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11.mvfc.11 wrote:mcjules wrote:Tasteless comic posted that's disrespectful to terrorist victims with a comment that can easily be construed by as a personal attack (and the subject of the attack took offence to it). 11.mvfc.11 is always trying to push the boundaries yet I don't think I've ever seen him get reprimanded.
Pretty pathetic all round really.
I push the boundaries, but never vilify or threaten posters. I am open to discussion and willing to cop any flak sent my way, but don't get offended when something doesn't fit with your agenda. Nothing to do with it not fitting my agenda. Many people in this thread have a different opinion to mine and yet I haven't "taken offence", just think there are some dickheads on here that aren't so interested in actually putting forward an argument but are instead just name calling and strawmanning them. I was pleased that Crusader toned it back a bit in recent posts because removing the angry subtext, he makes points that I can respect even though I don't agree with them. I recognise that most of you are under 25 so it shouldn't be a surprise that it degenerates to this, just feel sorry for those that spend the time to post something significant outlining their opinion only to get a bunch of hurr durr replies. So I wonder why I (and quickflick) took issue with that post featuring that particular comic? Anyone with half a brain cell could work it out so stop being disingenuous...
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:mcjules wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:mcjules wrote:Tasteless comic posted that's disrespectful to terrorist victims with a comment that can easily be construed by as a personal attack (and the subject of the attack took offence to it). 11.mvfc.11 is always trying to push the boundaries yet I don't think I've ever seen him get reprimanded.
Pretty pathetic all round really.
I push the boundaries, but never vilify or threaten posters. I am open to discussion and willing to cop any flak sent my way, but don't get offended when something doesn't fit with your agenda. Nothing to do with it not fitting my agenda. Many people in this thread have a different opinion to mine and yet I haven't "taken offence", just think there are some dickheads on here that aren't so interested in actually putting forward an argument but are instead just name calling and strawmanning them. I was pleased that Crusader toned it back a bit in recent posts because removing the angry subtext, he makes points that I can respect even though I don't agree with them. I recognise that most of you are under 25 so it shouldn't be a surprise that it degenerates to this, just feel sorry for those that spend the time to post something significant outlining their opinion only to get a bunch of hurr durr replies. So I wonder why I (and quickflick) took issue with that post featuring that particular comic? Anyone with half a brain cell could work it out so stop being disingenuous... Your first paragraph I mainly agree with. I agree that as I am still quite young in comparison to the more level headed posters here, I may come across as crass and ill-informed, and to some extent you'd be right. However, taking issue with a comic because you don't like what it depicts is one step away from shooting the artist who drew Muhammad. Don't be so precious. If it's one step, it's a pretty big step. I don't believe there should be any repercussions for the artist that drew the comic, however there are certainly forums where particular bits of content are not appropriate. I am almost certain Next Media Group do not want pictures of Mohammed posted here. Same goes for pornographic images, depictions of violence (guess what that comic is) and other questionable content. Anyway I've said my piece, I think it's tasteless however I'm not a mod and if Kevin and the team are happy for that type of stuff and it's use to vilify another poster so be it.
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Right wing mentality - as night follows day. Simplistic thinking is more dangerous than ISIS Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:The annoying part of these attacks is it gives legitimacy (perceived) to the upcoming inevitable right wing fear mongering from Turnbull, Cruz/Trump, et al. (heck, Cruz has already jumped on it & so has Turnbull to a lesser extent regarding border force striking)
Murdoch media + 'terror' attacks - long term free kicks for the right wing. No wonder they do nothing in opposition & very little structurally & strategically when in government Quote:Belgium's Ambassador to Australia says it is "dangerous" for Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull to link the European refugee crisis with this week's deadly attacks in Brussels....
...."It's dangerous because it's precisely what ISIS wants — that we would make a confusion between terrorism and migrants and between terrorism and Islam," he said.
"My view is that the terrorists who committed the latest attacks and in Paris and in Belgium are European-raised and born. Maybe from foreign origins, but they are Europeans.
"So it has nothing to do with the refugee crisis and I think that is the main danger to assimilate that."...
