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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:North western melbourne is over run by bikies, street gangs . No muslim gangs but a lot of middle eastern gangs. There is a difference Nike Bikies :oops:
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Eastern Glory wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:North western melbourne is over run by bikies, street gangs . No muslim gangs but a lot of middle eastern gangs. There is a difference Nike Bikies :oops: Nah brah kappa bikies :lol:
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Crusader wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:SocaWho wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:Whenever someone uses that word I always say "assimilation into what?"
The ironic thing is that one of the few rights our constitution does explicitly protect is freedom of religion. But instead of celebrating pluralism and diversity, white Australians expect immigrants to come here, drink VB, abandon their religious and cultural practices, get a southern cross tattoo, and act like a shitcunt at the AFL. It just goes to show you how spectacularly uninformed most Australians are.
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"Assimilation" was first used after the shutting down of Aboriginal missions and reserves in the 1950s. It reflected the idea that Aboriginal people now had equal freedom of movement, but they were discouraged from expressing traditional culture and beliefs. In other words you could have black skin but you were expected to act white - convert to Christianity, get a job, and sing God save the queen. The term was then used to describe the expectations of immigrants.
I don't know why people continue to think assimilation is okay. It's actually incompatible with our pluralist constitution. As long as nobody's human rights get breached, we should just leave people alone. Assimilation to me is "not running around killing innocent people in the name of religion" ...is that too much to ask....or should we legalise that too to pander to minorities. it doesnt matter if youre white,yellow , black , muslim, christian,etc...dont come to this country to fuck it up. practise whatever it is you want to practise, as long as you dont sprouting intent to kill people. how hard is that to get into your skull? Edited by Socawho: 31/10/2015 06:24:59 PM :lol: Point to where I said Muslims have the right to break the Australian law. Of course they don't. My point was that our constitution protects their right to free speech and to practice their religion. It also says that everyone gets a fair trial. When you become a citizen you also pledge your loyalty to Australia, it's laws and institutions. If you break the law you get punished. You seem to be in some moral panic that Muslims are destroying the country. Here's the good news - 2 Muslim extremists have committed terrible murders in the last 12 months. both were killed by the police. Meanwhile the other 450,000 Australian Muslims went about their daily business. Edited by lastbroadcast: 31/10/2015 08:40:23 PM I guess you haven't been to northwestern Melbourne, Bankstown or Auburn lately. Muslims in those areas aren't going about their daily business? :-k
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Lastbroadcast wrote:You seem to be in some moral panic that Muslims are destroying the country. Here's the good news - 2 Muslim extremists have committed terrible murders in the last 12 months. both were killed by the police. Meanwhile the other 450,000 Australian Muslims went about their daily business. And the more you move along the ideological scale towards the extreme right wing, the more irrational the thinking. It's like an irrationality 'volume control'
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Its a bit like Frank lowy and his cohorts passing the A league off as some champion of multiculturalism yet they have abolished and suppressed traditional clubs who serviced the game for decades for the crime of not being "Assimilated" enough.
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mcjules wrote:Crusader wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:SocaWho wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:Whenever someone uses that word I always say "assimilation into what?"
The ironic thing is that one of the few rights our constitution does explicitly protect is freedom of religion. But instead of celebrating pluralism and diversity, white Australians expect immigrants to come here, drink VB, abandon their religious and cultural practices, get a southern cross tattoo, and act like a shitcunt at the AFL. It just goes to show you how spectacularly uninformed most Australians are.
Let's not forget -
"Assimilation" was first used after the shutting down of Aboriginal missions and reserves in the 1950s. It reflected the idea that Aboriginal people now had equal freedom of movement, but they were discouraged from expressing traditional culture and beliefs. In other words you could have black skin but you were expected to act white - convert to Christianity, get a job, and sing God save the queen. The term was then used to describe the expectations of immigrants.
I don't know why people continue to think assimilation is okay. It's actually incompatible with our pluralist constitution. As long as nobody's human rights get breached, we should just leave people alone. Assimilation to me is "not running around killing innocent people in the name of religion" ...is that too much to ask....or should we legalise that too to pander to minorities. it doesnt matter if youre white,yellow , black , muslim, christian,etc...dont come to this country to fuck it up. practise whatever it is you want to practise, as long as you dont sprouting intent to kill people. how hard is that to get into your skull? Edited by Socawho: 31/10/2015 06:24:59 PM :lol: Point to where I said Muslims have the right to break the Australian law. Of course they don't. My point was that our constitution protects their right to free speech and to practice their religion. It also says that everyone gets a fair trial. When you become a citizen you also pledge your loyalty to Australia, it's laws and institutions. If you break the law you get punished. You seem to be in some moral panic that Muslims are destroying the country. Here's the good news - 2 Muslim extremists have committed terrible murders in the last 12 months. both were killed by the police. Meanwhile the other 450,000 Australian Muslims went about their daily business. Edited by lastbroadcast: 31/10/2015 08:40:23 PM I guess you haven't been to northwestern Melbourne, Bankstown or Auburn lately. Muslims in those areas aren't going about their daily business? :-k your level of ignorance knows no bounds when it comes to specifics, huge problems in Sydney.
