I thought you would have read over your comment and realised that Socceroofan4life mentioned a great sliding tackle, but you in your sly ways as usual have to mention a somewhat negative comment on a warranted piece of appraisal. to what was virtually one mistake made by him the whole match. the OG.

I'm not sure it goes to that old issue, though that's part of the Technical reforms area, but Viddie deals with the cattle he's got now (Young Senior players in their early 20s). And sure some of them are a mixed bag, but this group is still under-performing and dysfunctional, form players like McLaren not played into the game. It's chronic. That's poor training and tactics in camp. Players have roles in a line-up, like Ange's team, here they are failing across the board. But failing to what - what are the roles, what are they supposed to be doing? To be fair to Viddie, in some ways they tried to play-through but failed, but later, they just broke down and lost further discipline, not just due to tiredness, but just being broken down and lacking ideas and interplay. Players turning it over so often, they give up moving into channels ahead.

You can blame the players only so far, as the transitional and pace of passing was slow from get-go. It was just too slow and the forward pass and intent lacking. Ange wouldn't accept that. There is a difference here and it's down to Viddie, rather than just the players.

sure, it was a great sliding tackle...it why my reply to Socceroofan4life was "yes he did" but if it wasn't a great sliding tackle , it would have been a penalty

he made a own goal , that bit of mistake , but it can happen

What's worse viewing is Donachie on that goal. Fucking strolling like a guy who hadn't made several dangerously close passes with the oppo breathing on his kneck. To players who were in worse positions than him mind you :lol:

Not one long ball played to Maclaren who often peels off the shoulders at any chance. he must be feeling pretty deflated in the change rooms right now.

So you ask me wtf has Vidmar been doing with this squad? I think one ball made it over to Maclaren in 80 minutes plus 10 min muslim fasting time

Just take Victory's last game - The rocket Muscat gave his team at h/t v the Mariners? They were slow and slovenly in transition and inter-play, Mariners punished them on the counter. After h/t a different team, highly organised, highly motivated. Here it just went from bad to worse. It was shocking. It's like we never, ever, had a chance.

Standards are low here. That's the difference. Ange is watching on closely and so he should be. Something has got to give, FFA has got to make to tough call. Our qualification is on the line now, so how is Viddie's job being scrutinised - how are Casserly, Abrams and co analysing what went down this morning?! Or are the Olyroos 'just another youth team' too?!

it's totally the coach fault (Vidmar, and other) Australia was so tactically controlled by UAE in this game, they force Australia to go left 95% of the time , by instantly shutting down the right side and letting space on the left

again, why is Galloway and Gallifuoco not getting game time at MVFC this year, but get the starting job for under 23 team

Edited by adrtho: 15/1/2016 06:03:22 AM

But but but we had 59% possession ,

Edited by robbo: 15/1/2016 06:03:50 AM

I don't have any figures but it appears the few who end up as full internationals aren't always stand outs at youth level and mature later on.

I've just looked and Luongo has no youth caps, Rogic 1, Jedinak 10, Leckie 13 at U20 level, Franjic 0, Wright 3, Wilko, Oar, Burns and Troisi were heavily involved.

Looking at previous U20 WC squads so many have failed to make the grade. Some of the names there just make me laugh as they were never good at any level. I'm going to mention Marc Warren here as he's been one of the better known who miraculously made it so far without being caught out.

I've seen mentioned before that our U17 and even U20 has a culture of mates club and certain players get picked on relationship to coaches and staff and arguably better players don't get selected. The latter may be those who come through later and make the full Roos squad once surpassing those politics.

yes, but we had it where UAE want us to go.....we had no ability to move the ball down the center, and that because Ugarkovic and Edwards had no ability to create space ..Edwards work hard, but he was force back or left every time he had the ball (or lost it)

You've hit the nail on the head there. Some of our best are held back or are already full internationals and we get the leftovers who still underperform and the coaching standard in stagnant.

Thanks John, but that still should not condemn us. The short-comings are NOT all talent related and some of that is reflected how some perform with their clubs and the dysfunction of the side under Viddie.

BTW Another necessary change for second match - O'Neill for Brillante or DM area? His distribution an upgrade for the match demands and has the club form that Brillante lacks. I don't know Antonis' status, but Amini will be back and surely taking the place of Edwards at #10. So atleast that's a start.

McLaren hardly saw any service all game - infact he hardly saw the ball! I mean, that's not ALL talent (lack of), lack of match fitness, related?! Players have a system and have roles within that system, perhaps some are failing their roles, but perhaps some are not being instructed or organised in their roles well enough?! It just broken down after half-time, just got worse! This is not an Ange team, Ange would not be having this. Transition was too slow and back-passes were happening from the earliest minutes - just some poor decisions and errant execution. Turn-overs high.