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Right wing mentality - as night follows day. Simplistic thinking is more dangerous than ISIS Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:The annoying part of these attacks is it gives legitimacy (perceived) to the upcoming inevitable right wing fear mongering from Turnbull, Cruz/Trump, et al. (heck, Cruz has already jumped on it & so has Turnbull to a lesser extent regarding border force striking)
Murdoch media + 'terror' attacks - long term free kicks for the right wing. No wonder they do nothing in opposition & very little structurally & strategically when in government Quote:Belgium's Ambassador to Australia says it is "dangerous" for Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull to link the European refugee crisis with this week's deadly attacks in Brussels....
...."It's dangerous because it's precisely what ISIS wants — that we would make a confusion between terrorism and migrants and between terrorism and Islam," he said.
"My view is that the terrorists who committed the latest attacks and in Paris and in Belgium are European-raised and born. Maybe from foreign origins, but they are Europeans.
"So it has nothing to do with the refugee crisis and I think that is the main danger to assimilate that."... Dozens of people are dead and you bring your trolling left wing/right wing bullshit to this thread. F*** off.
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scotty21 wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Right wing mentality - as night follows day. Simplistic thinking is more dangerous than ISIS Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:The annoying part of these attacks is it gives legitimacy (perceived) to the upcoming inevitable right wing fear mongering from Turnbull, Cruz/Trump, et al. (heck, Cruz has already jumped on it & so has Turnbull to a lesser extent regarding border force striking)
Murdoch media + 'terror' attacks - long term free kicks for the right wing. No wonder they do nothing in opposition & very little structurally & strategically when in government Quote:Belgium's Ambassador to Australia says it is "dangerous" for Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull to link the European refugee crisis with this week's deadly attacks in Brussels....
...."It's dangerous because it's precisely what ISIS wants — that we would make a confusion between terrorism and migrants and between terrorism and Islam," he said.
"My view is that the terrorists who committed the latest attacks and in Paris and in Belgium are European-raised and born. Maybe from foreign origins, but they are Europeans.
"So it has nothing to do with the refugee crisis and I think that is the main danger to assimilate that."... Dozens of people are dead and you bring your trolling left wing/right wing bullshit to this thread. F*** off. It doesn't make a difference to him. Murdoch Rags is in the same camp as Stalin , Chairman Mao, Castro, Hugo Chavez and Kim Jong Il.... Human lives are just and should be cannon fodder if it stands in the way of the Communist Manifesto. Just look at the millions of people that have died under these dictators. Im in no way saying that the Right does not have their fair share of evil doers in Hitler, Mussolini,etc...in fact they are all the same Edited by SocaWho: 24/3/2016 11:42:22 AMEdited by SocaWho: 24/3/2016 11:42:37 AM
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Eastern Glory wrote:Dr Ben Carson wrote:Crusader wrote:Joffa wrote:Crusader wrote:marconi101 wrote:Terrorism isn't exclusive to religion or to a certain religion. It permeates ideologies: from anarchists and fundamentalist Muslims, leftist and conservative groups, ethnic groups to religious groups. The vast majority of terrorism over history has been politically-motivated. If you have a social/political/economic system where an impassioned minority have, according to them, been repressed then they, if they have access to weaponry, will most likely indulge in terrorist or anti-state activities.
ISIL however is different. They have a political motive that is intrinsically linked to their religious motive: the introduction of a Salafist, Sharia Law enforced caliphate. Why they exist IMO has more to do with recent geo-political movements and actions in the Middle East more so than the religion itself (although of course they draw inspiration from its darker passages). The poor socio-economic status of that area, coupled with the decades long series of Western intervention and the radicalization of Islamic sects have created a perfect storm for a group like ISIL to sprout up.
I'm doing a political science course at uni on global terrorism and simply stating Islam as the root cause or problem is simply illogical and untrue, there are many factors involved. So a well educated young muslim from a prosperous family makes a video describing how he plans to kill the infidel for islam, shouts Allahu akbar and blows himself up but it is ok islam had nothing to do with it. You heard so at uni. He's correct, Islam has little to do with what is happening in the same way that Catholicism had little to do with the IRA or the Holocaust....no matter how badly some people wish to believe it to be so. Completely wrong. Their is nothing in Catholic or Christian theology to justify the IRA or holocaust, however the actions of ISIS in terrorism, rape, slavery, pedophilia and murder are fully justified within islamic jurisprudence, the hadiths and the Koran. ISIS go to great lengths to justify their actions by making direct links between their actions and those of their prophet. Nail on the head. As much as I want to deny it. I'm coming around to this... I'm not suggesting that there should be, but I wonder if there will ever be an inquest in Australia as to whether to ban books like the Quran and Hadiths, if it's blatantly clear that they incite violence against the Australian populous? I think in reality, we really are only one more attack away from that idea gathering some followers. And that is the danger that political correctness and SJWs like Quicklflick who use it as a weapon to silence others. You aren't a bigot and want to see a discussion about a serious issue but will be vilified if you voice a reasoned opinion.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:Hopefully this is more to your taste mcjules and quickflick  You will not make any progress using humour with hardcore leftists, they simply do not understand the concept.