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batfink wrote:mcjules wrote:Crusader wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:SocaWho wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:Whenever someone uses that word I always say "assimilation into what?"
The ironic thing is that one of the few rights our constitution does explicitly protect is freedom of religion. But instead of celebrating pluralism and diversity, white Australians expect immigrants to come here, drink VB, abandon their religious and cultural practices, get a southern cross tattoo, and act like a shitcunt at the AFL. It just goes to show you how spectacularly uninformed most Australians are.
Let's not forget -
"Assimilation" was first used after the shutting down of Aboriginal missions and reserves in the 1950s. It reflected the idea that Aboriginal people now had equal freedom of movement, but they were discouraged from expressing traditional culture and beliefs. In other words you could have black skin but you were expected to act white - convert to Christianity, get a job, and sing God save the queen. The term was then used to describe the expectations of immigrants.
I don't know why people continue to think assimilation is okay. It's actually incompatible with our pluralist constitution. As long as nobody's human rights get breached, we should just leave people alone. Assimilation to me is "not running around killing innocent people in the name of religion" ...is that too much to ask....or should we legalise that too to pander to minorities. it doesnt matter if youre white,yellow , black , muslim, christian,etc...dont come to this country to fuck it up. practise whatever it is you want to practise, as long as you dont sprouting intent to kill people. how hard is that to get into your skull? Edited by Socawho: 31/10/2015 06:24:59 PM :lol: Point to where I said Muslims have the right to break the Australian law. Of course they don't. My point was that our constitution protects their right to free speech and to practice their religion. It also says that everyone gets a fair trial. When you become a citizen you also pledge your loyalty to Australia, it's laws and institutions. If you break the law you get punished. You seem to be in some moral panic that Muslims are destroying the country. Here's the good news - 2 Muslim extremists have committed terrible murders in the last 12 months. both were killed by the police. Meanwhile the other 450,000 Australian Muslims went about their daily business. Edited by lastbroadcast: 31/10/2015 08:40:23 PM I guess you haven't been to northwestern Melbourne, Bankstown or Auburn lately. Muslims in those areas aren't going about their daily business? :-k your level of ignorance knows no bounds when it comes to specifics, huge problems in Sydney. :lol: You not liking how these people live is not a "problem". There are some issues with crime in the areas, especially as these people are distrusting of authority due to their background. In general though, they're abiding by the laws of the land. Let me know when you're not allowed to put one of your pigs on a spit or your wife has to cover her hair and then we can talk.
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mcjules wrote:batfink wrote:mcjules wrote:Crusader wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:SocaWho wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:Whenever someone uses that word I always say "assimilation into what?"
The ironic thing is that one of the few rights our constitution does explicitly protect is freedom of religion. But instead of celebrating pluralism and diversity, white Australians expect immigrants to come here, drink VB, abandon their religious and cultural practices, get a southern cross tattoo, and act like a shitcunt at the AFL. It just goes to show you how spectacularly uninformed most Australians are.
Let's not forget -
"Assimilation" was first used after the shutting down of Aboriginal missions and reserves in the 1950s. It reflected the idea that Aboriginal people now had equal freedom of movement, but they were discouraged from expressing traditional culture and beliefs. In other words you could have black skin but you were expected to act white - convert to Christianity, get a job, and sing God save the queen. The term was then used to describe the expectations of immigrants.
I don't know why people continue to think assimilation is okay. It's actually incompatible with our pluralist constitution. As long as nobody's human rights get breached, we should just leave people alone. Assimilation to me is "not running around killing innocent people in the name of religion" ...is that too much to ask....or should we legalise that too to pander to minorities. it doesnt matter if youre white,yellow , black , muslim, christian,etc...dont come to this country to fuck it up. practise whatever it is you want to practise, as long as you dont sprouting intent to kill people. how hard is that to get into your skull? Edited by Socawho: 31/10/2015 06:24:59 PM :lol: Point to where I said Muslims have the right to break the Australian law. Of course they don't. My point was that our constitution protects their right to free speech and to practice their religion. It also says that everyone gets a fair trial. When you become a citizen you also pledge your loyalty to Australia, it's laws and institutions. If you break the law you get punished. You seem to be in some moral panic that Muslims are destroying the country. Here's the good news - 2 Muslim extremists have committed terrible murders in the last 12 months. both were killed by the police. Meanwhile the other 450,000 Australian Muslims went about their daily business. Edited by lastbroadcast: 31/10/2015 08:40:23 PM I guess you haven't been to northwestern Melbourne, Bankstown or Auburn lately. Muslims in those areas aren't going about their daily business? :-k your level of ignorance knows no bounds when it comes to specifics, huge problems in Sydney. :lol: You not liking how these people live is not a "problem". There are some issues with crime in the areas, especially as these people are distrusting of authority due to their background. In general though, they're abiding by the laws of the land. Let me know when you're not allowed to put one of your pigs on a spit or your wife has to cover her hair and then we can talk. By the time that happens you won't be able to talk about it. Churches are regularly torched and vandalised in Sydney and the Armenian and Assyrian genocide memorials are vandalised on an almost weekly basis.
