Adam Goodes is the face of an issue Australia must confront


Adam Goodes is the face of an issue Australia must confront

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BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
As someone who doesn't follow AFL at all, and have only heard about this via the news etc, could some please explain to me how is "booing" a player racist? Or is it more than just "booing"? Is there racial taunts etc also being directed at Goodes also (if yes, like what?).

He played over 300 games without this happening. Then in indigenous round 2013 a 13 year old girl used a racial slur against him. He pointed her out to security. People started to turn on him labeling him a bully.

Then he pointed out some historical facts in his AOTY speech that upset some people.

Then indigenous round this year he did a dance to celebrate his culture. Ever since that night he's been mercilessly booed every single time he's touched the ball. To the point that he's stepped away from the game, and indigenous athletes in all codes have vowed to come out support him.

But apparently it's because he stages for free kicks, despite over 160 players getting more free kicks than him this season.

I challenge anyone to watch the Marngrook Footy Show from last night and still say it's not a racial matter.

Edit: on the last part, just this weekend he was told to go back to the zoo by a fan in the crowd. Who of course claimed it wasn't a racial slur.

Edited by 99 Problems: 31/7/2015 02:56:41 PM
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Dan_The_Red wrote:
Since we stole their land? I didn't steal any bodies land, infuriates me when I find myself included in such talk. I'm born here, I've paid for everything I've got and anybody who accuses me of 'stealing their land' can go fuck themselves with a hunting knife.


+1.

I have just as much right to say 'This is my country' as Adam Goodes, second-generation Australians from Asia, Europe, Africa or a full-blooded Aboriginal. Unfortunately, there are a concerning amount of people in this country who think that to be white and NOT filled with a deep sense of self-loathing and a need to apologise for it every week is racist by default. Yes there was terrible shit done 200 years ago, but there's nothing we can do about that now. Continuing to bring it up and have people rub it in our noses like dog shit only creates divisions and groups people into 'us' and 'them' based on race- and isn't that what we're trying to free ourselves from in the first place?

Said it before and I'll say it again: while I think it's excessive for people to boo Goodes every time he touches the ball, and while no doubt there's a racist element who have been harassing him up until now, the majority of people booing him are doing so because there's a lot of people in this country who won't have a bar of being told who they can and can't voice their disapproval of. It also has to do with the fact the the sort of people telling the masses "If you boo Adam Goodes you are a RACIST!" are (by and large) these sorts of wankers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMTkedIUX8U



Edited by Captain Haddock: 31/7/2015 03:48:00 PM

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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
Hard to believe in 2015 people still haven't learnt to think for themselves.


10% of the population it would seem, going from the last federal election...

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Captain Haddock wrote:
the majority of people booing him are doing so because there's a lot of people in this country who won't have a bar of being told who they can and can't voice their disapproval of.



Is that by consensus? I'm not troubled by consensus.

Consensus (and those who use it to formulate their opinions) can f**k off.




Edited by munrubenmuz: 31/7/2015 03:54:51 PM


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Correct, and in this case, I'm glad I'm not the only person who feels the way I do about it. Adam Goodes is not a protected species and shouldn't be treated as such.

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u4486662 wrote:
433 wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
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Dan_The_Red wrote:
Since we stole their land? I didn't steal any bodies land, infuriates me when I find myself included in such talk. I'm born here, I've paid for everything I've got and anybody who accuses me of 'stealing their land' can go fuck themselves with a hunting knife.


Don't worry mate, the vast majority of people are too stupid to grasp the concept of the conquerors right to rule.

Vae Victus bitches.

I'm gonna come and conquer your land.


Good luck m80

No luck needed. I have already conquered your land.

I don't follow.
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Tard News wrote:
I agree that soccer can show the AFL a thing or two about diversity....

In saying that, a lot of the gripe with Goodes is to do with fact that he nationally humiliated 1a 13 year old girl at the MCG....then gets awarded Australian of the Year, as a result.

That’s the street level gripe with him, and the media (most of them) is trying to Engineer the story into something else.


If a) her parents didn't set her straight and b) the hundreds of people around her didn't set her straight, then Goodes has done her and hundreds of thousands of Aussies a great service by what he did.

Fully deserving of the Aussies of the year award, whatever the fuck that is.