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SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:Tasteless comic posted that's disrespectful to terrorist victims with a comment that can easily be construed by as a personal attack (and the subject of the attack took offence to it). 11.mvfc.11 is always trying to push the boundaries yet I don't think I've ever seen him get reprimanded.
Pretty pathetic all round really.
youre only offended because it depicts left wingers copping the brunt of militant islam in the event of a terrorist attack. you miss the point of the cartoon. now youre playing the politically correct card.... youre as bad as those extremists who think its offensive to draw a picture of allah ha...disrespectful to the victims? ...lets face it , you really dont give a shit about the victims either way and just saying it to create a new shitstorm of playing the race or bigot card. and you talk about strawman arguments. your hypocrisy is never ending Edited by Socawho: 24/3/2016 09:04:42 AM =d>
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Crusader wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:Hopefully this is more to your taste mcjules and quickflick You will not make any progress using humour with hardcore leftists, they simply do not understand the concept. I actually found that one fine and humourous. Wonder what that says.
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Waiting for Godwin's Law...  Edited by condemned666: 24/3/2016 11:56:02 AM
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Crusader wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Dr Ben Carson wrote:Crusader wrote:Joffa wrote:Crusader wrote:marconi101 wrote:Terrorism isn't exclusive to religion or to a certain religion. It permeates ideologies: from anarchists and fundamentalist Muslims, leftist and conservative groups, ethnic groups to religious groups. The vast majority of terrorism over history has been politically-motivated. If you have a social/political/economic system where an impassioned minority have, according to them, been repressed then they, if they have access to weaponry, will most likely indulge in terrorist or anti-state activities.
ISIL however is different. They have a political motive that is intrinsically linked to their religious motive: the introduction of a Salafist, Sharia Law enforced caliphate. Why they exist IMO has more to do with recent geo-political movements and actions in the Middle East more so than the religion itself (although of course they draw inspiration from its darker passages). The poor socio-economic status of that area, coupled with the decades long series of Western intervention and the radicalization of Islamic sects have created a perfect storm for a group like ISIL to sprout up.
I'm doing a political science course at uni on global terrorism and simply stating Islam as the root cause or problem is simply illogical and untrue, there are many factors involved. So a well educated young muslim from a prosperous family makes a video describing how he plans to kill the infidel for islam, shouts Allahu akbar and blows himself up but it is ok islam had nothing to do with it. You heard so at uni. He's correct, Islam has little to do with what is happening in the same way that Catholicism had little to do with the IRA or the Holocaust....no matter how badly some people wish to believe it to be so. Completely wrong. Their is nothing in Catholic or Christian theology to justify the IRA or holocaust, however the actions of ISIS in terrorism, rape, slavery, pedophilia and murder are fully justified within islamic jurisprudence, the hadiths and the Koran. ISIS go to great lengths to justify their actions by making direct links between their actions and those of their prophet. Nail on the head. As much as I want to deny it. I'm coming around to this... I'm not suggesting that there should be, but I wonder if there will ever be an inquest in Australia as to whether to ban books like the Quran and Hadiths, if it's blatantly clear that they incite violence against the Australian populous? I think in reality, we really are only one more attack away from that idea gathering some followers. And that is the danger that political correctness and SJWs like Quicklflick who use it as a weapon to silence others. You aren't a bigot and want to see a discussion about a serious issue but will be vilified if you voice a reasoned opinion. Dont I know it.