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Crusader wrote:mcjules wrote:batfink wrote:mcjules wrote:Crusader wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:SocaWho wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:Whenever someone uses that word I always say "assimilation into what?"
The ironic thing is that one of the few rights our constitution does explicitly protect is freedom of religion. But instead of celebrating pluralism and diversity, white Australians expect immigrants to come here, drink VB, abandon their religious and cultural practices, get a southern cross tattoo, and act like a shitcunt at the AFL. It just goes to show you how spectacularly uninformed most Australians are.
Let's not forget -
"Assimilation" was first used after the shutting down of Aboriginal missions and reserves in the 1950s. It reflected the idea that Aboriginal people now had equal freedom of movement, but they were discouraged from expressing traditional culture and beliefs. In other words you could have black skin but you were expected to act white - convert to Christianity, get a job, and sing God save the queen. The term was then used to describe the expectations of immigrants.
I don't know why people continue to think assimilation is okay. It's actually incompatible with our pluralist constitution. As long as nobody's human rights get breached, we should just leave people alone. Assimilation to me is "not running around killing innocent people in the name of religion" ...is that too much to ask....or should we legalise that too to pander to minorities. it doesnt matter if youre white,yellow , black , muslim, christian,etc...dont come to this country to fuck it up. practise whatever it is you want to practise, as long as you dont sprouting intent to kill people. how hard is that to get into your skull? Edited by Socawho: 31/10/2015 06:24:59 PM :lol: Point to where I said Muslims have the right to break the Australian law. Of course they don't. My point was that our constitution protects their right to free speech and to practice their religion. It also says that everyone gets a fair trial. When you become a citizen you also pledge your loyalty to Australia, it's laws and institutions. If you break the law you get punished. You seem to be in some moral panic that Muslims are destroying the country. Here's the good news - 2 Muslim extremists have committed terrible murders in the last 12 months. both were killed by the police. Meanwhile the other 450,000 Australian Muslims went about their daily business. Edited by lastbroadcast: 31/10/2015 08:40:23 PM I guess you haven't been to northwestern Melbourne, Bankstown or Auburn lately. Muslims in those areas aren't going about their daily business? :-k your level of ignorance knows no bounds when it comes to specifics, huge problems in Sydney. :lol: You not liking how these people live is not a "problem". There are some issues with crime in the areas, especially as these people are distrusting of authority due to their background. In general though, they're abiding by the laws of the land. Let me know when you're not allowed to put one of your pigs on a spit or your wife has to cover her hair and then we can talk. By the time that happens you won't be able to talk about it. Churches are regularly torched and vandalised in Sydney and the Armenian and Assyrian genocide memorials are vandalised on an almost weekly basis. Can't find anything on churches being burnt down or vandalised by muslims. The memorial vandalism is blamed on turkish people on a less than neutral source but it's plausible. There's been a few instances of mosques being vandalised too. Pretty "unaustralian".
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Crusader wrote:mcjules wrote:batfink wrote:mcjules wrote:Crusader wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:SocaWho wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:Whenever someone uses that word I always say "assimilation into what?"
The ironic thing is that one of the few rights our constitution does explicitly protect is freedom of religion. But instead of celebrating pluralism and diversity, white Australians expect immigrants to come here, drink VB, abandon their religious and cultural practices, get a southern cross tattoo, and act like a shitcunt at the AFL. It just goes to show you how spectacularly uninformed most Australians are.
Let's not forget -
"Assimilation" was first used after the shutting down of Aboriginal missions and reserves in the 1950s. It reflected the idea that Aboriginal people now had equal freedom of movement, but they were discouraged from expressing traditional culture and beliefs. In other words you could have black skin but you were expected to act white - convert to Christianity, get a job, and sing God save the queen. The term was then used to describe the expectations of immigrants.