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99 Problems wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
As someone who doesn't follow AFL at all, and have only heard about this via the news etc, could some please explain to me how is "booing" a player racist? Or is it more than just "booing"? Is there racial taunts etc also being directed at Goodes also (if yes, like what?).

He played over 300 games without this happening. Then in indigenous round 2013 a 13 year old girl used a racial slur against him. He pointed her out to security. People started to turn on him labeling him a bully.

Then he pointed out some historical facts in his AOTY speech that upset some people.

Then indigenous round this year he did a dance to celebrate his culture. Ever since that night he's been mercilessly booed every single time he's touched the ball. To the point that he's stepped away from the game, and indigenous athletes in all codes have vowed to come out support him.

But apparently it's because he stages for free kicks, despite over 160 players getting more free kicks than him this season.

I challenge anyone to watch the Marngrook Footy Show from last night and still say it's not a racial matter.

Edit: on the last part, just this weekend he was told to go back to the zoo by a fan in the crowd. Who of course claimed it wasn't a racial slur.

Edited by 99 Problems: 31/7/2015 02:56:41 PM

Has there ever been a white player, who stages for free kicks as much as Goodes does, booed as much as him?

If not, then a component of the booing must be either about his race, and/or people not like being told what to do, or a combination of those two things.

There is a final element. And that is the people booing him cos "they don't like him". Or cos he called out the 13 year old girl, or he has been critical of white Australia's past. These people don't realise they are being racist.

I still have great difficulty in seeing how someone can be disliked who has been a champion for his people, a two time brownlow medalist, a former Australian of the year and someone who speaks well in the media. You would've thought the guy must be belting his missus or something. Even a drug fucked train wreck like Ben Cousins didn't cop this much abuse.
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Munrubenmuz wrote:
Before the character assassinations begin let me state a few caveats:

I am no AFL fan.
I have not been following this closely (though how could you not hear about it).
I am not saying this is exactly the reason why people are booing but a part explanation.

Back before most of the posters here were born there was a charming cricketer named Richard Hadlee who was tearing the Australians a new arsehole in just about every game he played in the late 80's.

Spontaneously the chant "Hadlee's a wanker" sprang up at the MCG.

Hadlee called out the Australian crowd and the rest is history. Every where that Hadlee went the chant followed him. Newspaper articles by the dozen were written, TV interviews conducted, there was a great wailing and gnashing of teeth, A Current Affair and whatever the Channel 7 equivalent was ran stories about it and the cricket commentators even chimed in to say enough is enough. All it did was embolden the crowd to become louder and more vociferous ever time Hadlee played.

None of the appeals helped one iota.

If nothing else it made it worse.

What's this got to do with that?

Whilst I think there's no doubt a racist element who are unhappy about an aboriginal Australian pointing out some uncomfortable truths I believe there's a shitload of people who are booing him simply because they're giving the great Australian "Fuck You" to the people who are saying "stop booing".

[size=8]Let's face it, most of us don't like being told what to do[/size]. In this case it happens to be an AFL crowd.

"Who the fuck are you to tell me what to do? BOOOOOOO!!!!"

[youtube]BksynLxr79o[/youtube]

A great article describing the above and the shenanigans that used to go on at the cricket.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/6576718/remember-the-good-times/

You young blokes don't realise how much fun it used to be back in the day and what you're missing out on.




Edited by munrubenmuz: 31/7/2015 03:27:21 PM


these people have been booing for the last 18 months

this is racially motivated


Edited by conm: 31/7/2015 09:10:28 PM
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u4486662 wrote:

If not, then a component of the booing must be either about his race, and/or people not like being told what to do, or a combination of those two things.


People boo to put him off. People boo every footy player to put them off. This issue is only becoming racial because Adam is so outspoken. Is it because of racist undertones? Maybe some of it is.

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There is a final element. And that is the people booing him cos "they don't like him". Or cos he called out the 13 year old girl, or he has been critical of white Australia's past. These people don't realise they are being racist.


The one about people disliking him for calling out racism is a joke. He is 100% justified for calling that girl out. He should have had a good crack at the parents for raising a racist child.