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Crusader wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Dr Ben Carson wrote:Crusader wrote:Joffa wrote:Crusader wrote:marconi101 wrote:Terrorism isn't exclusive to religion or to a certain religion. It permeates ideologies: from anarchists and fundamentalist Muslims, leftist and conservative groups, ethnic groups to religious groups. The vast majority of terrorism over history has been politically-motivated. If you have a social/political/economic system where an impassioned minority have, according to them, been repressed then they, if they have access to weaponry, will most likely indulge in terrorist or anti-state activities.
ISIL however is different. They have a political motive that is intrinsically linked to their religious motive: the introduction of a Salafist, Sharia Law enforced caliphate. Why they exist IMO has more to do with recent geo-political movements and actions in the Middle East more so than the religion itself (although of course they draw inspiration from its darker passages). The poor socio-economic status of that area, coupled with the decades long series of Western intervention and the radicalization of Islamic sects have created a perfect storm for a group like ISIL to sprout up.
I'm doing a political science course at uni on global terrorism and simply stating Islam as the root cause or problem is simply illogical and untrue, there are many factors involved. So a well educated young muslim from a prosperous family makes a video describing how he plans to kill the infidel for islam, shouts Allahu akbar and blows himself up but it is ok islam had nothing to do with it. You heard so at uni. He's correct, Islam has little to do with what is happening in the same way that Catholicism had little to do with the IRA or the Holocaust....no matter how badly some people wish to believe it to be so. Completely wrong. Their is nothing in Catholic or Christian theology to justify the IRA or holocaust, however the actions of ISIS in terrorism, rape, slavery, pedophilia and murder are fully justified within islamic jurisprudence, the hadiths and the Koran. ISIS go to great lengths to justify their actions by making direct links between their actions and those of their prophet. Nail on the head. As much as I want to deny it. I'm coming around to this... I'm not suggesting that there should be, but I wonder if there will ever be an inquest in Australia as to whether to ban books like the Quran and Hadiths, if it's blatantly clear that they incite violence against the Australian populous? I think in reality, we really are only one more attack away from that idea gathering some followers. And that is the danger that political correctness and SJWs like Quicklflick who use it as a weapon to silence others. You aren't a bigot and want to see a discussion about a serious issue but will be vilified if you voice a reasoned opinion. I wouldn't suggest EG's statement is bigoted but it's not "blatantly clear that they incite violence against the Australian populous(sic)".
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mcjules wrote:Crusader wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Dr Ben Carson wrote:Crusader wrote:Joffa wrote:Crusader wrote:marconi101 wrote:Terrorism isn't exclusive to religion or to a certain religion. It permeates ideologies: from anarchists and fundamentalist Muslims, leftist and conservative groups, ethnic groups to religious groups. The vast majority of terrorism over history has been politically-motivated. If you have a social/political/economic system where an impassioned minority have, according to them, been repressed then they, if they have access to weaponry, will most likely indulge in terrorist or anti-state activities.
ISIL however is different. They have a political motive that is intrinsically linked to their religious motive: the introduction of a Salafist, Sharia Law enforced caliphate. Why they exist IMO has more to do with recent geo-political movements and actions in the Middle East more so than the religion itself (although of course they draw inspiration from its darker passages). The poor socio-economic status of that area, coupled with the decades long series of Western intervention and the radicalization of Islamic sects have created a perfect storm for a group like ISIL to sprout up.
I'm doing a political science course at uni on global terrorism and simply stating Islam as the root cause or problem is simply illogical and untrue, there are many factors involved. So a well educated young muslim from a prosperous family makes a video describing how he plans to kill the infidel for islam, shouts Allahu akbar and blows himself up but it is ok islam had nothing to do with it. You heard so at uni. He's correct, Islam has little to do with what is happening in the same way that Catholicism had little to do with the IRA or the Holocaust....no matter how badly some people wish to believe it to be so. Completely wrong. Their is nothing in Catholic or Christian theology to justify the IRA or holocaust, however the actions of ISIS in terrorism, rape, slavery, pedophilia and murder are fully justified within islamic jurisprudence, the hadiths and the Koran. ISIS go to great lengths to justify their actions by making direct links between their actions and those of their prophet. Nail on the head. As much as I want to deny it. I'm coming around to this... I'm not suggesting that there should be, but I wonder if there will ever be an inquest in Australia as to whether to ban books like the Quran and Hadiths, if it's blatantly clear that they incite violence against the Australian populous? I think in reality, we really are only one more attack away from that idea gathering some followers. And that is the danger that political correctness and SJWs like Quicklflick who use it as a weapon to silence others. You aren't a bigot and want to see a discussion about a serious issue but will be vilified if you voice a reasoned opinion. I wouldn't suggest EG's statement is bigoted but it's not "blatantly clear that they incite violence against the Australian populous(sic)". So defining Australia as part of Dar al harb, with all that entails, is not an incitement to violence?
