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paulbagzFC wrote:
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Yeh but sparky cars wont give me the torwue of a phat V8 m8 so your points are invalid.

-PB


:lol: Tesla car shit all over V8 for torque





Edited by adrtho: 25/1/2016 12:00:28 PM


Where's the torque numbers?

-PB


the car speeds away from V8 , that can only mean there higher torque at the wheel



Edited by adrtho: 25/1/2016 10:44:53 PM
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AzzaMarch wrote:
Les Gock wrote:
Here's the long-term Crude Oil chart to provide some context:



People who know a thing or two about investing aren't writing off oil just yet. Buffett has recently spent pocket change on a Texan oil company (US$4.5 billion). Goldman Sachs president discusses his thoughts on oil:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2016-01-22/cohn-the-oil-market-is-rebalancing-now

There's no guarantees in this world, but i'd take the opinion of market big boys over a couple of quacks on a football forum...


Cheers for that - I agree with the long term context.

I don't know why some people are taking cheap oil to mean "the end of oil". The simple economic of the oil industry mean that once you have the oil rigs set up and pumping oil, it is generally more expensive to turn the taps off and mothball production than it is to keep pumping - your sunk costs have already been paid. The only relevant figure is the marginal cost of the next gallon. And generally that is pretty cheap.

Weren't those proclaiming the end of oil predicting that oil would become prohibitively expensive and run out in the next couple of decades?

I do think that we are looking at a "new normal" price that is much lower than previously, for 3 reasons:
-Chinese economic growth slowing structurally as they become a much bigger economy than they were 10 years ago
- Natural / shale gas production coming online and becoming much more efficient (therefore cost competitive)
- Iran rejoining the oil market

But none of the above means the end of oil, it is just rebalancing the market towards consumers, instead of producers.


the US can turn Oil production on and off, like a switch...it why oil price can't go up, as USA can just increase production at the drop of a hat

what happen to oil when majority of cars are electronic?...70% of USA oil consumption is for transportation

if you're betting on oil, you're betting that electronic car will not take any market share of the car industry

Edited by adrtho: 25/1/2016 11:08:36 PM
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Les Gock wrote:
Here's the long-term Crude Oil chart to provide some context:


People who know a thing or two about investing aren't writing off oil just yet. Buffett has recently spent pocket change on a Texan oil company (US$4.5 billion). Goldman Sachs president discusses his thoughts on oil:



There's no guarantees in this world, but i'd take the opinion of market big boys over a couple of quacks on a football forum...


you should take the market boys over what anyone say on a football forum......but a lest i did post a topic last year and said, oil is go to $20 when oil was around $60 and all the talking heads on CNBC was saying oil going back to $100 soon

this is the way i see oil industry collapse

1.Becaiuse the well off people who would normally buy a new S-Class Mercedes or BMW 7 Series are buying Telsa electronic car

2. will then extend Telsa electronic car sales to the Mid size luxury car and entry level luxury car E-Class and C-Class Mercedes

3. which then force Mercedes or BMW to switch a large part of there car production to electronic car , because 80% of there business is in these car categories, and they run the risk of going extinct switch over (Mercedes already planing to move 50% of there cars to electronic

4. this forces Toyota and Volkswagen to move there luxury car brands (Lexus and Audi ) to electronic car to save any relevance what's so ever...this as means Toyota and Volkswagen have the mass produce for Full size and Mid size car,

5. where it bye, bye to oil


all the new laws and International agreements are leading to the force move to electronic car...there no new law coming to save the oil industry, coming to block ...the Car industry can't stop this, if a car company does change, it dead

Telsa company already has a market cap of $32b, this is 60% of Ford or GM market cap...The market boys are betting that Telsa will sell a lot more then 50,000 electronic car over the coming years



Edited by adrtho: 25/1/2016 11:49:56 PM
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Despite the world being awash in oil, OPEC’s refusal to cut production has been widely seen as an attempt to hobble the U.S. share industry and shore up its own market share. By maintaining oil production output, OPEC is hoping to drive high-cost fracking producers out of the market.Well ,With oil prices still down more than 40% since last June and the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development downgrading global growth forecasts, many are wondering where oil prices will be in 2016. While predictions for oil at $20.00 per barrel seem a little too bearish, a return of oil to $100.00 a barrel in 2016 might be a little too bullish.When it comes to an oil price forecast in 2016, $65.00 may be the new $85.00.

what's your take on these guys????????