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I still have great difficulty in seeing how someone can be disliked who has been a champion for his people, a two time brownlow medalist, a former Australian of the year and someone who speaks well in the media. You would've thought the guy must be belting his missus or something. Even a drug fucked train wreck like Ben Cousins didn't cop this much abuse.


Is it so hard to comprehend that he has a personality that puts people off? Shane Warne is the greatest bowler ever and I can't stand him. Why does it have to be about race all the time?
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99 Problems wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
As someone who doesn't follow AFL at all, and have only heard about this via the news etc, could some please explain to me how is "booing" a player racist? Or is it more than just "booing"? Is there racial taunts etc also being directed at Goodes also (if yes, like what?).

He played over 300 games without this happening. Then in indigenous round 2013 a 13 year old girl used a racial slur against him. He pointed her out to security. People started to turn on him labeling him a bully.

Then he pointed out some historical facts in his AOTY speech that upset some people.

Then indigenous round this year he did a dance to celebrate his culture. Ever since that night he's been mercilessly booed every single time he's touched the ball. To the point that he's stepped away from the game, and indigenous athletes in all codes have vowed to come out support him.

But apparently it's because he stages for free kicks, despite over 160 players getting more free kicks than him this season.

I challenge anyone to watch the Marngrook Footy Show from last night and still say it's not a racial matter.

Edit: on the last part, just this weekend he was told to go back to the zoo by a fan in the crowd. Who of course claimed it wasn't a racial slur.

Edited by 99 Problems: 31/7/2015 02:56:41 PM


Hmmmm... 300 games without being booed? Both gf vs west coast he was consistently booed. In geelong there was the pin the dildo on goodesy after being seen in fantasy lane... wouldn't be anything if it was a cats supporter or anyone else but no one like goodesy. He got his boos at kardinia.

i do find it interesting with the west coast booing. The perth clubs are fairly unattached from the rest of the league, not in a bad way its just they don't seem to follow the trends of the eastern clubs . I always thought there was an underlying negative view of goodes in the west. In geelong he's not far behind ballentyne who is just as vigourously booed... along with johnno brown in the day.
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scubaroo wrote:
99 Problems wrote:
BrisbaneBhoy wrote:
As someone who doesn't follow AFL at all, and have only heard about this via the news etc, could some please explain to me how is "booing" a player racist? Or is it more than just "booing"? Is there racial taunts etc also being directed at Goodes also (if yes, like what?).

He played over 300 games without this happening. Then in indigenous round 2013 a 13 year old girl used a racial slur against him. He pointed her out to security. People started to turn on him labeling him a bully.

Then he pointed out some historical facts in his AOTY speech that upset some people.

Then indigenous round this year he did a dance to celebrate his culture. Ever since that night he's been mercilessly booed every single time he's touched the ball. To the point that he's stepped away from the game, and indigenous athletes in all codes have vowed to come out support him.

But apparently it's because he stages for free kicks, despite over 160 players getting more free kicks than him this season.

I challenge anyone to watch the Marngrook Footy Show from last night and still say it's not a racial matter.

Edit: on the last part, just this weekend he was told to go back to the zoo by a fan in the crowd. Who of course claimed it wasn't a racial slur.

Edited by 99 Problems: 31/7/2015 02:56:41 PM


Hmmmm... 300 games without being booed? Both gf vs west coast he was consistently booed. In geelong there was the pin the dildo on goodesy after being seen in fantasy lane... wouldn't be anything if it was a cats supporter or anyone else but no one like goodesy. He got his boos at kardinia.

i do find it interesting with the west coast booing. The perth clubs are fairly unattached from the rest of the league, not in a bad way its just they don't seem to follow the trends of the eastern clubs . I always thought there was an underlying negative view of goodes in the west. In geelong he's not far behind ballentyne who is just as vigourously booed... along with johnno brown in the day.

You're right, he has been booed. But it was by a far smaller minority, and for clear reasons. He was one of the best for years, which always brings boos from rival fans, especially in big games. It's why I didn't think anything major of it when Hawks fans did it this year. He also did some ordinary things on the field, and rightfully copped it from opposition fans at the time. these acts weren't terrible though, I can confidently say at no stage has he ever been the dirtiest player on our list.

