mind you if you play amini as cam you can afford to play a winger who is weak finisher but strong in other areas like creativity and bpo. In any case more thought needs to be put into the combination of players that are put out there

Also rogic is only 2 weeks too old for this generation and Ryan is only about 7 months too old. So plenty of talent coming through.

We lack a striker though of course. Our biggest weakness coming through.

how the fuck did we lose.

If im honest i still think there's enough quality there to do the job. I wouldn't say irvine and Degenek would be substantial upgrades on what we have

Wasn't Vidmar a defensive style coach in the a-league??

So if our new philosophy is suppose to be attacking why is he coaching our young kids??

We need an attacking manager who knows how to attack

On a positive spin on listing these three teams is that we've never, ever had depth like this before. I'm astonished.

Oz currently has few good players in the 26- 33 year old age group - not many outside Burns, Millsy, Jedi, McKay, Eugene, Kruse, Vuka,. Now one notices this age group pf 20 -23 are supplanting this older age group in the HAL. Many of the experienced players in this older age group in the HAL are quality imports from Spain, Holland, France, South America or the Balkans.

I'm up to looking at the play just before half time.

Interesting to see Vidmar using players not playing for HAL clubs in preference over players playing more regularly for the same clubs.:?

The Olyroos look disjointed after the defensive line tries to play through midfield when Oz has the ball . It is like a team who don't know each other. I've seen nearly all the HAL players in that team play far better in the HAL, or ACL, with more experienced teammates.

Hoole is not reading McLaren's runs.

Brillante, Donachie, Edwards and Ugarkovic are making heaps of mistakes in possession and not reading their team-mates' intentions when trying to play forwards.

I cannot believe that Vidmar us not using O'Neill as the fulcrum of his team in midfield, given that he has been playing well for a successful HAL team?:?

Donachie, Pain, Galloway, Brillante, Galloway have all played a lot better in deferent scenarios, and, some off them have not been playing enough at club level recently.

Also, Brillante, Edwards and Ugarkovic's movement off the ball is inadequate in opening effective passing lanes consistently enough forte team to play forwards .

Maybe Vidmar has worked on a core team, but that core's club scenarios have changed relative to other players, who are playing more regular club football, but are unfamiliar with his core team or game plan ?

Gersbach looks good going forwards, but his 1v1 defensive performance isn't as good.

How is Gallifuoco playing, when he has played so little time compared to other CBs of the same age? At this stage he has looked okay, but not assured.

The pitch is very bouncy, so it really rests players' technique.

Given there are still heaps of young players with talent, like Melling, Retre, Garrucio, Blackwood, Josh McDonald, Hagi Gligor, plus the Euroepeans disallowed, not in this team, the rest of this lot who are playing regular football will be introduced into an experienced Socceroo team unit at senior level in the future with players who know their own game and the team structure so well - Cahill, Milligan, McKay, Spira, Jedi, Ryan, to help ease them in.

Edited by Decentric: 15/1/2016 09:47:45 AM

our results are youth level don't surprise me anymore. The only thing that surprises me is when they do well.

I fell asleep 30 minutes in, should I bother and watch the entire match?

He certainly was in the ACL.

However, Ange I think now has jurisdiction over his tenure as a coach.

Maybe its time the FFA took youth football more seriously when it comes to our youth teams, the NC is a great tool at grassroots level but the level coaching required at the NT level needs to me looked at.

Should Ange take in charge of the youth teams as well especially the u23s?

I don't think but i have never rated the Vidmar brothers as well as Okon to implement the attacking mentality and football which is needed.

Big job, but I think Ange is overseeing them isn't he?

The biggest question for me is why did Vidmar pick his on paper second string team against our toughest group opponent? Does he think the OS players were not match fit as some of the HAL players?

Unless we can hire a coach like Gombau or any foreign that can play attacking football, Ange is really the best perhaps the only option that could implement an attacking, possession based(with purpose) with our youth teams.

Especially the u23s.

Looking at the game now, i can see why we could not create chances where the players are mostly staying in their positions and the movement is static.

It's fine in the build up but in the attacking third is where you need to be instinctive and creative, maybe our players can't do this or they have been shackled by the coaching staff especially Vidmar.

Still don't understand why we played such a shit line-up...

Aftre seeing the rest of the game I cannot believe we lost it, despite our shortcomings. ](*,)

The Olyroos dominated the second half, and should've created a few more clear cut chances. McLaren's runs were often unseen by teammates.