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Crusader wrote:mcjules wrote:Crusader wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Dr Ben Carson wrote:Crusader wrote:Joffa wrote:Crusader wrote:marconi101 wrote:Terrorism isn't exclusive to religion or to a certain religion. It permeates ideologies: from anarchists and fundamentalist Muslims, leftist and conservative groups, ethnic groups to religious groups. The vast majority of terrorism over history has been politically-motivated. If you have a social/political/economic system where an impassioned minority have, according to them, been repressed then they, if they have access to weaponry, will most likely indulge in terrorist or anti-state activities.
ISIL however is different. They have a political motive that is intrinsically linked to their religious motive: the introduction of a Salafist, Sharia Law enforced caliphate. Why they exist IMO has more to do with recent geo-political movements and actions in the Middle East more so than the religion itself (although of course they draw inspiration from its darker passages). The poor socio-economic status of that area, coupled with the decades long series of Western intervention and the radicalization of Islamic sects have created a perfect storm for a group like ISIL to sprout up.
I'm doing a political science course at uni on global terrorism and simply stating Islam as the root cause or problem is simply illogical and untrue, there are many factors involved. So a well educated young muslim from a prosperous family makes a video describing how he plans to kill the infidel for islam, shouts Allahu akbar and blows himself up but it is ok islam had nothing to do with it. You heard so at uni. He's correct, Islam has little to do with what is happening in the same way that Catholicism had little to do with the IRA or the Holocaust....no matter how badly some people wish to believe it to be so. Completely wrong. Their is nothing in Catholic or Christian theology to justify the IRA or holocaust, however the actions of ISIS in terrorism, rape, slavery, pedophilia and murder are fully justified within islamic jurisprudence, the hadiths and the Koran. ISIS go to great lengths to justify their actions by making direct links between their actions and those of their prophet. Nail on the head. As much as I want to deny it. I'm coming around to this... I'm not suggesting that there should be, but I wonder if there will ever be an inquest in Australia as to whether to ban books like the Quran and Hadiths, if it's blatantly clear that they incite violence against the Australian populous? I think in reality, we really are only one more attack away from that idea gathering some followers. And that is the danger that political correctness and SJWs like Quicklflick who use it as a weapon to silence others. You aren't a bigot and want to see a discussion about a serious issue but will be vilified if you voice a reasoned opinion. I wouldn't suggest EG's statement is bigoted but it's not "blatantly clear that they incite violence against the Australian populous(sic)". So defining Australia as part of Dar al harb, with all that entails, is not an incitement to violence? I'm no expert in Islam but is Dar al harb ever mentioned in the Quran or the Hadiths? Wikipedia at least says no but I don't like trusting that source. If not this is exactly the problem with statements like EG's.
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scotty21 wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Right wing mentality - as night follows day. Simplistic thinking is more dangerous than ISIS Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:The annoying part of these attacks is it gives legitimacy (perceived) to the upcoming inevitable right wing fear mongering from Turnbull, Cruz/Trump, et al. (heck, Cruz has already jumped on it & so has Turnbull to a lesser extent regarding border force striking)
Murdoch media + 'terror' attacks - long term free kicks for the right wing. No wonder they do nothing in opposition & very little structurally & strategically when in government Quote:Belgium's Ambassador to Australia says it is "dangerous" for Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull to link the European refugee crisis with this week's deadly attacks in Brussels....
...."It's dangerous because it's precisely what ISIS wants — that we would make a confusion between terrorism and migrants and between terrorism and Islam," he said.
"My view is that the terrorists who committed the latest attacks and in Paris and in Belgium are European-raised and born. Maybe from foreign origins, but they are Europeans.