I don't know why people continue to think assimilation is okay. It's actually incompatible with our pluralist constitution. As long as nobody's human rights get breached, we should just leave people alone. Assimilation to me is "not running around killing innocent people in the name of religion" ...is that too much to ask....or should we legalise that too to pander to minorities. it doesnt matter if youre white,yellow , black , muslim, christian,etc...dont come to this country to fuck it up. practise whatever it is you want to practise, as long as you dont sprouting intent to kill people. how hard is that to get into your skull? Edited by Socawho: 31/10/2015 06:24:59 PM :lol: Point to where I said Muslims have the right to break the Australian law. Of course they don't. My point was that our constitution protects their right to free speech and to practice their religion. It also says that everyone gets a fair trial. When you become a citizen you also pledge your loyalty to Australia, it's laws and institutions. If you break the law you get punished. You seem to be in some moral panic that Muslims are destroying the country. Here's the good news - 2 Muslim extremists have committed terrible murders in the last 12 months. both were killed by the police. Meanwhile the other 450,000 Australian Muslims went about their daily business. Edited by lastbroadcast: 31/10/2015 08:40:23 PM I guess you haven't been to northwestern Melbourne, Bankstown or Auburn lately. Muslims in those areas aren't going about their daily business? :-k your level of ignorance knows no bounds when it comes to specifics, huge problems in Sydney. :lol: You not liking how these people live is not a "problem". There are some issues with crime in the areas, especially as these people are distrusting of authority due to their background. In general though, they're abiding by the laws of the land. Let me know when you're not allowed to put one of your pigs on a spit or your wife has to cover her hair and then we can talk. By the time that happens you won't be able to talk about it. Churches are regularly torched and vandalised in Sydney and the Armenian and Assyrian genocide memorials are vandalised on an almost weekly basis. i wouldnt listen to mcjules rants..he thinks he knows whats going on in Sydney when he is bunkered down in adelaide thinking he knows whats going on . i bet mcjules writes thesis's all day long on how to achieve world peace when he hasnt even been outside of adelaide to know whats going on
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karta wrote:We did it! 10 pages! This thread jumped the shark pages ago but the fact that Socawho keeps posting has made it good again :lol: Edited by mcjules: 1/11/2015 10:33:14 AM
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mcjules wrote:karta wrote:We did it! 10 pages! This thread jumped the shark pages ago but the fact that Socawho keeps posting has made it good again :lol: Edited by mcjules: 1/11/2015 10:33:14 AM do me a favor and take plane to Syria so you can do a writeup on how nothing is wrong in the middle east and how visiting Islamic State should be on everyones bucket list:lol:
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Crusader wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:SocaWho wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:Whenever someone uses that word I always say "assimilation into what?"
The ironic thing is that one of the few rights our constitution does explicitly protect is freedom of religion. But instead of celebrating pluralism and diversity, white Australians expect immigrants to come here, drink VB, abandon their religious and cultural practices, get a southern cross tattoo, and act like a shitcunt at the AFL. It just goes to show you how spectacularly uninformed most Australians are.
Let's not forget -
"Assimilation" was first used after the shutting down of Aboriginal missions and reserves in the 1950s. It reflected the idea that Aboriginal people now had equal freedom of movement, but they were discouraged from expressing traditional culture and beliefs. In other words you could have black skin but you were expected to act white - convert to Christianity, get a job, and sing God save the queen. The term was then used to describe the expectations of immigrants.
I don't know why people continue to think assimilation is okay. It's actually incompatible with our pluralist constitution. As long as nobody's human rights get breached, we should just leave people alone. Assimilation to me is "not running around killing innocent people in the name of religion" ...is that too much to ask....or should we legalise that too to pander to minorities. it doesnt matter if youre white,yellow , black , muslim, christian,etc...dont come to this country to fuck it up. practise whatever it is you want to practise, as long as you dont sprouting intent to kill people. how hard is that to get into your skull? Edited by Socawho: 31/10/2015 06:24:59 PM :lol: Point to where I said Muslims have the right to break the Australian law. Of course they don't. My point was that our constitution protects their right to free speech and to practice their religion. It also says that everyone gets a fair trial. When you become a citizen you also pledge your loyalty to Australia, it's laws and institutions. If you break the law you get punished. You seem to be in some moral panic that Muslims are destroying the country. Here's the good news - 2 Muslim extremists have committed terrible murders in the last 12 months. both were killed by the police. Meanwhile the other 450,000 Australian Muslims went about their daily business. Edited by lastbroadcast: 31/10/2015 08:40:23 PM I guess you haven't been to northwestern Melbourne, Bankstown or Auburn lately. I live ten minutes away from the most Muslim suburb in Sydney, actually. And when I was last in Auburn about 4 months ago, I went to a lovely Lebanese restaurant. Then afterwards, I went to the pub. I saw a lot of Muslims in religious dress walking around the streets - lots of mums and kids. A few people wore the hijab, but astonishingly enough, I didn't see a crime or a drive by shooting. Crazy, I know! Of course there are a few crazy people and a few gangs out there. Even a few extremists, of which are being monitored. There's also a bunch of corrupt property developers on the council throwing big weddings. I didn't see the Australian way of life dying before my eyes. I just saw a bunch of working class, religious people going about their day normally. Did you ever stop to think that some of what you hear about is a complete media beat up? Of course there are issues - hundreds of people in Western Sydney are probably extremists. But don't tar all 450,000 Muslims in Australia with the same brush. Edited by lastbroadcast: 1/11/2015 02:24:52 PM
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SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:
This thread jumped the shark pages ago but the fact that Socawho keeps posting has made it good again :lol:
Edited by mcjules: 1/11/2015 10:33:14 AM
do me a favor and take plane to Syria so you can do a writeup on how nothing is wrong in the middle east and how visiting Islamic State should be on everyones bucket list:lol: Do everyone a favour take a Malaysian flight over to Europe via the Ukraine.
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Lastbroadcast wrote:Crusader wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:SocaWho wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:Whenever someone uses that word I always say "assimilation into what?"
The ironic thing is that one of the few rights our constitution does explicitly protect is freedom of religion. But instead of celebrating pluralism and diversity, white Australians expect immigrants to come here, drink VB, abandon their religious and cultural practices, get a southern cross tattoo, and act like a shitcunt at the AFL. It just goes to show you how spectacularly uninformed most Australians are.
