Fuck me. I'm not arguing any of tha Russ.

SocaWho pooh-poohed McJules ability to feel something for someone he never met.

I threw up the empathy definition because obviously someone who went to school on the special bus has not come across this simple word before.

Just out of interest does the #batsout (or whatever it was) for Phillip Hughes thing meet this definition?

It was like something out of a fictional novel...the person who made the hashtag (if I'm mistaken) first claimed to comfort the passenger with the hijab and engage in dialogue...only to admit she lied and fabricated the sequence of events in her own mind whilst watching the passenger the whole time without engaging in any dialogue.

That was an act of mourning and respect, not self indulgence.

In your opinion.

In my opinion it was an over rated wankfest that meets exactly the definition above. Some celebrity putting his bat out and taking a photo of it to "show" how he feels about it all.

What a wank. What's wrong with sending a card or a bunch of flowers or ringing up his mum or dad or something if they cared so much.

More about b grade celebrity wankers self promoting themselves rather than doing anything concrete. Bunch of arse from start to finish.

In your opinion.

In my opinion it was an over rated wankfest that meets exactly the definition above. Some celebrity putting his bat out and taking a photo of it to "show" how he feels about it all.

What a wank. What's wrong with sending a card or a bunch of flowers or ringing up his mum or dad or something if they cared so much.

More about b grade celebrity wankers self promoting themselves rather than doing anything concrete. Bunch of arse from start to finish.

Genuine question - those bagging the hashtag campaigns, how does it relate to the broader question?

My 2 cents is - there were probably people doing it for genuine reasons. But of course people jumped all over it for social media brownie points, that happens for everything....

Remember #Kony2012 ???

Not sure why a simple benign word like 'assimilate' evokes such an extreme reaction, nor what the Republic debate has got to do with anything.

If the government wants people to "Assimilate" and surrender their religion, culture and values and join the rest of the indistinguishable herd of individualist consumers then why the big show and dance about "Multiculturalism".

Why not call a spade a spade and brand it something like "Assimilationism" if that's your intent.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/muslim-children-walk-out-when-national-anthem-is-sung/story-fni0fit3-1227582881588


You've got to be kidding ](*,)

Assimilationism - That is an unusual word, and not recognised by spellcheck. I wonder if I can find it somewhere else?

https://crushzion.k0nsl.org/was-mustafa-kemal-ataturk-a-jew-as-claimed-by-the-enemy-jew-khilafah-muslims-and-armenians/

A new word and I learnt that Kemal Ataturk was a secret Jew, all heil Unshackled, the great teacher. (And not at all a neo-nazi)

Hasbara shills are trained to convert sunset into sunrise and vice versa.

These Hasbara trolls oppose free speech and try to suppress open and free debate and instead replace it with their own hasbara wash and spin.

There is a unique method to their madness, and you don’t need any acuity to spot this .

They will engage in stages as per their covert blue book.

First stage - Guilt by association, that your source is an established anti-semite.

Second stage - They will give you a golden opportunity to redeem yourself. Such a fortuitous offer to recant from your naive ways and repent.

Third stage : They will go on a vicious smear campaign and insult you.

Last stage : Total character assassination.

Islam in geneal has no place in the modern world where everthing is evovling at such a rapid rate.

No

Yes.

Islam in geneal has no place in the modern world where everthing is evovling at such a rapid rate.

You can't honestly tell me these kids spend a whole month without listening to or playing music on their iPhones, and their (non-muslim) friend's houses, while watching TV (x-factor/the voice).... you get my point.

Such an inflexible and intolerant religion is the problem, and the sooner the wilder community wakes up and takes a stand for Islamists to change the way they interupt the Koran, nothing will change - starting with the elders/mufti's, then the parents, lastly the kids (not really their fault here).

If Islam is your religion, I'd love to hear your take on this view, and if you think some of Islams hard line attitudes to modern day "freedoms" enjoyed in western societies is to blame, or is it something else?

The Left are a weird lot...you have the real victims (who were shot in Martin Place) whose families are mourning them, yet you have the Left feeling sorry for a lady from a fictional scenario of a hashtag sentiment that was dreamt up by someone with a self validating imagination...yet McJules talks straw man arguments.:roll:

Edited by SocaWho: 27/10/2015 02:45:37 PM

You can't walk and chew gum at the same time? Its impossible to feel empathy for both the victims of the Martin Place siege AND people who might be scared from a public backlash? Why must we choose one over the other?

And who cares if the hashtag person made it up. There are numerous examples on the public record of assaults of muslims on public transport, in particular women having their headwear ripped off. That isn't imaginary.

You're wasting your time with this flog. Couldn't make a coherent argument if his life depended on it.