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Lithium battery prices are crashing - General Motors publicly revealed their buying prices from LG on batteries at $145/kWh (LG cracked the shits when it happened). Expect $100/kWh when the Tesla Gigafactory opens
All car manufacturers will go to the 'skateboard' design layout of batteries/chassis, as it's the most efficient. With battery chemistry improvements and allowing for weight, doing a back of envelope calculation, a 500km range car would only need a 60kWh battery pack costing the manufacturer $6000. The internal combustion engine market will be destroyed when this happens and consequently the oil market. Don't forget the massive increase in the home energy storage market as well, to help drive unit battery prices down.
The question is how much lithium reserves are there in the world?
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:
Lithium battery prices are crashing - General Motors publicly revealed their buying prices from LG on batteries at $145/kWh (LG cracked the shits when it happened). Expect $100/kWh when the Tesla Gigafactory opens
All car manufacturers will go to the 'skateboard' design layout of batteries/chassis, as it's the most efficient. With battery chemistry improvements and allowing for weight, doing a back of envelope calculation, a 500km range car would only need a 60kWh battery pack costing the manufacturer $6000. The internal combustion engine market will be destroyed when this happens and consequently the oil market. Don't forget the massive increase in the home energy storage market as well, to help drive unit battery prices down.
The question is how much lithium reserves are there in the world?


i;m not a expert on lithium reserves, but from what i understand, there a lot of lithium in the world
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So when can we expect Tesla to start constructing engines for the shipping industry?
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ATTN: adrtho

Still waiting for Russia to default.
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BETHFC wrote:
So when can we expect Tesla to start constructing engines for the shipping industry?

BMW, General Motors, Mercedes, Nissan, Renault, Ford, Tesla, etc all now have production electric cars.
The ship market will be targeted at some stage
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:
BETHFC wrote:
So when can we expect Tesla to start constructing engines for the shipping industry?

BMW, General Motors, Mercedes, Nissan, Renault, Ford, Tesla, etc all now have production electric cars.
The ship market will be targeted at some stage


So then the oil era isn't over? Until they can produce a sufficient battery for a super tanker this thread is useless.
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Draupnir wrote:
ATTN: adrtho

Still waiting for Russia to default.


why do you fucking care if i'm wrong or right? does it make you feel smart if i'm wrong? do you win or lose money?






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BETHFC wrote:
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BETHFC wrote:
So when can we expect Tesla to start constructing engines for the shipping industry?

BMW, General Motors, Mercedes, Nissan, Renault, Ford, Tesla, etc all now have production electric cars.
The ship market will be targeted at some stage


So then the oil era isn't over? Until they can produce a sufficient battery for a super tanker this thread is useless.

I think you've missed the gist of the thread
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:
BETHFC wrote:
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BETHFC wrote:
So when can we expect Tesla to start constructing engines for the shipping industry?

BMW, General Motors, Mercedes, Nissan, Renault, Ford, Tesla, etc all now have production electric cars.
The ship market will be targeted at some stage


So then the oil era isn't over? Until they can produce a sufficient battery for a super tanker this thread is useless.

I think you've missed the gist of the thread


Shipping is a massive industry.

Sorry to interrupt your Tesla wank fest.
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BETHFC wrote:
Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:
BETHFC wrote:
So when can we expect Tesla to start constructing engines for the shipping industry?

BMW, General Motors, Mercedes, Nissan, Renault, Ford, Tesla, etc all now have production electric cars.
The ship market will be targeted at some stage


So then the oil era isn't over? Until they can produce a sufficient battery for a super tanker this thread is useless.


do you know what percent the shipping industry use of oil each year?

do you know what percent car use each year?

so the shipping industry use of oil each year is what 3% ?

Edited by adrtho: 16/3/2016 03:11:47 PM
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adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
ATTN: adrtho

Still waiting for Russia to default.


why do you fucking care if i'm wrong or right? does it make you feel smart if i'm wrong? do you win or lose money?


I care that you're wrong because all you do is talk utter nonsense and shit, and it's great to see you eat humble pie.