But this is different. He's been booed everytime he's touched it for almost a season. And without any new on field incident happening to justify it. I've been following not just AFL, but all codes in Australia my entire life, and have never seen anything like it in the modern game.
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The Age not sitting on the fence with tomorrow's front page:


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u4486662 wrote:

If not, then a component of the booing must be either about his race, and/or people not like being told what to do, or a combination of those two things.


People boo to put him off. People boo every footy player to put them off. This issue is only becoming racial because Adam is so outspoken. Is it because of racist undertones? Maybe some of it is.

u4486662 wrote:

There is a final element. And that is the people booing him cos "they don't like him". Or cos he called out the 13 year old girl, or he has been critical of white Australia's past. These people don't realise they are being racist.


The one about people disliking him for calling out racism is a joke. He is 100% justified for calling that girl out. He should have had a good crack at the parents for raising a racist child.

u4486662 wrote:

I still have great difficulty in seeing how someone can be disliked who has been a champion for his people, a two time brownlow medalist, a former Australian of the year and someone who speaks well in the media. You would've thought the guy must be belting his missus or something. Even a drug fucked train wreck like Ben Cousins didn't cop this much abuse.


Is it so hard to comprehend that he has a personality that puts people off? Shane Warne is the greatest bowler ever and I can't stand him. Why does it have to be about race all the time?

What's wrong with his personality? Honestly? Warney is a dill and a womaniser who has often put his foot in it with his outlandish behaviour. What has Adam Goodes done that was so wrong? The way i see it, is people don't like him standing up against racism. They think he should suck it up and move on. That's really tragic. Also no one is being booed like Adam Goodes. Has there ever been a player who has copped this much abuse?
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At the end of the day this whole epsidode and numerous memes , posts, talk back at al is now there just humilate goodes. This has gone to far now
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
At the end of the day this whole epsidode and numerous memes , posts, talk back at al is now there just humilate goodes. This has gone to far now

The media exploited the situation perfectly for themselves, they've got their cake (the story) and theyve eaten it too (the money)
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Tard News wrote:
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I agree that soccer can show the AFL a thing or two about diversity....

In saying that, a lot of the gripe with Goodes is to do with fact that he nationally humiliated 1a 13 year old girl at the MCG....then gets awarded Australian of the Year, as a result.

That’s the street level gripe with him, and the media (most of them) is trying to Engineer the story into something else.


If a) her parents didn't set her straight and b) the hundreds of people around her didn't set her straight, then Goodes has done her and hundreds of thousands of Aussies a great service by what he did.

Fully deserving of the Aussies of the year award, whatever the fuck that is.


Yeah that 13 year old sure needed a belting and a good lesson learnt. I mean, Victoria Police only interviewed her for two hours after the event, without parental presence as well. She sure needed a lesson that girl.

The same girl who spoke to Adam on the phone afterwards. The same girl who wrote him a letter after that phone call to thank him. The same girl who Adam Goodes said was completely innocent in the matter and needed more support than anyone else THE VERY NEXT MORNING.

But no you're right, I saw Goodes duck off at three quarter time and tell security to separate her from her parents and then tell police to question her, even though he immediately dismissed the idea of charging her later. Now that I think about, he's lucky he's getting off this lightly. Perhaps police could charge him for harassing the girl. It's certainly worth looking into.
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99 Problems wrote:
Tard News wrote:
Eldar wrote:
Tard News wrote:
I agree that soccer can show the AFL a thing or two about diversity....

In saying that, a lot of the gripe with Goodes is to do with fact that he nationally humiliated 1a 13 year old girl at the MCG....then gets awarded Australian of the Year, as a result.

That’s the street level gripe with him, and the media (most of them) is trying to Engineer the story into something else.


If a) her parents didn't set her straight and b) the hundreds of people around her didn't set her straight, then Goodes has done her and hundreds of thousands of Aussies a great service by what he did.

Fully deserving of the Aussies of the year award, whatever the fuck that is.


Yeah that 13 year old sure needed a belting and a good lesson learnt. I mean, Victoria Police only interviewed her for two hours after the event, without parental presence as well. She sure needed a lesson that girl.

The same girl who spoke to Adam on the phone afterwards. The same girl who wrote him a letter after that phone call to thank him. The same girl who Adam Goodes said was completely innocent in the matter and needed more support than anyone else THE VERY NEXT MORNING.