You're wasting your time with this flog. Couldn't make a coherent argument if his life depended on it.

Getting your headwear ripped off is infinitely preferable to having your head hacked off. #Illridewithyou

Getting your headwear ripped off is infinitely preferable to having your head hacked off. #Illridewithyou

More like:

How can I exploit this tragedy to make myself appear more tolerant and multicultural?

Can you really be tolerant if no-one can see how awesome and tolerant you are?

You can't walk and chew gum at the same time? Its impossible to feel empathy for both the victims of the Martin Place siege AND people who might be scared from a public backlash? Why must we choose one over the other?

And who cares if the hashtag person made it up. There are numerous examples on the public record of assaults of muslims on public transport, in particular women having their headwear ripped off. That isn't imaginary.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/an-atheist-and-muslim-call-on-all-muslims-to-help-reform-islam-so-it-is-more-modern-not-used-for-evil/story-e6frfmyi-1227586147786

An atheist and Muslim call on all Muslims to help reform Islam so it is more modern, not used for evil
16 MINUTES AGOOCTOBER 28, 2015

Calling for change ... Maajid Nawaz, a former Islamist member of Hizb-ut-Tahrir. Picture: Supplied
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MUSLIMS have been called on to accept Islam must be reformed to become more modern and tolerant, instead of it being used it to justify extreme acts of evil.
Sam Harris, an atheist, author and neuroscientist, and Maajid Nawaz, a former Islamist member of Hizb-ut-Tahrir, appeared on Lateline after they co-wrote a book together titled Islam and the Future of Tolerance: a Dialogue.
The men, who also founded the anti-extremist think-tank The Quilliam Foundation, argue that Islam has failed to modernise, and Islamism — the desire to impose any version of Islam over society — “has to be named and shamed”.
Mr Nawaz compared Islamism to Voldemort, the evil character that haunted and tried to take Harry Potter’s life.
In J.K. Rowling’s books, Harry is the only one allowed to name Voldemort and recognise his existence. Others are too afraid and refuse to believe in him.
Mr Nawaz said we mustn’t get to the point where we cannot even name what Islamism is. Instead, it must be recognised and removed from society.
“When we’re dealing with the challenge that we call Islamism, if we get to a situation where the president of the United States cannot even bring himself to name this ideology, we cannot even begin to tackle it. So what we’ve been doing with the British government is focusing on getting the British government and the prime minister to recognise that there is an ideology,” he said.
“This ideology is called Islamism. It needs to be isolated from whichever interpretation of Islam Muslims may happen to subscribe to and then it needs to be challenged, because we are indeed engaged in an ideological war.”
Calling on Muslims to help ... Sam Harris on Lateline. Picture: Supplied
Calling on Muslims to help ... Sam Harris on Lateline. Picture: SuppliedSource:ABC
Mr Harris agreed, saying Muslims needed to change the way they also view their own religion. “We as Muslims have a task ahead of us, a monumental task ahead of us, and that is to begin the process of adapting, reinterpreting our scriptures for the modern day and age,” he said.
“Islamism must be intellectually terminated, whereas Islam the religion simply must be reformed to adjust to modernity. Unfortunately many Muslims today instead of rising to that challenge are incredibly defensive when it comes to this.”
In reverencing the Taliban’s attack on a school in Pakistan last year where 132 children were killed, Mr Harris said Islam needed to move away from the traditional notion that paradise can be found in the afterlife.
“A sincere belief in paradise really takes the guard rails off civilisation. You become undeterrable by death and you think that it’s impossible to kill the wrong people because if you blow up a crowd of even Muslim children, as a Muslim, well you’ve sent the children to paradise and you’ve sent all the bad people to hell which is where god wants them, so it’s impossible to kill the wrong people,” he said.
This world is just fit to be destroyed because there’s nothing about it that matters in light of eternity.”
Mr Harris also criticised the way Islam portrays the Prophet Mohammed as an “exemplar of the faith”.
He argued he was not a “hippie who got crucified”, nor was he a “mediator”.
“He was a war lord who did many of the things that you see members of ISIS doing,” he told the program.
“And that’s why they can kind of paint by numbers and justify what they’re doing. That’s a very inconvenient fact that we have to confront head on and find someway to disavow.”

He's gone on to also suggest I couldn't feel something for both the direct (i.e. Mr Chang and the people that died in the siege) and indirect victims of a tragedy (normal everyday Australian muslims who love this country). Strawman city.

Coming from someone who thinks having a few rogue imams going around and preaching hate is a harmless oversight as long as they are in the minority.:roll: ...why shouldn't I question your sentiments.

Edited by SocaWho: 29/10/2015 12:20:03 AM