Edited by Draupnir: 16/3/2016 01:06:07 PM
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Draupnir wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
ATTN: adrtho

Still waiting for Russia to default.


why do you fucking care if i'm wrong or right? does it make you feel smart if i'm wrong? do you win or lose money?


I care that you're wrong because all you do is talk utter nonsense and shit, and it's great to see you eat humble pie.

Edited by Draupnir: 16/3/2016 01:06:07 PM


i make 10,000 bets a year, and out of those 10,000 bets, there a lot of wrong calls

the call in Jan 2015, that Russia will default , is not a wrong call as of Today

Edited by adrtho: 16/3/2016 01:20:29 PM
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adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
ATTN: adrtho

Still waiting for Russia to default.


why do you fucking care if i'm wrong or right? does it make you feel smart if i'm wrong? do you win or lose money?


I care that you're wrong because all you do is talk utter nonsense and shit, and it's great to see you eat humble pie.

Edited by Draupnir: 16/3/2016 01:06:07 PM


i make 10,000 bets a year, and out of those 10,000 bets, there a lot of wrong calls

the call in Jan 2015, that Russia will default , is not a wrong call as of Today

Edited by adrtho: 16/3/2016 01:20:29 PM


So it's a correct call as of today? Don't be even more of a fuckwit.
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Draupnir wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
ATTN: adrtho

Still waiting for Russia to default.


why do you fucking care if i'm wrong or right? does it make you feel smart if i'm wrong? do you win or lose money?


I care that you're wrong because all you do is talk utter nonsense and shit, and it's great to see you eat humble pie.

Edited by Draupnir: 16/3/2016 01:06:07 PM


i make 10,000 bets a year, and out of those 10,000 bets, there a lot of wrong calls

the call in Jan 2015, that Russia will default , is not a wrong call as of Today

Edited by adrtho: 16/3/2016 01:20:29 PM


So it's a correct call as of today? Don't be even more of a fuckwit.


that what Russia CDS price says

what do you think about the USA sending Abrams tanks, armored vehicles,r to a caves in Norway? will you wave the US and Norway flag when a US Marine expeditionary brigade come to Norway to save it from Russia ?
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So how long does it take for you to be wrong? :lol:

4-5 years?

10?

LEL.

-PB

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paulbagzFC wrote:
So how long does it take for you to be wrong? :lol:

4-5 years?

10?

LEL.

-PB


5 years,,,but we already have a profit from it

there very high chance Putin default just to fuck western banks over,,,if west keep bank sanctions on Russian Banks, why the fuck will Putin keep paying Western banks back there money
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adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
ATTN: adrtho

Still waiting for Russia to default.


why do you fucking care if i'm wrong or right? does it make you feel smart if i'm wrong? do you win or lose money?


I care that you're wrong because all you do is talk utter nonsense and shit, and it's great to see you eat humble pie.

Edited by Draupnir: 16/3/2016 01:06:07 PM


i make 10,000 bets a year, and out of those 10,000 bets, there a lot of wrong calls

the call in Jan 2015, that Russia will default , is not a wrong call as of Today

Edited by adrtho: 16/3/2016 01:20:29 PM


So it's a correct call as of today? Don't be even more of a fuckwit.


that what Russia CDS price says

what do you think about the USA sending Abrams tanks, armored vehicles,r to a caves in Norway? will you wave the US and Norway flag when a US Marine expeditionary brigade come to Norway to save it from Russia ?


I think that none of them mean the Russia has defaulted.
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Draupnir wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
ATTN: adrtho

Still waiting for Russia to default.


why do you fucking care if i'm wrong or right? does it make you feel smart if i'm wrong? do you win or lose money?


I care that you're wrong because all you do is talk utter nonsense and shit, and it's great to see you eat humble pie.

Edited by Draupnir: 16/3/2016 01:06:07 PM


i make 10,000 bets a year, and out of those 10,000 bets, there a lot of wrong calls

the call in Jan 2015, that Russia will default , is not a wrong call as of Today

Edited by adrtho: 16/3/2016 01:20:29 PM


So it's a correct call as of today? Don't be even more of a fuckwit.


that what Russia CDS price says

what do you think about the USA sending Abrams tanks, armored vehicles,r to a caves in Norway? will you wave the US and Norway flag when a US Marine expeditionary brigade come to Norway to save it from Russia ?