Edited by GloryPerth: 15/1/2016 06:23:47 AM

Some have actively suspected a culture like that surrounding talents like Edwards and I didn't buy into that, but perhaps I finally do now. Captain of this line-up, apparently three games with Partick Thistle?! He should not have even been featuring, but squad stretched with Amini recovering and Antonis out. We were shocking in the final third and Pain not featuring for Victory, we see why. Hoole has gone from a regular starter with the Jets to a squaddie with SFC, we see why. Standards raise at A-League level. But seems different standards apply to the Olyroos.

I don't know why we don't just treat the Olyroos like the Socceroos B-team they're supposed to be and which Ange seeks to treat them as. We treat them more like an 'Under'-23 team with the emphasis on the under, 'Under-aged', so lump them in with the youth teams, but even then, we expect the Young Socceroos to qualify for their WCs and they have been recent times. But we fail for London 2012 and keep the same guy in the job and are on a course, same pattern of performing, at risk of failing for Rio 2016. Do we have to wait for a coach to fail two generations before a decision is made?!

If World Cup qualification is the be-all and end-all for our Socceroos and it seems, is increasingly so for the Younger teams too, then why are the Olyroos, and 'Olympic Qualification' treated, soo differently?!

It's like they're an after-thought? "Oh, we don't want to bother with them, just give them to a cheap coach, like Viddie!" "Olyroos?! Oh yeah, that team, oh we just worry about them every few years, then forget - everything else is more important."

That's what you get when you play your third string side.

Totally unacceptable. At least we have the confed's cup to make up for it.

But come on, it's not all about the talent, which collectively, is not even THAT bad. We had McLaren upfront, but he hardly sighted the ball. He was always going to be our #1 attacker, in the fullest strength side. Brillante was always going to be in the line-up, but his performances below par, needs more pressure on his position. Galloway and Gersbach were decent in the overlap early, but nothing came of it. This side never came together, they were not organised well enough to roles. Discipline fell away later. Retention and circulation of the ball slow. Some of this tactical rather than just technical. This is why McLaren hardly touched the ball, play broken down just before him, many times. That early period was our best time, but it constantly broken down in the final third, a total loss of composure in that area when something half-decent could've been presented through some structure. But there was far from enough and that's because the transition and circulation slow, which left us relying on the poor technique and 1v1s of some of these third-string individuals.

this is so right.....

lets look at Ryan Edwards, he 22 years old , he played 15 games at Perth Glory (daddy was coach) 7 games at Reading, 3 games at    Partick Thistle.....14 game for Australia under 23 team , 17 games for Australia under 20

Giancarlo Gallifuoco 22 years old,, two game for MVFC , 7 games for Australia under 23 team, 4 games for Australia under 20

22 years old should a lest be playing 1st team football in the fucking A-league

True playmaker, but does the coach just get let off the hook again?! Another free-pass? Or never mind Olympic Qualification, he had to play with a third-string side? Not all the deficiencies in the game were down to failure of technique and lack of sharpness and decision-making, but a lack of organisation and discipline, playing to roles in a system. In a way, that's how and why we have implemented tactical reforms in Australia and Ange's style with the 'roos - It's built around being less reliant on the individual cattle and more around structure and organisation of the team-unit and roles within it. Quicker transition and team-play to over-come the lack of individual X-factor. It's largely worked for Anges roos more than it hasn't. It's a structure that applies to all the levels and so, in theory, could be, should be, executed by most.

But one has to question IF that structure is being implemented to the required level as the transition and circulation, the back-passing and errant passes. An Ange team would not do this - back-passing to the half-way line from the front third?! The forward passes could be barely counted on one-hand. The intent was just lacking at times and there was no impetus, motivation, coming from half-time . The opponents lifted, but we didn't. What is that?!

That's right - And why does a Gallifuoco start ahead of Burgess? Sure Burgess lacks regular senior football too, but how are they measuring up, what makes the difference in the final decision there?

And Ryan Edwards over the playing and in-form Mauk? Sure, Amini a late withdrawal due to sickness, thinned our options further - but Edwards starting AND the Captains armband?! 3 games this season with his club?! Mauk form of his life with high flying Melbourne City?! Mauk was motivated, wanted revenge against the UAE for his U20s gen, instead Edwards is preferred?!

I suspect perhaps Mauk being near 2 years younger might factor into it, but should it? Mauk is bigger than Edwards, shows good physical development, so ticks those boxes and is performing with 'the men' well at A-League level. Three games with Partik in the SPL v Mauk with many more this season?