Let's not forget -
"Assimilation" was first used after the shutting down of Aboriginal missions and reserves in the 1950s. It reflected the idea that Aboriginal people now had equal freedom of movement, but they were discouraged from expressing traditional culture and beliefs. In other words you could have black skin but you were expected to act white - convert to Christianity, get a job, and sing God save the queen. The term was then used to describe the expectations of immigrants.
I don't know why people continue to think assimilation is okay. It's actually incompatible with our pluralist constitution. As long as nobody's human rights get breached, we should just leave people alone. Assimilation to me is "not running around killing innocent people in the name of religion" ...is that too much to ask....or should we legalise that too to pander to minorities. it doesnt matter if youre white,yellow , black , muslim, christian,etc...dont come to this country to fuck it up. practise whatever it is you want to practise, as long as you dont sprouting intent to kill people. how hard is that to get into your skull? Edited by Socawho: 31/10/2015 06:24:59 PM :lol: Point to where I said Muslims have the right to break the Australian law. Of course they don't. My point was that our constitution protects their right to free speech and to practice their religion. It also says that everyone gets a fair trial. When you become a citizen you also pledge your loyalty to Australia, it's laws and institutions. If you break the law you get punished. You seem to be in some moral panic that Muslims are destroying the country. Here's the good news - 2 Muslim extremists have committed terrible murders in the last 12 months. both were killed by the police. Meanwhile the other 450,000 Australian Muslims went about their daily business. Edited by lastbroadcast: 31/10/2015 08:40:23 PM I guess you haven't been to northwestern Melbourne, Bankstown or Auburn lately. I live ten minutes away from the most Muslim suburb in Sydney, actually. And when I was last in Auburn about 4 months ago, I went to a lovely Lebanese restaurant. Then afterwards, I went to the pub. I saw a lot of Muslims in religious dress walking around the streets - lots of mums and kids. A few people wore the hijab, but astonishingly enough, I didn't see a crime or a drive by shooting. Crazy, I know! Of course there are a few crazy people and a few gangs out there. Even a few extremists, of which are being monitored. There's also a bunch of corrupt property developers on the council throwing big weddings. I didn't see the Australian way of life dying before my eyes. I just saw a bunch of working class, religious people going about their day normally. Did you ever stop to think that some of what you hear about is a complete media beat up? Of course there are issues - hundreds of people in Western Sydney are probably extremists. But don't tar all 450,000 Muslims in Australia with the same brush. Edited by lastbroadcast: 1/11/2015 02:24:52 PM i agree with what you say...but there are some posters here that think muslims dont have their share of bad apples like everyone else
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Munrubenmuz wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:
This thread jumped the shark pages ago but the fact that Socawho keeps posting has made it good again :lol:
Edited by mcjules: 1/11/2015 10:33:14 AM
do me a favor and take plane to Syria so you can do a writeup on how nothing is wrong in the middle east and how visiting Islamic State should be on everyones bucket list:lol: Do everyone a favour take a Malaysian flight over to Europe via the Ukraine. just euthanize yourself and donate your organs to the RSPCA
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SocaWho wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:Crusader wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:SocaWho wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:Whenever someone uses that word I always say "assimilation into what?"
The ironic thing is that one of the few rights our constitution does explicitly protect is freedom of religion. But instead of celebrating pluralism and diversity, white Australians expect immigrants to come here, drink VB, abandon their religious and cultural practices, get a southern cross tattoo, and act like a shitcunt at the AFL. It just goes to show you how spectacularly uninformed most Australians are.
Let's not forget -
"Assimilation" was first used after the shutting down of Aboriginal missions and reserves in the 1950s. It reflected the idea that Aboriginal people now had equal freedom of movement, but they were discouraged from expressing traditional culture and beliefs. In other words you could have black skin but you were expected to act white - convert to Christianity, get a job, and sing God save the queen. The term was then used to describe the expectations of immigrants.
