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johnszasz - 7 Mar 2019 7:37 AM
TheSelectFew - 6 Mar 2019 9:42 PM

Good stuff. I tell my English students that language is everywhere. It's a tool for life. It never stops. When out and about be curious. Ask yourself what that object is in the language you're learning. When you hear something in English or think of a situation, ask yourself how you'd communicate that in the language your learning. 



Well done mate.

Inspiring people regardless of age the importance of languages is vital. Keep us informed of the progress. As well as your German;)


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TheSelectFew - 6 Mar 2019 9:42 PM
Almost completed the Duolingo tree with golds on each capability. It has been fun to learn a language again. It's taken 2 years and a lot of dry spells.

Good stuff. I tell my English students that language is everywhere. It's a tool for life. It never stops. When out and about be curious. Ask yourself what that object is in the language you're learning. When you hear something in English or think of a situation, ask yourself how you'd communicate that in the language your learning. 



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Almost completed the Duolingo tree with golds on each capability. It has been fun to learn a language again. It's taken 2 years and a lot of dry spells.


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Roar_Brisbane - 10 Aug 2018 12:36 AM
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Well from the people I know who have been in this country for a couple of years, I'm continually told by them to slow down every now and then and that they can't understand certain people as they are speaking too fast. 

@ Theselctfew dam that's impressive. How often do you get to speak it? 

Oh I have been doing it since year 7 and I use it in my career so it's a necessity. The more you practice it, the better you will be. I speak it 6 days a week with Sunday being my day off from it lol.  


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The versatility and practicality of speaking/ understanding Spanish and my preference for Latina's is what got me interested in studying.

The frustrating part is that speakers of latin languages (Italian, Portuguese etc) all seem to speak much faster than we do in English. I imagine that to somebody who grows up speaking one of these languages, English speakers must ssssooooound liiiiike weeeee taaaaalk reaaallly sssslow liiiiike thiiiis. It's harder for me to understand more than the odd sentence if I watch Spanish language movies or news because it seems their normal speaking speed is the equivalent of an English speaking race caller whereallthewordsjustfalloneaftertheotherlikethisandI'mgoingwhatthefuck?

Hablar mas despacio!

Well from the people I know who have been in this country for a couple of years, I'm continually told by them to slow down every now and then and that they can't understand certain people as they are speaking too fast. 

@ Theselctfew dam that's impressive. How often do you get to speak it? 

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Roar_Brisbane - 27 Jul 2018 12:59 AM
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Yea a lot of people do say its one of the easier languages to learn but its still a real challenge. 


But with that said, going out drinking and approaching Spanish speaking girls is awesome, they seem to really appreciate that you are learning their language:kiss: 


The versatility and practicality of speaking/ understanding Spanish and my preference for Latina's is what got me interested in studying.

The frustrating part is that speakers of latin languages (Italian, Portuguese etc) all seem to speak much faster than we do in English. I imagine that to somebody who grows up speaking one of these languages, English speakers must ssssooooound liiiiike weeeee taaaaalk reaaallly sssslow liiiiike thiiiis. It's harder for me to understand more than the odd sentence if I watch Spanish language movies or news because it seems their normal speaking speed is the equivalent of an English speaking race caller whereallthewordsjustfalloneaftertheotherlikethisandI'mgoingwhatthefuck?

Hablar mas despacio!

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Ok so I will give some of you peeps of how my language progression. Every Saturday morning I take an intensive French course for 4 hours (I'm super sick today so I didn't go).

Morning:
-30 minute drive in listening to France24 radio
-Duolingo (maximum xp daily) (10 mins)

Morning break:
-TinyCards (5 minutes 2 decks)
-Quizlet (5 minutes 2 decks)

Lunch break: 
-1 article from French newspaper app (usually France Football)

Drive home:
-1ère radio from New Caledonia

Before dinner:
-7jours sur la planete (30 mins)
-SBS French Radio (5-8 minutes)

Saturday:
4 hours of intense French courses at Alliance Française

Every 5 weeks:
Private tutition for b2 exam

Every 2 years minimum:
Travel to a French speaking country. Last year was New Caledonia this year its France Blwgium and Switzerland. 

Get on my level. 💪


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RedshirtWilly - 27 Jul 2018 10:37 AM
Roar_Brisbane - 27 Jul 2018 12:59 AM

Thanks for the reply.  How do you keep on top of it?  Youtube, Spanish speaking friends for example?