But no you're right, I saw Goodes duck off at three quarter time and tell security to separate her from her parents and then tell police to question her, even though he immediately dismissed the idea of charging her later. Now that I think about, he's lucky he's getting off this lightly. Perhaps police could charge him for harassing the girl. It's certainly worth looking into.

New footage emerging of someone fitting Adam Goodes's description seen on the grassy knoll.
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u4486662 wrote:
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If not, then a component of the booing must be either about his race, and/or people not like being told what to do, or a combination of those two things.


People boo to put him off. People boo every footy player to put them off. This issue is only becoming racial because Adam is so outspoken. Is it because of racist undertones? Maybe some of it is.

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There is a final element. And that is the people booing him cos "they don't like him". Or cos he called out the 13 year old girl, or he has been critical of white Australia's past. These people don't realise they are being racist.


The one about people disliking him for calling out racism is a joke. He is 100% justified for calling that girl out. He should have had a good crack at the parents for raising a racist child.

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I still have great difficulty in seeing how someone can be disliked who has been a champion for his people, a two time brownlow medalist, a former Australian of the year and someone who speaks well in the media. You would've thought the guy must be belting his missus or something. Even a drug fucked train wreck like Ben Cousins didn't cop this much abuse.


Is it so hard to comprehend that he has a personality that puts people off? Shane Warne is the greatest bowler ever and I can't stand him. Why does it have to be about race all the time?

What's wrong with his personality? Honestly? Warney is a dill and a womaniser who has often put his foot in it with his outlandish behaviour. What has Adam Goodes done that was so wrong? The way i see it, is people don't like him standing up against racism. They think he should suck it up and move on. That's really tragic. Also no one is being booed like Adam Goodes. Has there ever been a player who has copped this much abuse?


I just think that he turns everything celebrating indigenous culture into celebrating Adam Goodes. I think his ego wouldn't fit in a dump truck. Warney is a complete dick with a massive ego who is also celebrated as a hero.

It's all too convenient to ignore any real criticism and go for the easy option of telling people they're racist.

Paul Gallen in QLD cops more abuse ;)
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The only solution to this is for the AFL to impose points penalties on those clubs that cant control their racist fans.
West Coast Eagles obviously would be first candidate.
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Goodes' dance was acceptable because he was simply showing pride in his heritage... Somehow there's a different rule in Australia if you heritage isn't the game as Goodes'...


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Benjamin wrote:
Goodes' dance was acceptable because he was simply showing pride in his heritage... Somehow there's a different rule in Australia if you heritage isn't the game as Goodes'...


That is a terrible choice benjamin. You know what that means to croatians and bosnians dont you??
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You know what that means to croatians and bosnians dont you??


The same thing it means here. Scissors beats paper but rock beats scissors.


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Munrubenmuz wrote:
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You know what that means to croatians and bosnians dont you??


The same thing it means here. Scissors beats paper but rock beats scissors.

Don't be daft. Its the symbol the serbian paramilitary did.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
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You know what that means to croatians and bosnians dont you??


The same thing it means here. Scissors beats paper but rock beats scissors.

Don't be daft. Its the symbol the serbian paramilitary did.


Just brilliant.

LOL.


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Munrubenmuz wrote:
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You know what that means to croatians and bosnians dont you??


The same thing it means here. Scissors beats paper but rock beats scissors.

Don't be daft. Its the symbol the serbian paramilitary did.


Just brilliant.

LOL.

Man i knew you could he childish but to laugh at a that is horrible. Would you laugh if a sieg heil is done to a openly jewish player? Grow up
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
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You know what that means to croatians and bosnians dont you??


The same thing it means here. Scissors beats paper but rock beats scissors.

Don't be daft. Its the symbol the serbian paramilitary did.


Just brilliant.

LOL.

Man i knew you could he childish but to laugh at a that is horrible. Would you laugh if a sieg heil is done to a openly jewish player? Grow up


I'm not laughing at that you retarded mong. I'm laughing at your inability to spot a joke about rock, scissors paper.

And you call me thick.




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FMD you two.

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Munrubenmuz wrote:
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You know what that means to croatians and bosnians dont you??


The same thing it means here. Scissors beats paper but rock beats scissors.


Without the PC bullshit... this would have to be one of my favorite posts for a while
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