"So it has nothing to do with the refugee crisis and I think that is the main danger to assimilate that."... Dozens of people are dead and you bring your trolling left wing/right wing bullshit to this thread. F*** off. I am not trolling. I am raising the real & much bigger danger of simplistic thinking. That said, I have a long way to reach the heady heights of this 11.mvfc.11 wrote:Quickflick is somewhere between the axle and the mudflaps 
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:scotty21 wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Right wing mentality - as night follows day. Simplistic thinking is more dangerous than ISIS Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:The annoying part of these attacks is it gives legitimacy (perceived) to the upcoming inevitable right wing fear mongering from Turnbull, Cruz/Trump, et al. (heck, Cruz has already jumped on it & so has Turnbull to a lesser extent regarding border force striking)
Murdoch media + 'terror' attacks - long term free kicks for the right wing. No wonder they do nothing in opposition & very little structurally & strategically when in government Quote:Belgium's Ambassador to Australia says it is "dangerous" for Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull to link the European refugee crisis with this week's deadly attacks in Brussels....
...."It's dangerous because it's precisely what ISIS wants — that we would make a confusion between terrorism and migrants and between terrorism and Islam," he said.
"My view is that the terrorists who committed the latest attacks and in Paris and in Belgium are European-raised and born. Maybe from foreign origins, but they are Europeans.
"So it has nothing to do with the refugee crisis and I think that is the main danger to assimilate that."... Dozens of people are dead and you bring your trolling left wing/right wing bullshit to this thread. F*** off. I am not trolling. I am raising the real & much bigger danger of simplistic thinking. That said, I have a long way to reach the heady heights of this 11.mvfc.11 wrote:Quickflick is somewhere between the axle and the mudflaps No, what you are doing is sad, pathetic and disgusting. You are using a terrible and tragic event to peddle the same bullshit you peddle day in and day out. As for the cartoon Is it in poor taste? Yeah Probably Is it accurate? Yep, Do you really think that Muhammad Al-Isis is going to ask you if you're a lefty before he blows you up? Edited by scotty21: 24/3/2016 12:26:33 PM
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Is it accurate? Yep, Do you really think that Muhammad Al-Isis is going to ask you if you're a lefty before he blows you up?
Could be argued that a statement like this is sad, pathetic & disgusting
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Good cartoon. It cuts to the bone of the issue hence why the apologetics are offended by it.
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:scotty21 wrote:
Is it accurate? Yep, Do you really think that Muhammad Al-Isis is going to ask you if you're a lefty before he blows you up?
Could be argued that a statement like this is sad, pathetic & disgusting How so? I am not having a crack at Islam or Muslims I am referring to extremists. I am saying that these people give zero fucks about left and right they just want to kill people. So why deflect and blame the "evil government" and use stupid phrases like "simplistic thinking". Why not focus on the issue of ending extremism? Also lol at the selective quoting. Edited by scotty21: 24/3/2016 12:34:29 PMEdited by scotty21: 24/3/2016 12:34:48 PM
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"ending extremism" are empty words. This is what Obama says, it achieves nothing and is impossible to achieve unless you put every person on the planet on drugs.
"Extremism" is just another excuse given to a doctrine that advocates ongoing violence against non-believers.
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scotty21 wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:scotty21 wrote:
Is it accurate? Yep, Do you really think that Muhammad Al-Isis is going to ask you if you're a lefty before he blows you up?
Could be argued that a statement like this is sad, pathetic & disgusting How so? I am not having a crack at Islam or Muslims I am referring to extremists. I am saying that these people give zero fucks about left and right they just want to kill people. So why deflect and blame the "evil government" and use stupid phrases like "simplistic thinking". Why not focus on the issue of ending extremism? Also lol at the selective quoting. It seems what you couldn't grasp is I am raising the big picture, which you construe as being insensitive. Its worth noting it was a right wing government that 'took us' into the Iraq war on lies & simplism & is typically insensitive to the plight of refugees. Your statement is bluntly about death, including the term 'Muhammad Al-Isis'
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mcjules wrote:Crusader wrote:mcjules wrote:Crusader wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Dr Ben Carson wrote:Crusader wrote:Joffa wrote:Crusader wrote:marconi101 wrote:Terrorism isn't exclusive to religion or to a certain religion. It permeates ideologies: from anarchists and fundamentalist Muslims, leftist and conservative groups, ethnic groups to religious groups. The vast majority of terrorism over history has been politically-motivated. If you have a social/political/economic system where an impassioned minority have, according to them, been repressed then they, if they have access to weaponry, will most likely indulge in terrorist or anti-state activities.