Duolingo seems to be a good foundation to being able to hold your own around town, but doesn't compare to actually living it ie. through videos, movies, music etc.  The Spanish speaking girls example I actually took as a practical reason to learn it more in depth!

Duo is good for memorising the words though.  Once I saw "Pardon. Ik ben een paard" the words were burnt in my memory back in the day
Spanish speaking friends at work was the big one, I went from practicing the alphabet, words I learnt from duo and then actually speaking to them in small sentences. The ability to speak with someone regularly is huge I couldn't imagine learning the language and having no one to practice with. 

What I do in addition is: 
Duo: Although this has slowed down in the last few months as like you said its a good foundation builder. I like the Stories option and need to give the podcast option another go. 

Youtube: I've found a couple of good channels that really help me. (Whynotspanish) & (GringoEspanol) 

Music: I listen to a lot of reggaeton but I don't think that really helps too much tbh. 

Lingq: This has really helped me, it's basically a huge word database that tracks every word that you see while you read in your target language. You can tell the system if you know the word or not so its been a great way to keep track of things, via spaced repetition. I try to read maybe 1000 words a day, most of the stories have been a bit of a pain to read but it helps. (I do pay like $10 a month for this though). 

Podcast: I found this classroom style podcast which was interesting but I'm only on episode 13 of 90. 

Grammar book: I'm only two or three chapters into this but its a big text book, its a different experience its hard to sit there and try and do certain exercises in Spanish but it has helped me recognize some of the mistakes I do make. 

Spanish classes: I've only just signed up to some so hopefully this helps. First time I've been around some beginner speakers and its interesting to see them make mistakes/ struggling at things I've been able to teach myself. 

I've also been meaning to join some free salsa classes and go to some meetups at local bars. 

I think that's everything I do, I work really hard on it but its such an up and down process where I'm continually frustrated. 

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Is there a duolingo equivalent for Croatian?  


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Roar_Brisbane - 27 Jul 2018 12:59 AM
RedshirtWilly - 26 Jul 2018 10:11 AM
Yea a lot of people do say its one of the easier languages to learn but its still a real challenge. 

It does have genders as well, the whole ser/estar (the verb to be) and present tense verb conjugation was a real pain to begin with but now its a lot easier. I still make a ton of mistakes but with most of them I can recognize immediately. 

Listening is really tough for me, so many times I'll be talking to someone and after four or five words I'll just get lost, things are either said way too fast or I get confused between different tenses or hear words I just don't know. 

Talking is also very tough, I've noticed that I either get way too nervous or forget things. I also feel that maybe due to duolingo I know a lot of words but the ability to have an actual conversation with someone is almost impossible. I can ask them how they are, their name, where are they from but nothing really on a deeper level. 

But with that said, going out drinking and approaching Spanish speaking girls is awesome, they seem to really appreciate that you are learning their language. :kiss: 


Thanks for the reply.  How do you keep on top of it?  Youtube, Spanish speaking friends for example?

Duolingo seems to be a good foundation to being able to hold your own around town, but doesn't compare to actually living it ie. through videos, movies, music etc.  The Spanish speaking girls example I actually took as a practical reason to learn it more in depth!

Duo is good for memorising the words though.  Once I saw "Pardon. Ik ben een paard" the words were burnt in my memory back in the day
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Currently in France and don't speak French. I always feel a bit guilty as I insist people speak German in Germany. Tourists and residents are completely different things though.
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Stopped my Auslan and Dutch after posting here :/ there was no-one to really practice with and I think that's a big barrier.

Got the Duo Lingo app, up to level 13 in Dutch just smashing through the categories to refresh my brain.  Want to make new friends with or clients out of fellow speakers so there's a practical reason for it.

EDIT: to say good job on the Spanish. I've heard it's probably the easiest language and most versatile.  What are the difficulties you have in it?  Like for example, Dutch has genders for different objects, so "het" and "de" both mean "the" but only depending on the context.

Have heard Dutch speakers know what you're talking about but it's akin to Emmanuel Macron calling Mal's wife "delicious" - it jars on the ears of native speakers
Yea a lot of people do say its one of the easier languages to learn but its still a real challenge. 

It does have genders as well, the whole ser/estar (the verb to be) and present tense verb conjugation was a real pain to begin with but now its a lot easier. I still make a ton of mistakes but with most of them I can recognize immediately. 