I don't know why people continue to think assimilation is okay. It's actually incompatible with our pluralist constitution. As long as nobody's human rights get breached, we should just leave people alone. Assimilation to me is "not running around killing innocent people in the name of religion" ...is that too much to ask....or should we legalise that too to pander to minorities. it doesnt matter if youre white,yellow , black , muslim, christian,etc...dont come to this country to fuck it up. practise whatever it is you want to practise, as long as you dont sprouting intent to kill people. how hard is that to get into your skull? Edited by Socawho: 31/10/2015 06:24:59 PM :lol: Point to where I said Muslims have the right to break the Australian law. Of course they don't. My point was that our constitution protects their right to free speech and to practice their religion. It also says that everyone gets a fair trial. When you become a citizen you also pledge your loyalty to Australia, it's laws and institutions. If you break the law you get punished. You seem to be in some moral panic that Muslims are destroying the country. Here's the good news - 2 Muslim extremists have committed terrible murders in the last 12 months. both were killed by the police. Meanwhile the other 450,000 Australian Muslims went about their daily business. Edited by lastbroadcast: 31/10/2015 08:40:23 PM I guess you haven't been to northwestern Melbourne, Bankstown or Auburn lately. I live ten minutes away from the most Muslim suburb in Sydney, actually. And when I was last in Auburn about 4 months ago, I went to a lovely Lebanese restaurant. Then afterwards, I went to the pub. I saw a lot of Muslims in religious dress walking around the streets - lots of mums and kids. A few people wore the hijab, but astonishingly enough, I didn't see a crime or a drive by shooting. Crazy, I know! Of course there are a few crazy people and a few gangs out there. Even a few extremists, of which are being monitored. There's also a bunch of corrupt property developers on the council throwing big weddings. I didn't see the Australian way of life dying before my eyes. I just saw a bunch of working class, religious people going about their day normally. Did you ever stop to think that some of what you hear about is a complete media beat up? Of course there are issues - hundreds of people in Western Sydney are probably extremists. But don't tar all 450,000 Muslims in Australia with the same brush. Edited by lastbroadcast: 1/11/2015 02:24:52 PM i agree with what you say...but there are some posters here that think muslims dont have their share of bad apples like everyone else No one said they didnt. But to constantly point out muslims you see, to ignore the catholics problems or the bikie gangs or upg or ra. Fsce it you hate muslims. Maybe talk to somr or better yet get to know them. They sont bite hell im married to one and im a Catholic. Dont be scared
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:SocaWho wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:Crusader wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:SocaWho wrote:Lastbroadcast wrote:Whenever someone uses that word I always say "assimilation into what?"
The ironic thing is that one of the few rights our constitution does explicitly protect is freedom of religion. But instead of celebrating pluralism and diversity, white Australians expect immigrants to come here, drink VB, abandon their religious and cultural practices, get a southern cross tattoo, and act like a shitcunt at the AFL. It just goes to show you how spectacularly uninformed most Australians are.
Let's not forget -
"Assimilation" was first used after the shutting down of Aboriginal missions and reserves in the 1950s. It reflected the idea that Aboriginal people now had equal freedom of movement, but they were discouraged from expressing traditional culture and beliefs. In other words you could have black skin but you were expected to act white - convert to Christianity, get a job, and sing God save the queen. The term was then used to describe the expectations of immigrants.
I don't know why people continue to think assimilation is okay. It's actually incompatible with our pluralist constitution. As long as nobody's human rights get breached, we should just leave people alone. Assimilation to me is "not running around killing innocent people in the name of religion" ...is that too much to ask....or should we legalise that too to pander to minorities. it doesnt matter if youre white,yellow , black , muslim, christian,etc...dont come to this country to fuck it up. practise whatever it is you want to practise, as long as you dont sprouting intent to kill people. how hard is that to get into your skull? Edited by Socawho: 31/10/2015 06:24:59 PM :lol: Point to where I said Muslims have the right to break the Australian law. Of course they don't. My point was that our constitution protects their right to free speech and to practice their religion. It also says that everyone gets a fair trial. When you become a citizen you also pledge your loyalty to Australia, it's laws and institutions. If you break the law you get punished. You seem to be in some moral panic that Muslims are destroying the country. Here's the good news - 2 Muslim extremists have committed terrible murders in the last 12 months. both were killed by the police. Meanwhile the other 450,000 Australian Muslims went about their daily business. Edited by lastbroadcast: 31/10/2015 08:40:23 PM I guess you haven't been to northwestern Melbourne, Bankstown or Auburn lately. I live ten minutes away from the most Muslim suburb in Sydney, actually. And when I was last in Auburn about 4 months ago, I went to a lovely Lebanese restaurant. Then afterwards, I went to the pub. I saw a lot of Muslims in religious dress walking around the streets - lots of mums and kids. A few people wore the hijab, but astonishingly enough, I didn't see a crime or a drive by shooting. Crazy, I know! Of course there are a few crazy people and a few gangs out there. Even a few extremists, of which are being monitored. There's also a bunch of corrupt property developers on the council throwing big weddings. I didn't see the Australian way of life dying before my eyes. I just saw a bunch of working class, religious people going about their day normally. Did you ever stop to think that some of what you hear about is a complete media beat up? Of course there are issues - hundreds of people in Western Sydney are probably extremists. But don't tar all 450,000 Muslims in Australia with the same brush. Edited by lastbroadcast: 1/11/2015 02:24:52 PM i agree with what you say...but there are some posters here that think muslims dont have their share of bad apples like everyone else No one said they didnt. But to constantly point out muslims you see, to ignore the catholics problems or the bikie gangs or upg or ra. Fsce it you hate muslims. Maybe talk to somr or better yet get to know them. They sont bite hell im married to one and im a Catholic. Dont be scared I never said other groups don't have problems....they do. Like catholic priests and paedophiles, white aussie bogans behaving badly,etc....and I don't hate muslims. But I have a problem with do-gooders who feel the need to stand up for the actions of extremists that promote murder and hate.
