players to take over those teams.

They are dogs. Youth players always get injured because they play the same guys every game even if the games are 2 days apart.

As a footnote to my earlier posts
this week i asked my futsal team if they would like to play against the bottom of the ladder team with 1 player down (we have won all but one game our opponent has been beat 23-0).
Final score a win to us 11-8 a great game with my players having to transition from attack to defense ( as a side note because i had 3 subs and 3 on field + the keeper i put a field player whole game in goal and gave each of my 3 on and 3 off teams a point system so they competed against each other in goals scored minus goals conceded) a game with in a game.

Why is this important to the joeys. Well i dont see any elite players up here get any of this sort of development from elite coaches they are the ones who go for the 23-nil.
Is that developing anyone? no and that is the prob with the system all talk but no substance.

Nigeria beat Brazil 3-0.

We weren't the only team to get beaten by this mob, does it make Nigeria world class at senior level? ;)

Aren't they notorious for playing over aged players?

Not quite this, more to their superior physical and speed advantage they have over with the rest of the teams.

But some don't believe this.

Some haven't provided evidence of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_fraud_in_association_football#Africa

Africa

One of the best known examples of a player falsifying documentations is Cameroon's international football defender Tobie Mimboe who held several documents during the course of his career that indicated he became younger as time went by.[2]

In 1989 Nigeria's youth national teams were banned by FIFA for fielding over-age players in FIFA-organised youth tournaments. The birth dates of three players at the 1988 Olympics were different than the ones used by those players at previous tournaments.[3] The resulting ban lasted for two years and Nigeria was also stripped of its right to host the 1991 FIFA World Youth Championship.[4]

South African journalist Thomas Kwenaite uncovered several "age-cheats" representing South Africa who participated in an Under-15 age group tournament hosted in France. The captain of that side was a 24-year-old third-year University student from Port Elizabeth.[5] After revealing the age of the player, the player's father took Kwenaite to the South African press ombudsman for "slander" before withdrawing his complaint after it was found that school records show that the player would have started school aged 2 years old. Kwenaite also claims that he was told that he was "unpatriotic" for reporting the story.

In late 1999, Anthony Kojo Williams was appointed as head of the Nigeria Football Federation. He lasted less than three months in the job and was dismissed because, in NFF board member Zaria Sani's words "he has failed to carry the other board members along"[6] In the 2010 BBC World service documentary Africa Kicks, Williams stated that the Nigerian Government were "afraid of change". He went on to say, "I don't see Nigerian football getting out of the quagmire, the problem it is in today is because it [corruption] is getting deeper and deeper and deeper. From time to time we get flashes where we do well in some competition with overage players and we celebrate. That was one of the issues I looked at, we can't keep using overage players. We use over-age players for junior championships, I know that. Why not say it? It's the truth. We always cheat. It's a fact. When you cheat, you deprive the young stars that are supposed to play in these competitions their rights."[7]

We use over-age players for junior championships, I know that. Why not say it? It's the truth. We always cheat.
Anthony Kojo Williams, NFF Chairman, 1999-2000.

In 2003, Kenya's Under-17 national team were dissolved by the Kenyan Government after some players revealed themselves to be over 18 years of age.[8] The same year, Ghana's Deputy Youth and Sports Minister Joe Aggrey said he wished to stop age cheats.[9]

In 2009, Nigerian journalist Adokiye Amiesimaka accused the Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) of being complicit with age-cheats because it gave the nation a competitive advantage. He had what he considered to be proof that some players were overage but the NFF were not interested in taking his complaint seriously.[10]

In December 2010, the Senegal Football Federation withdrew Diawandou Diagne, Hervé Diédhiou and Samba Diallo from their under-17 national team after it was found they were overage following an MRI scan.[11]

In February 2011, Ivorian football manager and SuperSport television pundit Mamadou Gaye responded to a question asking who he thought would win the 2011 U-17 World Cup with "...any of the four team representing us [Africa] in the world cup U17 can win the trophee (sic), because at that level we like cheating on our age."[12]

Edited by ryan2008: 2/11/2015 11:39:16 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/feb/21/nigerian-football-age-old-problem

Well both Mali and Nigeria winning both suggests they have some sort of advantage at this level but lose this when they face men, lack of money and resources don't cut it.