Listening is really tough for me, so many times I'll be talking to someone and after four or five words I'll just get lost, things are either said way too fast or I get confused between different tenses or hear words I just don't know. 

Talking is also very tough, I've noticed that I either get way too nervous or forget things. I also feel that maybe due to duolingo I know a lot of words but the ability to have an actual conversation with someone is almost impossible. I can ask them how they are, their name, where are they from but nothing really on a deeper level. 

But with that said, going out drinking and approaching Spanish speaking girls is awesome, they seem to really appreciate that you are learning their language. :kiss: 


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Roar_Brisbane - 26 Jul 2018 12:11 AM
Bump! 

How is everyone going? 
Duolingo ended up making some huge changes over the past couple of months, probably for the best but it was pretty frustrating with how it was done. I was starting to focus on my past tense but had to go back and learn some old things. 

I've made a lot of progress over the past couple of months and now I can actually speak a little! 

Stopped my Auslan and Dutch after posting here :/ there was no-one to really practice with and I think that's a big barrier.

Got the Duo Lingo app, up to level 13 in Dutch just smashing through the categories to refresh my brain.  Want to make new friends with or clients out of fellow speakers so there's a practical reason for it.

EDIT: to say good job on the Spanish. I've heard it's probably the easiest language and most versatile.  What are the difficulties you have in it?  Like for example, Dutch has genders for different objects, so "het" and "de" both mean "the" but only depending on the context.

Have heard Dutch speakers know what you're talking about but it's akin to Emmanuel Macron calling Mal's wife "delicious" - it jars on the ears of native speakers
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Bump! 

How is everyone going? 
Duolingo ended up making some huge changes over the past couple of months, probably for the best but it was pretty frustrating with how it was done. I was starting to focus on my past tense but had to go back and learn some old things. 

I've made a lot of progress over the past couple of months and now I can actually speak a little! 
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How is everyone going? 

I'm now at 38% fluency and level 10 on Duolingo with my Spanish now. 

I feel like I've learnt a lot in the last few weeks just by practicing the vowels and the alphabet as well as watching a lot of youtube videos. My listening is so much better now, I can actually hear words even if I don't know what they mean.

I've been focusing on verbs lately, I feel like duolingo did a really poor job of that but I think I understand the conjugations a lot better now - I know nothing about past or future tenses though. :hehe: 

Signed up to the premium membership for LingQ today, finding it really tough trying to read even the most basic stories as there is just so many words I don't know but I feel like this approach is really going to help me.  



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was it Tuscan Italian?

My family spoke pretty standard Italian if that's what you mean (with the odd Roman or Sicilian expression thrown in). I just meant that newsreaders speak so fast that if I don't focus all my energy on keeping up with them I get lost.

Plus I haven't spoken Italian out loud to anyone since my mid 20s when my grandparents passed away so my fluency has taken a bit of a battering even if it's mostly still all in there somewhere.
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I grew up speaking Italian and (even if I'm out of practice) I still consider myself reasonably fluent in "conversational" Italian and even I can't understand news broadcasters half the time.

was it Tuscan Italian?
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Booked a flight to Paris for the holidays and re-writing my notes madly until I go. Determined to give my French a right kick up the arse this time.

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My French has been somewhat slow going. I started off getting tutoring from my friends but when they got too busy to continue, i switched to self learning and an online course. I have a good ability of reading and writing using the Présent, Passé compose and impfarfait but my pronunciation and listening ability is atrocious because of the lack of conversational practice. It's making my rate of lowing far slower than at the same stage at German.

 I went to the local Institut Français (which the French Government runs) for an A2 to help out with this but it wasn't enough enough hours per week for it to be worth it. 

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pv4 - 11 Dec 2017 9:21 AM
A question I have been thinking about, from my exposure to Spanish and German. If any of my understandings are wrong, please correct me. I'm entirely about learning here.

In German there is der, die, das for "the" and it is based on the masculinity and femininity of words. Spanish has the same with el & la. 

And then in Spanish from what I understand, there are times you used a different word if you are talking to/from a man or woman. My example here is if I want to say "I am North American" in Spanish I say [sp] "Soy Norte Americano" but if I am a female I say "Soy Norte Americana". 

How in this day and age with gender fluid traffic lights has gender-specific languages not been completely reviewed and updated? What if the "night" doesn't want to be considered feminine, so becomes El Noche as opposed to La Noche? 