Even though our Olympic campaign looks shaky, there are is far more potential in the Olyroo line up of playing senior international football than the UAE team.

That should never be a barometer for measuring potential.

The side we put out was a weak one, far inferior to the best 23 and under players we have at our disposal. Granted many of the top players couldn't get released from their clubs and/or are injured.

Just zero going forward. How can a team with so much possession have no ability to link with its striker?
Got the ball in behind on numerous occasions and no clue what to do after that.
Almost no ability to go forward in the final third through the centre until Amini came off the bench.
Edwards looked like the only player that was prepared to keep running the length of the pitch.

When was the last time an Olyroos team led by Vidmar in a tournament actually scored a goal?
Has an Olyroos team led by Vidmar ever scored a goal in a tournament?


Edited by SWandP: 15/1/2016 11:52:45 AM

not in a final stage they have scored in qualifying

as i said in the previous the team selection makes it difficult to see where the goals are coming from

edwards isn't particularly creative as a cam more of a terrier and maclaren contributes little in buildup but both are reasonable finishers playing them both with twin 6's meant there was 0 creativity in the middle
also our wingers in pain and hoole haven't scored many (if any?) a league goals
it isn't clear where our goals were supposed to come from. This is not a critique of the individual players just that the combination of them doesn't make sense
other commentators have said that apart from maclarens off the ball runs which team mates didn't pick up (he is very good at that for the roar) a lot of attacking players just stuck to their positions making them easy for defenders to track

Totally agree with all you have said.

It's like the Coach decided to implement the possession game without a clue on how to utilise possession to win a game.
Going into the first game of a tournament with your second string side on the field to "rest" players is insane. The first game is the one where your opponents will be physically and mentally at their peak and the one that most often defines the final outcome.

Gallifuoco

Can't believe I stayed up. If Gallifuoco can't get time on the bench why was he added ffs.

Was a weird clearence attempt. One made you'd think because of a lack of game time, confidence, assurance and self-awareness

Yep.

products score goal. We don't worry about the specifics of which end it was at.

This is what i want to see in the next game.

Given they had problems combining in the front third with the front three and had problems keeping the ball from the second to the third they need some control and the ability to penetrate into the last line from midfield.
We need more forward runs going into the box from the front 3 too.

Also i would like to see how Deng would go in place of GG or Donachie, he's quite efficient on 1v1 defending.


---------------------------------------Duncan----------------------------------


Galloway--------------Deng-------------------------GG----------------------Gersbach-------


-------------------------------------Brillante--------------------------------------


-------------------------Antonis----------------------Amini---------------------------


Borrello------------------------------McLaren------------------------------Hoole--------


Three points:

Borrello and McLaren have a good understanding, they should be like in the first game.

Gersbach and Hoole on the left given their understanding on that side, with Pain and Gersbach given both want to hug the touchline and they struggled to combine and often turn the ball over.

Brillante as No.6 should just protect the back 4, Antonis as the controlling No.8 who can forward when needed and Amini(No.10) as the creative outlet when combining with the front 3, also has the ability to play killer passes to feed the likes of Borrello and McLaren and Gersbach overlapping Hoole.
Edwards or Mauk should be brought on either in midfield or in the front 3 when looking to combine better with the other attackers.

If they going to play this way basically they need better combinations in the last third and better control when playing into the midfield lines.



Edited by Barca4life: 15/1/2016 02:22:05 PM

Was watching the Saudi v Thai match. Geez, quite a few Thais were at that match.

live the above formation, tactically though VIdmar better come up with sometihng better or hoof it to Maclaren.

THat's a better game plan than that atrocious display last night

standard, static movement we created little for all the possession we had. Seen this far too many times in the past 5 years or so.

second string side or not a lot of teams are playing with missing players in this tournament.

every time we find excuses every time. Poor pitch, humidity, too cold, food poisoning, not our first time etc hate it.

Hope we see a much improved performance against Vietnam. I still have faith in the squad selected.

Edited by jonomv: 15/1/2016 02:44:45 PM

looking at squawka stats for a league players
a best a league outfield team based purely on this season would be

-geria-elsey-chapman-gersbach-
---mauk--o'neill-Liam rose-----
---borello-maclaren-garuccio-

stats of course don't show everything of course
any surprises here? If I'm not mistaken only 2 players from the above were in vidmars starting 11