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Quote:Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir decries ‘forced Muslim assimilation’
THE AUSTRALIAN NOVEMBER 01, 2015 4:36PM
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Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Uthman Badar, says the Australian government “claims to afford freedom, but seeks to impose values and beliefs’’ on Muslims. Source: News Corp Australia
Requiring schoolchildren to sing the national anthem, and the citizenship pledge supporting democratic values, are part of an oppressive campaign by Australian authorities of “forced assimilation” of the Muslim community, a conference heard this morning.
The conference held by Islamist activist group Hizb ut-Tahrir entitled “Innocent Until Proven Muslim” is taking place at Bankstown in Sydney’s west, attended by about 800 people.
Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Uthman Badar told the conference the Australian government “claims to afford freedom, but seeks to impose values and beliefs” on Muslims.
Muslims were expected to not just be gracious about Australian values, but publicly promote them, Mr Badar said.
This imposition of secular western values was reflected in the oath when taking out citizenship, Mr Badar said, with new citizens required to pledge allegiance to Australia “whose democratic beliefs I share”.
“It’s not enough that you obey the law, no, you have to adopt our values,” Mr Badar told the conference.
Similarly, Mr Badar said, schoolchildren were required to sing the national anthem, which he said, “reflects a disputed view of history”.
“If you don’t share those values, why should they be forced to sing it?” Mr Badar said.
The comments follow a backlash from many politicians and commentators to news last week that the principal of a Victorian primary school had excused Muslim students from singing Advance Australia Fair.
Mr Badar said the campaign by government and agencies against radicalisation was actually a smokescreen to “make Muslims less Islamic”.
“It is nothing less than forced assimilation ... sought to be justified by exaggerated fear of a security threat,” he said.
Government efforts to promote what it bills as a moderate form of Islam might on occasion “buy out some Imam”, Mr Badar said, but overall, “the attempt to reform Islam is doomed to failure.”
The conference heard a series of members of the Muslim community, some by prerecorded audiovisual clips and some live from the floor — deliver testimonials of what they claimed was oppressive behaviour by officials against them as Muslims, at airports, in police raids, and in high security prisons. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/islamist-group-hizb-ut-tahrir-decries-forced-muslim-assimilation/story-e6frg6n6-1227589920579Quote:“If you don’t share those values, why should they be forced to sing it?” Mr Badar said. So you just want to come here and sponge off us and not assimilate , how would that ideology work for me if I went to um, lets say Iran for example. ](*,)
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StiflersMom wrote:Quote:Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir decries ‘forced Muslim assimilation’
THE AUSTRALIAN NOVEMBER 01, 2015 4:36PM
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Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Uthman Badar, says the Australian government “claims to afford freedom, but seeks to impose values and beliefs’’ on Muslims. Source: News Corp Australia
Requiring schoolchildren to sing the national anthem, and the citizenship pledge supporting democratic values, are part of an oppressive campaign by Australian authorities of “forced assimilation” of the Muslim community, a conference heard this morning.
The conference held by Islamist activist group Hizb ut-Tahrir entitled “Innocent Until Proven Muslim” is taking place at Bankstown in Sydney’s west, attended by about 800 people.
Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Uthman Badar told the conference the Australian government “claims to afford freedom, but seeks to impose values and beliefs” on Muslims.
Muslims were expected to not just be gracious about Australian values, but publicly promote them, Mr Badar said.
This imposition of secular western values was reflected in the oath when taking out citizenship, Mr Badar said, with new citizens required to pledge allegiance to Australia “whose democratic beliefs I share”.
“It’s not enough that you obey the law, no, you have to adopt our values,” Mr Badar told the conference.
Similarly, Mr Badar said, schoolchildren were required to sing the national anthem, which he said, “reflects a disputed view of history”.
“If you don’t share those values, why should they be forced to sing it?” Mr Badar said.
The comments follow a backlash from many politicians and commentators to news last week that the principal of a Victorian primary school had excused Muslim students from singing Advance Australia Fair.
Mr Badar said the campaign by government and agencies against radicalisation was actually a smokescreen to “make Muslims less Islamic”.
“It is nothing less than forced assimilation ... sought to be justified by exaggerated fear of a security threat,” he said.
Government efforts to promote what it bills as a moderate form of Islam might on occasion “buy out some Imam”, Mr Badar said, but overall, “the attempt to reform Islam is doomed to failure.”
The conference heard a series of members of the Muslim community, some by prerecorded audiovisual clips and some live from the floor — deliver testimonials of what they claimed was oppressive behaviour by officials against them as Muslims, at airports, in police raids, and in high security prisons. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/islamist-group-hizb-ut-tahrir-decries-forced-muslim-assimilation/story-e6frg6n6-1227589920579Quote:“If you don’t share those values, why should they be forced to sing it?” Mr Badar said. So you just want to come here and sponge off us and not assimilate , how would that ideology work for me if I went to um, lets say Iran for example. ](*,) mcjules thinks these guys should be free to do whatever they please.,,😡
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SocaWho wrote:StiflersMom wrote:Quote:Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir decries ‘forced Muslim assimilation’
THE AUSTRALIAN NOVEMBER 01, 2015 4:36PM
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Ean Higgins
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Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Uthman Badar, says the Australian government “claims to afford freedom, but seeks to impose values and beliefs’’ on Muslims. Source: News Corp Australia
Requiring schoolchildren to sing the national anthem, and the citizenship pledge supporting democratic values, are part of an oppressive campaign by Australian authorities of “forced assimilation” of the Muslim community, a conference heard this morning.
