Brussels Terrorist Attack


Brussels Terrorist Attack

Author
Message
paladisious
paladisious
Legend
Legend (40K reputation)Legend (40K reputation)Legend (40K reputation)Legend (40K reputation)Legend (40K reputation)Legend (40K reputation)Legend (40K reputation)Legend (40K reputation)Legend (40K reputation)Legend (40K reputation)Legend (40K reputation)

Group: Moderators
Posts: 39K, Visits: 0
Dr Ben Carson wrote:
I post from one account. Not a multi.
You're blaming the victim now instead of sanctioning the person who is insulting.


I'm blaming who for what now? I just posted some numerical facts, I never accused anyone of anything, but you seem all defensive about something when all I posted was your own words. :-k

Pretty suss, dude.
Dr Ben Carson
Dr Ben Carson
Weekender
Weekender (40 reputation)Weekender (40 reputation)Weekender (40 reputation)Weekender (40 reputation)Weekender (40 reputation)Weekender (40 reputation)Weekender (40 reputation)Weekender (40 reputation)Weekender (40 reputation)Weekender (40 reputation)Weekender (40 reputation)

Group: Banned Members
Posts: 40, Visits: 0
paladisious wrote:
Dr Ben Carson wrote:
I post from one account. Not a multi.
You're blaming the victim now instead of sanctioning the person who is insulting.


I'm blaming who for what now? I just posted some numerical facts, I never accused anyone of anything, but you seem all defensive about something when all I posted was your own words. :-k

Pretty suss, dude.


Now you're trying to troll me. Why cant you stay on topic of this thread?
quickflick
quickflick
World Class
World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 6.1K, Visits: 0
Dan_The_Red wrote:
433 wrote:
quickflick wrote:
scott21 wrote:
quickflick wrote:


However here is where it gets tricky. The healthiest societies have fairly relaxed laws but very high moral standards. So 11.mvfc.11 can post distasteful cartoons as much as he likes. But it's disgusting and it's incumbent upon the rest of us to call him out for it.

You'll noticed I didn't ask for that cartoon to be taken down. I'm not authoritarian. But I think it behoves the rest of us to call it what it is... a disgrace.


nek minnut



They had the right to publish those cartoons. Nobody has the right to gun them down.

But, still, take a step back. They were being very insensitive to a people who are already very marginalised. And by God this is true, Muslims in France are treated like second-class citizens.

What did I say about healthy societies having relatively relaxed laws but high moral standards?

They lowered the moral standards by mocking Muslims.

Those who carried out (or co-ordinated) the attacks deserve to go to prison for life. But it's fucking stupid and insensitive of others to ridicule Muslims. They didn't deserve what they got. They are innocent victims. I'm not suggesting that is not the case. But it was fucking stupid of them to do it.

They were pouring fuel into a fire.

Everybody has a responsibility to tone it down and treat others the way they would like to be treated.

Don't ridicule, don't denigrate, don't add to the poisonous racist discourse, don't shoot, don't bomb.


So unless we're super nice to Islam and don't call it a violent cult, then Muslims will kill us.

Whereas if we're super nice to Islam and don't offer any critique whatsoever, then Muslims won't kill us.

By golly, what a peaceful people.


Mate Quickflick must surely be takin the piss, his argument is so ridiculous I'm still laughing from this morning. He changes the goalposts after every post it's so easy for everyone else to find the glaring flaw in his logic. This recent one is the perfect example. Seriously how disgusting is it to insinuate the Charlie hebdo attacks were warranted because of a satire piece of Mohammad, and then to lecture us about freedom of speech? What an idiot. Promoting that trail of thought leads to the destruction of civilisation.


Edited by Dan_The_Red: 24/3/2016 11:02:30 PM


Christ! Aren't you embittered. You're so wound up you're actually not even trying to misrepresent my opinion by wording. You've given up on that. You're actually just changing what I said.

When did I insinuate the Charlie Hebdo attack were warranted?

quickflick wrote:
Those who carried out (or co-ordinated) the attacks deserve to go to prison for life.


When did I say they didn't have the right to publish those cartoons?

quickflick wrote:
They had the right to publish those cartoons. Nobody has the right to gun them down.


Did you pass grade 3 reading comprehension class, pal?

Those statements make it fairly clear what my position. That the opposite of suggesting the attacks were warranted.

How have I moved the goalposts? I've said the same thing all along. Freedom of speech is sacrosanct (I'm a JS Mills devotee FFS!) but don't act like a%$ehole. Just treat people the way you want to be treated. Muslims in France (and elsewhere) are treated like second-class citizens.

How would you feel if people spat at you on the street? How would you feel if you were unable to procure the job you want because your name is Abdul. Then you say your name is Étienne, have the same qualifications and experience, and you get the job. That's the way it is for Muslims in France. It's a shit world. They're treated like shit.

You can hate me all you like. I'm not bothered. You can attempt to misrepresent what I've said all along, I can cope with that. You can even delude yourself into thinking that I've said things I haven't said. Whatever. That's says more about you than it does about me. You can fear Islamic extremism. That's understandable.