ISIL however is different. They have a political motive that is intrinsically linked to their religious motive: the introduction of a Salafist, Sharia Law enforced caliphate. Why they exist IMO has more to do with recent geo-political movements and actions in the Middle East more so than the religion itself (although of course they draw inspiration from its darker passages). The poor socio-economic status of that area, coupled with the decades long series of Western intervention and the radicalization of Islamic sects have created a perfect storm for a group like ISIL to sprout up.
I'm doing a political science course at uni on global terrorism and simply stating Islam as the root cause or problem is simply illogical and untrue, there are many factors involved. So a well educated young muslim from a prosperous family makes a video describing how he plans to kill the infidel for islam, shouts Allahu akbar and blows himself up but it is ok islam had nothing to do with it. You heard so at uni. He's correct, Islam has little to do with what is happening in the same way that Catholicism had little to do with the IRA or the Holocaust....no matter how badly some people wish to believe it to be so. Completely wrong. Their is nothing in Catholic or Christian theology to justify the IRA or holocaust, however the actions of ISIS in terrorism, rape, slavery, pedophilia and murder are fully justified within islamic jurisprudence, the hadiths and the Koran. ISIS go to great lengths to justify their actions by making direct links between their actions and those of their prophet. Nail on the head. As much as I want to deny it. I'm coming around to this... I'm not suggesting that there should be, but I wonder if there will ever be an inquest in Australia as to whether to ban books like the Quran and Hadiths, if it's blatantly clear that they incite violence against the Australian populous? I think in reality, we really are only one more attack away from that idea gathering some followers. And that is the danger that political correctness and SJWs like Quicklflick who use it as a weapon to silence others. You aren't a bigot and want to see a discussion about a serious issue but will be vilified if you voice a reasoned opinion. I wouldn't suggest EG's statement is bigoted but it's not "blatantly clear that they incite violence against the Australian populous(sic)". So defining Australia as part of Dar al harb, with all that entails, is not an incitement to violence? I'm no expert in Islam but is Dar al harb ever mentioned in the Quran or the Hadiths? Wikipedia at least says no but I don't like trusting that source. If not this is exactly the problem with statements like EG's. And that is what is wrong with wikipedia. It is from the hadits, 4294
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:scotty21 wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:scotty21 wrote:
Is it accurate? Yep, Do you really think that Muhammad Al-Isis is going to ask you if you're a lefty before he blows you up?
Could be argued that a statement like this is sad, pathetic & disgusting How so? I am not having a crack at Islam or Muslims I am referring to extremists. I am saying that these people give zero fucks about left and right they just want to kill people. So why deflect and blame the "evil government" and use stupid phrases like "simplistic thinking". Why not focus on the issue of ending extremism? Also lol at the selective quoting. It seems what you couldn't grasp is I am raising the big picture, which you construe as bein Pg insensitive. Its worth noting it was a right wing government that 'took us' into the Iraq war on lies & simplism & is typically insensitive to the plight of refugees. Your statement is bluntly about death, including the term 'Muhammad Al-Isis' Great way to illustrate your lack of intellectual depth, dismiss all objections as failure to understand your grand vision and then come back with the most facile and irrelevant straw man possible. You are pretentious and deluded.
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:scotty21 wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:scotty21 wrote:
Is it accurate? Yep, Do you really think that Muhammad Al-Isis is going to ask you if you're a lefty before he blows you up?
Could be argued that a statement like this is sad, pathetic & disgusting How so? I am not having a crack at Islam or Muslims I am referring to extremists. I am saying that these people give zero fucks about left and right they just want to kill people. So why deflect and blame the "evil government" and use stupid phrases like "simplistic thinking". Why not focus on the issue of ending extremism? Also lol at the selective quoting. It seems what you couldn't grasp is I am raising the big picture, which you construe as being insensitive. Its worth noting it was a right wing government that 'took us' into the Iraq war on lies & simplism & is typically insensitive to the plight of refugees. Your statement is bluntly about death, including the term 'Muhammad Al-Isis' Maybe so, but you still didn't answer the questions. Do you think they'd leave you alone because you've defended them on social media a few times? Why deflect blame the "right wing government" instead of focusing on the issue of making sure this kind of terrible event never happens again?