The conference held by Islamist activist group Hizb ut-Tahrir entitled “Innocent Until Proven Muslim” is taking place at Bankstown in Sydney’s west, attended by about 800 people.
Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Uthman Badar told the conference the Australian government “claims to afford freedom, but seeks to impose values and beliefs” on Muslims.
Muslims were expected to not just be gracious about Australian values, but publicly promote them, Mr Badar said.
This imposition of secular western values was reflected in the oath when taking out citizenship, Mr Badar said, with new citizens required to pledge allegiance to Australia “whose democratic beliefs I share”.
“It’s not enough that you obey the law, no, you have to adopt our values,” Mr Badar told the conference.
Similarly, Mr Badar said, schoolchildren were required to sing the national anthem, which he said, “reflects a disputed view of history”.
“If you don’t share those values, why should they be forced to sing it?” Mr Badar said.
The comments follow a backlash from many politicians and commentators to news last week that the principal of a Victorian primary school had excused Muslim students from singing Advance Australia Fair.
Mr Badar said the campaign by government and agencies against radicalisation was actually a smokescreen to “make Muslims less Islamic”.
“It is nothing less than forced assimilation ... sought to be justified by exaggerated fear of a security threat,” he said.
Government efforts to promote what it bills as a moderate form of Islam might on occasion “buy out some Imam”, Mr Badar said, but overall, “the attempt to reform Islam is doomed to failure.”
The conference heard a series of members of the Muslim community, some by prerecorded audiovisual clips and some live from the floor — deliver testimonials of what they claimed was oppressive behaviour by officials against them as Muslims, at airports, in police raids, and in high security prisons. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/islamist-group-hizb-ut-tahrir-decries-forced-muslim-assimilation/story-e6frg6n6-1227589920579Quote:“If you don’t share those values, why should they be forced to sing it?” Mr Badar said. So you just want to come here and sponge off us and not assimilate , how would that ideology work for me if I went to um, lets say Iran for example. ](*,) mcjules thinks these guys should be free to do whatever they please.,,😡 Add "within the laws of the land" and you might actually have an accurate statement =d>
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Quote:A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
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mcjules, Mate, we don't profess people should stop practicing their religion, though IMO no good has ever come from religion, if you want a god, good for you , keep him/her to yourself and try not to kill anybody just because they don't share your belief ( if your god is so shallow and almighty powerful he can kill everyone who doesn't believe with a click of he's ( ever noticed God is always a man, even in the form of a woman) fingers ).
The rest of Australia, in case you haven't noticed, has allowed religions such as Christians, Buddhists , Jews and alike to flourish and do what ever it is that they think their man made god wants, provided its within the laws of the land, and guess what, every other religion has accepted that except Islam.
We accepted people from war torn countries and gave them a home with comforts they have never seen before, but still they want to wage war on us.
there is simply only one response from normal born here Aussie's, fuck off.
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:lol: that sentence can be used for aussies os stifler. Do you k ow any muslims? Why do you fear them????
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"Every other religion has accepted that except Islam."
...what?
The overwhelming majority of Australian Muslims have accepted the "laws of the land." Also, regarding that specific example: refusing to sing the national anthem is not illegal...
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JP wrote:"Every other religion has accepted that except Islam."
...what?
The overwhelming majority of Australian Muslims have accepted the "laws of the land." Also, regarding that specific example: refusing to sing the national anthem is not illegal... Jehovah's Witnesses don't sing or stand for the national anthem either. I have no love for Hizb ut-Tahrir, they're like the Muslim version of Reclaim Australia. Nothing quoted in that article is overly outrageous though.
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Whats sad is that people make assumptions about a certain race or religion on false information. It saddens me that we are re doing the same things over and over again. First it was the jews and then the wogs and then the asians and indians and then the africans and now its the muslima or anyone who looks like one. We as a nation are better than this and we shouldnt accept the saying its their turn to go thru it like its a badge of honour we bestow to people .
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StiflersMom wrote:mcjules, Mate, we don't profess people should stop practicing their religion, though IMO no good has ever come from religion, if you want a god, good for you , keep him/her to yourself and try not to kill anybody just because they don't share your belief ( if your god is so shallow and almighty powerful he can kill everyone who doesn't believe with a click of he's ( ever noticed God is always a man, even in the form of a woman) fingers ).
The rest of Australia, in case you haven't noticed, has allowed religions such as Christians, Buddhists , Jews and alike to flourish and do what ever it is that they think their man made god wants, provided its within the laws of the land, and guess what, every other religion has accepted that except Islam.
We accepted people from war torn countries and gave them a home with comforts they have never seen before, but still they want to wage war on us.
there is simply only one response from normal born here Aussie's, fuck off. Normal ?
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