But I'll quote myself again.

quickflick wrote:
Don't ridicule, don't denigrate, don't add to the poisonous racist discourse, don't shoot, don't bomb


If you can't understand that. If you can't appreciate the importance of treating others the way you want to be treated (not just for them, but for your own growth as a person). If you can't do that, then you've got real problems and I feel really sorry for you.
SocaWho
SocaWho
World Class
World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 9.3K, Visits: 0
quickflick wrote:
Dan_The_Red wrote:
433 wrote:
quickflick wrote:
scott21 wrote:
quickflick wrote:


However here is where it gets tricky. The healthiest societies have fairly relaxed laws but very high moral standards. So 11.mvfc.11 can post distasteful cartoons as much as he likes. But it's disgusting and it's incumbent upon the rest of us to call him out for it.

You'll noticed I didn't ask for that cartoon to be taken down. I'm not authoritarian. But I think it behoves the rest of us to call it what it is... a disgrace.


nek minnut



They had the right to publish those cartoons. Nobody has the right to gun them down.

But, still, take a step back. They were being very insensitive to a people who are already very marginalised. And by God this is true, Muslims in France are treated like second-class citizens.

What did I say about healthy societies having relatively relaxed laws but high moral standards?

They lowered the moral standards by mocking Muslims.

Those who carried out (or co-ordinated) the attacks deserve to go to prison for life. But it's fucking stupid and insensitive of others to ridicule Muslims. They didn't deserve what they got. They are innocent victims. I'm not suggesting that is not the case. But it was fucking stupid of them to do it.

They were pouring fuel into a fire.

Everybody has a responsibility to tone it down and treat others the way they would like to be treated.

Don't ridicule, don't denigrate, don't add to the poisonous racist discourse, don't shoot, don't bomb.


So unless we're super nice to Islam and don't call it a violent cult, then Muslims will kill us.

Whereas if we're super nice to Islam and don't offer any critique whatsoever, then Muslims won't kill us.

By golly, what a peaceful people.


Mate Quickflick must surely be takin the piss, his argument is so ridiculous I'm still laughing from this morning. He changes the goalposts after every post it's so easy for everyone else to find the glaring flaw in his logic. This recent one is the perfect example. Seriously how disgusting is it to insinuate the Charlie hebdo attacks were warranted because of a satire piece of Mohammad, and then to lecture us about freedom of speech? What an idiot. Promoting that trail of thought leads to the destruction of civilisation.


Edited by Dan_The_Red: 24/3/2016 11:02:30 PM


Christ! Aren't you embittered. You're so wound up you're actually not even trying to misrepresent my opinion by wording. You've given up on that. You're actually just changing what I said.

When did I insinuate the Charlie Hebdo attack were warranted?

quickflick wrote:
Those who carried out (or co-ordinated) the attacks deserve to go to prison for life.


When did I say they didn't have the right to publish those cartoons?

quickflick wrote:
They had the right to publish those cartoons. Nobody has the right to gun them down.


Did you pass grade 3 reading comprehension class, pal?

Those statements make it fairly clear what my position. That the opposite of suggesting the attacks were warranted.

How have I moved the goalposts? I've said the same thing all along. Freedom of speech is sacrosanct (I'm a JS Mills devotee FFS!) but don't act like a%$ehole. Just treat people the way you want to be treated. Muslims in France (and elsewhere) are treated like second-class citizens.

How would you feel if people spat at you on the street? How would you feel if you were unable to procure the job you want because your name is Abdul. Then you say your name is Étienne, have the same qualifications and experience, and you get the job. That's the way it is for Muslims in France. It's a shit world. They're treated like shit.

You can hate me all you like. I'm not bothered. You can attempt to misrepresent what I've said all along, I can cope with that. You can even delude yourself into thinking that I've said things I haven't said. Whatever. That's says more about you than it does about me. You can fear Islamic extremism. That's understandable.

But I'll quote myself again.

quickflick wrote:
Don't ridicule, don't denigrate, don't add to the poisonous racist discourse, don't shoot, don't bomb


If you can't understand that. If you can't appreciate the importance of treating others the way you want to be treated (not just for them, but for your own growth as a person). If you can't do that, then you've got real problems and I feel really sorry for you.


Your narrative is quite simple...bend over and take it up the ass from these extremists . and to resist or fight back is nothing short of bigotry.

to quote your words

...Don't ridicule, don't denigrate, don't add to the poisonous racist discourse, don't shoot, don't bomb

you keep forgetting who did the bombing in brussels

Edited by Socawho: 25/3/2016 01:42:48 PM
Vanlassen
Vanlassen
Semi-Pro
Semi-Pro (1.4K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.4K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.4K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.4K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.4K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.4K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.4K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.4K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.4K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.4K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.4K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 1.3K, Visits: 0
TheDecider wrote:
Dr Ben Carson wrote:
mcjules wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
The thing is that the Lefties romanticise those horse riding jihadis with a blade riding off into the sunset in the same way they ideologise their cult hero Che Gueverra on T shirts


=d> Reaching for new heights of stupidity, as always. I'm amazed that you know who Che Guevarra is.