Nigeria have the under 17 world cup, 4 times.

These teams have an advantage over most nations.

hahah they cheat ? fuck sake

how the fuck can you put over aged players into a FIFA competition

Oh wait FIFA...

The whole point of Africans age cheating is they are all desperate for a European contract to get out of poverty, and then you can use the u17 world cup as a platform to get that contract. The agents are the ones who make sure that the authorities let them cheat. Australia has a different corruption , instead of poor people who are desperate we have rich parents who are desperate. Then you have coaches and agents who are desperate for money so the rich parents pay off the coaches . Nigerian corruption helps them at youth level, Australia's corruption hinders at youth level.

If you're disadvantaged by poverty, chances are you have far too many problems to be making WC Squads.

Bribes in poor countries usually goes hand in hand with having some kind of pre-existing social standing or reputation, and authorities don't usually dodge records unless you pay them, which poor people couldn't afford to do. But this is not to say, good, desperate players are not making these teams. It just says that they may still not be the best skilled players

What I find funny is the way the Indian cricket team finds it's players. It would be comparable with the Queen choosing her fanciest friends children to represent England at the World Cup. How can you brand that and sell it to millions, poor Rupert

Edited by highkick05: 2/11/2015 12:19:57 PM

The agents and the clubs would handling everything for them, in terms of fake documents.
There is more money to be made out of genuine prospects than having richer kids son in Africa.
IN Australia its the reverse you have so many wealthy parents and not much talent.
There is an issue in Africa where people do put money into footballers and send them to Europe to trial, with the whole family fortune, and then they end up homeless in Europe too ashamed to contact their family again.
Cricket is totally different to football, while playing cricket in the street is not the same with a cricket ball on a pitch.
Whereas football you can be one of the worlds best players having never set foot on a proper football field.
Playing cricket in the street backyard would help one become a top class player like the Chappels played in their backyard, however unless you also have access for a long period to proper facilities you will never be able to show that talent.

I'm seeing words that imply that a superior physical and speed advantage they have over with the rest of the teams is why Nigeria are better.

I'm not seeing any evidence of "superior physical and speed advantage" except that you say they're successful which seems to imply that they're successful because of those attributes.

Could it not as simple as they're actually pretty good?

I taped the Australia Nigeria game and I still have it on my hard drive.

So just for shits and giggles I had another look at the anthems and then I watched the teams shake hands and pass by each other. Besides our miniscule captain there was barely a difference between the 2 sides.

I'd even go as far as saying our blokes, on average, were taller.

I'm not sure what that says about any of this except unless someone can show me a link or a source that says Africans, on average, age physically quicker and mature faster than caucasians then I'm not buying it. (At least not yet.)



Edited by munrubenmuz: 2/11/2015 12:50:39 PM

A lot of hearsay amongst a few of these posts. Any actual evidence to back up any these statements?

Those quotes you supplied seem to be ancient history. The 2003 one being the latest example and standout where something actually happened.

The other later ones are claims but nothing concrete. Yes 3 Senegalese blokes failed an MRI but Africans are not the only blokes failing MRI's.

If anything this passage from a linked article (2010) seems to suggest Nigeria are trying to do something about it.

Fifa reckon they have finally come up with a foolproof way of determining real age. Ahead of last year's Under-17 World Cup in, as it happened, Nigeria, the governing body announced that players would be subjected to wrist scans using magnetic resonance imaging, and this would determine their true age.

That led some countries to undertake precautionary scans beforehand. The results were never announced, but Nigeria suddenly discarded 15 squad members, while Gambia omitted 11 of the 18 who had helped them to victory in the African Under-17 championship a few months earlier. Reports claim that retrospective analyses of the previous three Under-17 World Cups showed more than a third of all players were too old.