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Crusader wrote:And that is what is wrong with wikipedia. It is from the hadits, 4294 As I said, I don't trust it outright. The reference for that statement is in a hard copy book so I couldn't verify it. Do you have a link to the actual text?
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Crusader wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:scotty21 wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:scotty21 wrote:
Is it accurate? Yep, Do you really think that Muhammad Al-Isis is going to ask you if you're a lefty before he blows you up?
Could be argued that a statement like this is sad, pathetic & disgusting How so? I am not having a crack at Islam or Muslims I am referring to extremists. I am saying that these people give zero fucks about left and right they just want to kill people. So why deflect and blame the "evil government" and use stupid phrases like "simplistic thinking". Why not focus on the issue of ending extremism? Also lol at the selective quoting. It seems what you couldn't grasp is I am raising the big picture, which you construe as bein Pg insensitive. Its worth noting it was a right wing government that 'took us' into the Iraq war on lies & simplism & is typically insensitive to the plight of refugees. Your statement is bluntly about death, including the term 'Muhammad Al-Isis' Great way to illustrate your lack of intellectual depth, dismiss all objections as failure to understand your grand vision and then come back with the most facile and irrelevant straw man possible. You are pretentious and deluded. Im just about ready to give up on him tbh.
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mcjules wrote:Crusader wrote:And that is what is wrong with wikipedia. It is from the hadits, 4294 As I said, I don't trust it outright. The reference for that statement is in a hard copy book so I couldn't verify it. Do you have a link to the actual text? you dont trust it...yet you reference it.
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:scotty21 wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:scotty21 wrote:
Is it accurate? Yep, Do you really think that Muhammad Al-Isis is going to ask you if you're a lefty before he blows you up?
Could be argued that a statement like this is sad, pathetic & disgusting How so? I am not having a crack at Islam or Muslims I am referring to extremists. I am saying that these people give zero fucks about left and right they just want to kill people. So why deflect and blame the "evil government" and use stupid phrases like "simplistic thinking". Why not focus on the issue of ending extremism? Also lol at the selective quoting. It seems what you couldn't grasp is I am raising the big picture, which you construe as being insensitive. Its worth noting it was a right wing government that 'took us' into the Iraq war on lies & simplism & is typically insensitive to the plight of refugees. Your statement is bluntly about death, including the term 'Muhammad Al-Isis' Rags...do me a favour...travel to Syria , proclaim to ISIS you are a Lefty and you fight for the same cause...and see if they dont force you to wear an orange jumpsuit.:lol: Edited by Socawho: 24/3/2016 01:12:33 PM
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I love it. The far left on my facebook has gone absolutely silent. And this is the issue. There is nothing to be said. Paris Brussels, New York, Jakarta, Sydney, Los Angeles and around we go. Munich or Berlin? I saw a complete dipshit who refuses to debate anything she reads. It was about the issues faced by muslims living in Las Vegas. Get tae fuck!
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:SocaWho wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:scotty21 wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:scotty21 wrote:
Is it accurate? Yep, Do you really think that Muhammad Al-Isis is going to ask you if you're a lefty before he blows you up?
Could be argued that a statement like this is sad, pathetic & disgusting How so? I am not having a crack at Islam or Muslims I am referring to extremists. I am saying that these people give zero fucks about left and right they just want to kill people. So why deflect and blame the "evil government" and use stupid phrases like "simplistic thinking". Why not focus on the issue of ending extremism? Also lol at the selective quoting. It seems what you couldn't grasp is I am raising the big picture, which you construe as being insensitive. Its worth noting it was a right wing government that 'took us' into the Iraq war on lies & simplism & is typically insensitive to the plight of refugees. Your statement is bluntly about death, including the term 'Muhammad Al-Isis' Rags...do me a favour...travel to Syria , proclaim to ISIS you are a Lefty and you fight for the same cause...and see if they dont force you to wear an orange jumpsuit.:lol: Edited by Socawho: 24/3/2016 01:12:33 PM  #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o These people have more in common with fascists than those whom they target their hatred toward. (and they are hateful people) The LGBT activist crowd are the equivalent to the brown shirts of early 1930's Nazi Germany. Once their purpose has been served they'll be disposed of by the Islamists in a night of long knives.
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