The AFL should ditch the behind and stick with goals


The AFL should ditch the behind and stick with goals

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Jeff W wrote:
This Kerr article about Aussie Rules reminds me of inane and moronic Graham Cornes articles 'discussing' Soccer. People who don't follow or like a sport and know jack shit about why certain aspects of that sport exist should just shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing themselves.

Historically, Aussie Rules originally started with just two posts and the only score being a goal. To encourage more attacking play and scoring shorts, the 'behind' was introduced by adding two smaller posts either side of the goalposts. Initially, the 'behind' was for tiebreaker situations but in a short space of time it became officially part of the scoring system. Behinds make draws very rare in Aussie Rules and in close games mean a team can go from winning to losing or vice versa with just one kick at goal. The kick-in after a behind is also tactically important. All nuances that a non-follower wouldn't understand nor appreciate.

The argument that removing it would create less blowouts is also swings and roundabouts nonsense. The 2008 AFL Grand Final between Hawthorn (18.7-115) and an inaccurate Geelong (11.23-89) would've seen the scores further apart without behinds. The 1977 Grand Final draw between North Melbourne (9.22-76) and Collingwood (10.16-76) is well remembered in Victoria for the amount of behinds kicked, and removing the behinds would've changed the result and the team that eventually won the premiership. Same thing happened in all 3 drawn Grand Finals. St Kilda would've won the 2010 premiership instead of Collingwood if only goals were recorded (well maybe they should be removed in that case :D).

As for Rugby League, when you go through the 108 years of NSWRL/NRL Grand Final scores, just under a half were blowouts or one-sided contests on the scoreboard. For every cracker like last year's, you have a blowout like the Grand Final the year before when Souths won 30-6. It's just the nature of the various sports. You don't stupidly argue that conversions should be removed just to make one-sided games on the scoreboard closer.

Id change the points system for football #-o

Loss 0
Scoreless draw 1
Draw 1-1 or higher 2
Win 6

Teams should be encouraged to score, especially in the A-League where there is no consequence for losing.

I went for double points instead of bringing in .5 points



Edited by scott21: 18/3/2016 01:56:39 AM
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As for changing the rules for rules. Perhaps scrap ball ups after goals and have the team that got the goal scored against them re-start with the mark on the 50m line or edge of the square (closet to their defending goal). Like basketball or something. You wouldnt even need a square. One team could start each quarter in possession.

With this introduction perhaps 5 players from each team have to be in (behind) the 50m line. So the field isnt too congested up the park.

Youd probably end up with re-start specialists like nfl.

Bomb - Specky - Goal
repeat

Edited by scott21: 18/3/2016 02:09:09 AM
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Jeff W wrote:
The 1977 Grand Final draw between North Melbourne (9.22-76) and Collingwood (10.16-76) is well remembered in Victoria for the amount of behinds kicked, and removing the behinds would've changed the result and the team that eventually won the premiership. Same thing happened in all 3 drawn Grand Finals. St Kilda would've won the 2010 premiership instead of Collingwood if only goals were recorded (well maybe they should be removed in that case :D).


So you're saying that if the rules were changed in this manner, the team that scored the most goals would have won the match.
And you're saying this as if it's a bad thing. :-k


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petszk wrote:

So you're saying that if the rules were changed in this manner, the team that scored the most goals would have won the match.
And you're saying this as if it's a bad thing. :-k

Many team sports have multiple ways of scoring and/or different points on offer for different scoring zones (both Rugbys, NFL, GAA, Basketball, etc) and even in Soccer you can win a game by the other team putting the ball in the back of their net without you actually scoring a goal yourself. The quirks in each sport are part of their nature and culture and are familiar to those that follow that particular sport.

In any case, not all behinds are scored by the attacking team. Some are deflected or rushed (fumbled to avoid a deliberate free kick) through by the defending team. Removing behinds would remove the scoring penalty which would just encourage more rushing to gain a free possession. Some in the past have suggested copying Soccer and handing possession to the attacking team a certain distance from goal anytime the ball crosses the line to prevent rushed behinds, but it's unworkable in Aussie Rules whenever it has been trialed. It's too hard in a multi-player contest to know who last touched the ball before it crossed the line. Easier to just say it's a behind score and let the game flow.
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Jeff W wrote:
This Kerr article about Aussie Rules reminds me of inane and moronic Graham Cornes articles 'discussing' Soccer. People who don't follow or like a sport and know jack shit about why certain aspects of that sport exist should just shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing themselves.

Historically, Aussie Rules originally started with just two posts and the only score being a goal. To encourage more attacking play and scoring shorts, the 'behind' was introduced by adding two smaller posts either side of the goalposts. Initially, the 'behind' was for tiebreaker situations but in a short space of time it became officially part of the scoring system. Behinds make draws very rare in Aussie Rules and in close games mean a team can go from winning to losing or vice versa with just one kick at goal. The kick-in after a behind is also tactically important. All nuances that a non-follower wouldn't understand nor appreciate.

The argument that removing it would create less blowouts is also swings and roundabouts nonsense. The 2008 AFL Grand Final between Hawthorn (18.7-115) and an inaccurate Geelong (11.23-89) would've seen the scores further apart without behinds. The 1977 Grand Final draw between North Melbourne (9.22-76) and Collingwood (10.16-76) is well remembered in Victoria for the amount of behinds kicked, and removing the behinds would've changed the result and the team that eventually won the premiership. Same thing happened in all 3 drawn Grand Finals. St Kilda would've won the 2010 premiership instead of Collingwood if only goals were recorded (well maybe they should be removed in that case :D).

As for Rugby League, when you go through the 108 years of NSWRL/NRL Grand Final scores, just under a half were blowouts or one-sided contests on the scoreboard. For every cracker like last year's, you have a blowout like the Grand Final the year before when Souths won 30-6. It's just the nature of the various sports. You don't stupidly argue that conversions should be removed just to make one-sided games on the scoreboard closer.


It's obviously struck a nerve with someone.
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The point post is just part of a long line of obscurities that make this one of the least skillful popular ball games. Any sport where players can have never played the game before yet get can still get professional contracts and even excel will never be taken seriously by the international sporting community.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
tsf wrote:
The point post is just part of a long line of obscurities that make this one of the least skillful popular ball games. Any sport where players can have never played the game before yet get can still get professional contracts and even excel will never be taken seriously by the international sporting community.


Agreed. But at least they knew he was shit.
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