Perhaps on these alone, we might be wrong, or perhaps a little right, but the outcome of this morning might not have been any better? But this pattern of selection just seems to continue and can add to the list of doubters out there. The 'comfy club culture' is endemic in a way and that goes down to the coaching regime - Viddie failed 2012 and yet is in charge of this gen. These coaches are gift the role for such long terms and seem almost immune from results. The Olyroos aren't a youth team and are actually our every generation's aspiring Olympic team. Forget the FFA, the Ministor for Sport and co, they want Medals and if our sport is apathetic to their team making the Olympics, then that would certainly concern them.

If our nation takes the Olympics serious, then why don't the FFA take the Olyroos serious?!

Edited by GloryPerth: 15/1/2016 07:27:11 AM

Edwards starts and captains. This guy, itching for 'revenge' sits on the bench:

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to me it clear it was selection problem start...i did forget about Amini being a bit sick....

Vidmar (Olyroos) were out coach today.....thislost game is all on Vidmar and coaching staff

Nothing changes the fact that this side is not even close to our best for this generation.

Our full strength side with guys like smith, Degenek, Ikon, irvine et al would've been magnificent but now they will not get the chance to impress. Which is frustrating. The fact the Gallifuocco starts ahead of Deng is telling. Who made this decision? This guy is hardly NPL quality and Deng is one of Victory's best players this season. It should've been a no-brainer. Geria likewise.

Pretty chuffed in my decision to not stay up for this. How any of you have faith in the olyroos and Vidmar is beyond me, they were always going to be shit and not qualify.

Likewise connor pain headless chook cack useless at a-league level. Yet starts for vidmar go figure

Not going to say 'I told you so'...ok I told you so.

Anyway I will hold judgement until the end of the tournament. Good luck to the boys in the next two. But fuck me, if they do not improve serious, serious questions about the way we go about our football needs to be asked.

Result not surprising with Vidmar in charge, also with that midfield no creativity or spark what so ever.

I can't see us qualifying sadly.

This Olyroos squad is rubbish, what were you expecting?

Nowhere near the best U-23 side Australia is able to put out on the field.

I'd be more worried if I was UAE. :oops:

interesting game. Annual leave means I got to sleep in after watching it

We looked pretty composed playing out with brilliante a calming figure apart from a poor moment that led to a yellow card. The back 5 and gk seemed to do well as a unit and apart from the own goal did very well to contain a west asian team in west asia while dominating position - not an easy thing to do. This side might be part of a rotation because there were some strong players like geria that didnt play

I think the midfield and attack didn't work. We didn't generate many chances apart from the one connor pain should have scored from
Edwards is an ok player from what I see but he isn't a creative CAM and if you play him with a defensive triangle (2 6's and a 10) he gets the sole play making duties meaning we had absolutely no penetration through the middle.
Maclaren is a promising player too but contributes little in build up play so you need the players around him to compensate for that and selection choices should reflect that
Further more pain and hoole aren't known finishers at a league level so you are unlikely to generate too many goals outwide. So where were the goals going to come from?

I think its justified playing 2 6's against a west asian side in west asia on a pitch that looked a little bumpy. But then you have to play antonis or amini at 10. I'd prefer antonis due to his defensive contribution. But if you choose him you have to have three goal scorers up front since antonis isn't a notable goal scorer. Gersbach is particularly good in providing width out wide so you can afford to play a wide striker up front left rather than a winger. So perhaps taggart or edwards. Both have scored a fair bit at club level. Front right then should be borello since he has scored frequently at club level but you could also argue another wide striker (the other of taggart or Edwards).

The individuals all looked competent in this game but the combinations have to make sense and they didn't. Thats why we generated almost no chances.

You didn't need to tell us so. When you take your third strength side it is obvious we won't win a single game and will likely lose all three.

Frustratingly, this will give ammunition to the detractors. But the reality is this side is THIRD STRING. Could you imagine if the socceroos played a third string side in a tournament?

We could've been so much better. Thankfully this shouldn't stifle the progression of guys like smith, irvine, degenek and ikon so at the end of the day it shouldn't matter but still fucking annoying. Cos this is actually a really strong generation.

Score and 3 line summary anyone?

a spectacular finish from guilfalco (own goal) put UAE ahead 1-0 on a bumpy pitch where a 3rd string Australia dominated posession but barely any chances were produced by either side. Highlights included a guy with an afro asking the ref for a yellow card and players getting stretchered off the field when their side went ahead.

Edited by grazorblade: 15/1/2016 09:13:16 AM

That's the ultimate silver lining to come out of this tournament. You can add Mabil to that group of players too.