I think that none of them mean the Russia has defaulted.


Lucky for me, it doesn't matter what you think
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adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
ATTN: adrtho

Still waiting for Russia to default.


why do you fucking care if i'm wrong or right? does it make you feel smart if i'm wrong? do you win or lose money?


I care that you're wrong because all you do is talk utter nonsense and shit, and it's great to see you eat humble pie.

Edited by Draupnir: 16/3/2016 01:06:07 PM


i make 10,000 bets a year, and out of those 10,000 bets, there a lot of wrong calls

the call in Jan 2015, that Russia will default , is not a wrong call as of Today

Edited by adrtho: 16/3/2016 01:20:29 PM


So it's a correct call as of today? Don't be even more of a fuckwit.


that what Russia CDS price says

what do you think about the USA sending Abrams tanks, armored vehicles,r to a caves in Norway? will you wave the US and Norway flag when a US Marine expeditionary brigade come to Norway to save it from Russia ?


I think that none of them mean the Russia has defaulted.


Lucky for me, it doesn't matter what you think


Then you two seriously need to stop fucking derailing threads with your bullshit. Grow up!
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BETHFC wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
ATTN: adrtho

Still waiting for Russia to default.


why do you fucking care if i'm wrong or right? does it make you feel smart if i'm wrong? do you win or lose money?


I care that you're wrong because all you do is talk utter nonsense and shit, and it's great to see you eat humble pie.

Edited by Draupnir: 16/3/2016 01:06:07 PM


i make 10,000 bets a year, and out of those 10,000 bets, there a lot of wrong calls

the call in Jan 2015, that Russia will default , is not a wrong call as of Today

Edited by adrtho: 16/3/2016 01:20:29 PM


So it's a correct call as of today? Don't be even more of a fuckwit.


that what Russia CDS price says

what do you think about the USA sending Abrams tanks, armored vehicles,r to a caves in Norway? will you wave the US and Norway flag when a US Marine expeditionary brigade come to Norway to save it from Russia ?


I think that none of them mean the Russia has defaulted.


Lucky for me, it doesn't matter what you think


Then you two seriously need to stop fucking derailing threads with your bullshit. Grow up!


did you find what percent the shipping industry use of oil is each year?
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adrtho wrote:

did you find what percent the shipping industry use of oil is each year?


No. Lots of oil. Enough to make oil extraction worthwhile.
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BETHFC wrote:
adrtho wrote:

did you find what percent the shipping industry use of oil is each year?


No. Lots of oil. Enough to make oil extraction worthwhile.


3% , 4% or maybe 5%
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adrtho wrote:
BETHFC wrote:
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did you find what percent the shipping industry use of oil is each year?


No. Lots of oil. Enough to make oil extraction worthwhile.


3% , 4% or maybe 5%


Seems like you don't know and are just plucking figures out of your arse.
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Crusader wrote:
adrtho wrote:
BETHFC wrote:
adrtho wrote:

did you find what percent the shipping industry use of oil is each year?


No. Lots of oil. Enough to make oil extraction worthwhile.


3% , 4% or maybe 5%


Seems like you don't know and are just plucking figures out of your arse.


hmm id like to see ur stats then crusader ELO has objectively shown shipping industry use lots
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Crusader wrote:
adrtho wrote:
BETHFC wrote:
adrtho wrote:

did you find what percent the shipping industry use of oil is each year?


No. Lots of oil. Enough to make oil extraction worthwhile.


3% , 4% or maybe 5%


Seems like you don't know and are just plucking figures out of your arse.


water use 4.50% of all oil that goes to transportation, and transportation use about 70% of all oil ...so that make water (ships) total oil use at 3.15%

passenger cars are about 45% of all total oil use ..so a switch of 7% of passenger cars to electric cars would be about the same as water (ship)

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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
Crusader wrote:
adrtho wrote:
BETHFC wrote:
adrtho wrote:

did you find what percent the shipping industry use of oil is each year?


No. Lots of oil. Enough to make oil extraction worthwhile.


3% , 4% or maybe 5%


Seems like you don't know and are just plucking figures out of your arse.


hmm id like to see ur stats then crusader ELO has objectively shown shipping industry use lots
Enormous Litres of Oil


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