Are there people in this world fighting this fight? All the gender shit I see PC brigades attacking nowadays, I'm so surprised this isn't public enemy number 1. 

German genders aren't really based on the feminity and masculinity of the words but have essentially just been picked up at random over the centuries.  That is why it is so hard to remember which genders belong to which words (Aside from the obvious der Mann, die Frau etc).  The word for girl (Das Mädchen) is neutral.  It does my head in and i have studied the language for years.  

On the whole gender equality thing, there is actually a movement to remove the endings of nouns that change depending on gender such as Student/studentin which is fair enough.  You can't really change the gender markers though as the whole grammatical structure of German is based on them.
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A question I have been thinking about, from my exposure to Spanish and German. If any of my understandings are wrong, please correct me. I'm entirely about learning here.

In German there is der, die, das for "the" and it is based on the masculinity and femininity of words. Spanish has the same with el & la. 

And then in Spanish from what I understand, there are times you used a different word if you are talking to/from a man or woman. My example here is if I want to say "I am North American" in Spanish I say [sp] "Soy Norte Americano" but if I am a female I say "Soy Norte Americana". 

How in this day and age with gender fluid traffic lights has gender-specific languages not been completely reviewed and updated? What if the "night" doesn't want to be considered feminine, so becomes El Noche as opposed to La Noche? 

Are there people in this world fighting this fight? All the gender shit I see PC brigades attacking nowadays, I'm so surprised this isn't public enemy number 1. 
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aufc_ole - 7 Dec 2017 1:47 PM
Will be in Montreal for a couple weeks, early March next year. Might try and get some basic French under my belt.

Babes, pay for my ticket and I'll be your translator for free

xox la femme des cancans 


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Captain Haddock - 6 Dec 2017 11:15 AM
@ Level 9 for Spanish on Duolingo now.

Yet if I watch the language news on SBS it still sounds as if they're speaking at 2x normal speed. I'm beginning to understand the basic adjoining words and plurals, but obviously it's different understanding it on Duolingo vs having to speak it to somebody in real-time or living in a country where everybody presumes you've spoken the language since early childhood...

I grew up speaking Italian and (even if I'm out of practice) I still consider myself reasonably fluent in "conversational" Italian and even I can't understand news broadcasters half the time.
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I've started learning Spanish about 3 weeks ago, now up to Level 5 - 15% fluency rating. Think I'm doing ok but I've had troubles with the Ñ and the rolling of the R's but I'm getting there. Although I like Duolingo I think I might have to pick up a book on some common phrases/words and i've also been told to try and find some children books. 

I work with a number of Spanish people and they've been really helpful. Have you spoken to anyone in real-time yet? Even having the most basic of a conversation is very tough. 

Funny enough, right around the WCQ this Honduran chick added me on Fb (legit, not one of those whore accounts). She spoke no English, but I was able to communicate with her back and forth on WhatsApp using Google translate if I had to.

The litmus test will be when I chat to somebody F2F, of course...

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Will be in Montreal for a couple weeks, early March next year. Might try and get some basic French under my belt.
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Captain Haddock - 6 Dec 2017 11:15 AM
@ Level 9 for Spanish on Duolingo now.

Yet if I watch the language news on SBS it still sounds as if they're speaking at 2x normal speed. I'm beginning to understand the basic adjoining words and plurals, but obviously it's different understanding it on Duolingo vs having to speak it to somebody in real-time or living in a country where everybody presumes you've spoken the language since early childhood...

I've started learning Spanish about 3 weeks ago, now up to Level 5 - 15% fluency rating. Think I'm doing ok but I've had troubles with the Ñ and the rolling of the R's but I'm getting there. Although I like Duolingo I think I might have to pick up a book on some common phrases/words and i've also been told to try and find some children books. 

I work with a number of Spanish people and they've been really helpful. Have you spoken to anyone in real-time yet? Even having the most basic of a conversation is very tough. 
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@ Level 9 for Spanish on Duolingo now.

Yet if I watch the language news on SBS it still sounds as if they're speaking at 2x normal speed. I'm beginning to understand the basic adjoining words and plurals, but obviously it's different understanding it on Duolingo vs having to speak it to somebody in real-time or living in a country where everybody presumes you've spoken the language since early childhood...

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French is going well. Thinking of progressing it further and finally going for my B2 before trying my hand at C1 during long service.


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