I question the sincerity of anyone that claims the nigerians weren't physically more developed
I'm starting to think murenumbez is probably just a troll

Yeah righto, you've got me.

I'll just rely on the evidence before my own eyes and let everyone else believe the myth that they were bigger than us. (Despite no evidence to suggest they actually were.)

Watch the replay. Besides their towering forward (no 9?) the rest were much of a muchness. But if you want to believe they won because they are superior physical specimens compared to us then go ahead.

What are you all going to say if they get beaten in a semi by a smaller team?

Why don't you go back to where Arthur (not me) dissected the goals and pretty much lay the blame on all the goals against Australia for poor technique, poor positioning and poor gameplay.

Or you could say the Nigerians were bigger and that's why they won.

In which case we'll never improve.

I showed you some stats before here are the wrist fusion numbers.

   14 years   15 years   16 years   17 years   18 years   19 years
I   11 (52.4%)    40 (32.0%) 16 (12.3%)   5 (4.3%)   0           0
II   10 (47.6%)   60 (48.0%)   65 (50.0%)   37 (32.2%)   5 (5.9%)   0
III   0                  11 (8.8%)   16 (12.3%)   10 (8.7%)   8 (9.4%)   0
IV   0                  8 (6.4%)   15 (11.5%)   21 (18.3%)   13 (15.3%)   0
V   0                 6 (4.8%)   17 (13.1%)   31 (27.0%)   49 (57.6%)   14 (70.0%)
VI   0                0                          1 (0.8%)   11 (9.6%)   10 (11.8%)   6 (30.0%)
Total   21   125   130   115   85   20

You can't even tell for certain that a 15 year old is not a 19 year old.
All they do is disqualify anyone who is a VI so thats only 30 % of 19 year olds.

your wasting your time feeding the trolls

We'll see soon enough if these countries have been dodgy, FIFA will go to court and it will all be under a microscope.

But hear me now, if FIFA turns out to be the 'role model' that it is, then expect that what nickk and others have been saying is true.

I for a fact know that in these poor countries, making fake documents is quite common and acceptable. These people 'do it for breakfast'

Need a driver's license but you're 1 year too young ? Make a fake birth certificate !

Edited by highkick05: 2/11/2015 01:31:28 PM

You did show that. You didn't link a source and you said the link I put up from Wiki was poorly written but you didn't explain why.

According to the wiki article

The mandatory use of Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) was introduced by FIFA in 2009 for the FIFA Under-17 World Cup to help ascertain whether players are over age or not.

[size=6]MRI is considered to be 99% accurate until the age of 17[/size], after which it becomes harder for medical professionals to calculate a person's age. Professor Jiri Dvorak of FIFA said: "The efficiency stops at 17 and it's just pure coincidence that Fifa made their competition an under-17 event".[15] Every bone in the arm and leg has an end plate from which bones grow. When the growth is completed (usually around the age of 17-18), then this end plate disappears on the MRI scans.[15] Dvorak concedes that the scan results "will be unjust to 1% of all examined players".[15]

The researchers had classified the scans into 6 grading system, as follows:

Of the 429 MRI done by the Asian Football Confederation in 2007, 10 players (or 2.7%) were found to be over the age of 16 years in an otherwise Under-15 tournament. In 2008, one out of the 116 MRI conducted had full fusion.[16]

In 2011, the Confederation of African Football (CAF) enforced the use of MRI for the 2011 African Under-17 Championship.[20]

In July 2013, sixteen-year-old United States-born Maduabuchi "Abuchi" Obinwa failed a MRI test when undergoing assessment to represent the Nigeria U17 team at the 2013 FIFA U-17 World Cup.[21]


Where do those figures that you are posting up come from?


Edited by munrubenmuz: 2/11/2015 02:14:23 PM