It cuts you to the bone you cant respond without insulting him and even less so with your regular account.


You can't argue with stupid.


But you can hide behind a Multi.
quickflick
quickflick
World Class
World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)World Class (6.3K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 6.1K, Visits: 0
Simon Jenkins, appearing in The Guardian on 24 March, 2016 wrote:
Think like the enemy. Let’s suppose I am an Islamic State terrorist. I don’t do bombs or bullets. I leave the dirty work to the crazies in the basement. My job is what happens next. It is to turn carnage into consequences, body parts into politics. I am a consultant terrorist. I wear a suit, not explosives. A blood-stained concourse is a means to an end. The end is power.

This week I had another success. I converted a squalid psychopathological act into a warrior-evoking, population-terrifying, policy-changing event. I sent a continent into shock. Famous politicians dropped everything to shower me with cliches. Crowned heads deluged me with glorious odium.

I measure my success in column inches and television hours, in ballooning security budgets, butchered liberties, amended laws and – my ultimate goal – Muslims persecuted and recruited to our cause. I deal not in actions but in reactions. I am a manipulator of politics. I work through the idiocies of my supposed enemies.

Textbooks on terrorism define its effects in four stages: first the horror, then the publicity, then the political grandstanding, and finally the climactic shift in policy. The initial act is banal. The atrocities in Brussels happen almost daily on the streets of Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus. Western missiles and Isis bombs kill more innocents in a week than die in Europe in a year. The difference is the media response. A dead Muslim is an unlucky mutt in the wrong place at the wrong time. A dead European is front-page news.

So on Tuesday the TV news channels behaved like Isis recruiting sergeants. Their blanket hyperbole showed not the slightest restraint (nor for that matter did that of most newspapers). The BBC flew Huw Edwards to Brussels. It flashed horror across the airwaves continually for 24 hours, incanting the words “panic”, “threat”, “menace” and “terror”. Vox pops wallowed in blood and guts. One reporter rode a London tube escalator to show possible future targets, to scare the wits out of commuters. It was a terrorist’s wildest dream.

With the ground thus prepared, the politicians entered on cue. France’s President Hollande declared “all of Europe has been hit”, megaphoning Isis’s crime. His approval rating immediately jumped.

David Cameron dived into his Cobra bunker and announced the UK “faces a very real terror threat”. An attack is now “highly likely”, according to the security services. Flags fly at half-mast. The Eiffel Tower is decked in Belgian colours. President Obama interrupts his Cuba visit to stand “in solidarity with Belgium”. Donald Trump declares that “Belgium and France are literally disintegrating”. It is hard to imagine what could more effectively promote the Isis cause.

Osama bin Laden set out on 9/11 to depict western nations as feckless and paranoid, their liberalism a surface charade easily punctured. A few explosions and their pretensions would wither and they would turn as repressive as any Muslim state.

By Tuesday evening, such a feeding frenzy was in full flood as the security lobby piled in. Cameron’s snoopers’ charter (or “investigatory powers” bill) was lauded as vital to national security. This is despite continued opposition both in parliament and from intelligence experts. This month in the Times, former NSA technical director Bill Binney ridiculed the bill’s “incredibly intrusive” powers of untargeted interception. Each citizen’s browsing history will soon be in the possession of the government, vulnerable to hacking by every marketer and blackmailer in the land.

Under the government’s Prevent strategy, universities and schools must develop programmes to counter “non-violent extremism, which can create an atmosphere conducive to terrorism”. The bureaucracy will be awesome. Primary schools are reportedly asking children to spy on one another to check “suspicious behaviour”. So must passengers on Virgin trains, as requested after each station. England is becoming old East Germany.

The Brexit camp, in the person of Ukip’s Nigel Farage, claims that Brussels proves the need to leave Europe. The home secretary, Theresa May, says the opposite. Terrorists would roam free, she says, since it would take 143 days to process terrorist DNA samples as against 15 minutes in the EU.

Reacting to terrorist incidents otherwise, in ways that do not play into terrorism’s hands, may seem hard. A free media feels a duty to report events, as politicians feel a duty to show they can protect the public. That it’s hard to show restraint is no excuse for actively promoting terror. Everyone involved in this week’s reaction, from journalists to politicians to security lobbyists, has an interest in terrorism. There is money, big money, to be made – the more terrifying it is presented, the more money.

We can respond to events in Brussels with a quiet and dignified sympathy, with candles and silences. To downplay something is not to ignore it. The terrorists have specific aims, deploying their atrocities for a political cause. There is no sensible defence in a free society against atrocity. But there is a defence against its purpose. It is to avoid hysteria, to show caution and a measure of courage, not Cameron’s lapse into public fear. It is not to alter laws, not to infringe liberties, not to persecute Muslims.

During the more dangerous and consistent IRA bombing campaigns of the 1970s and 1980s, Labour and Conservative governments insisted on treating terrorism as criminal, not political. They relied on the police and security services to guard against a threat that could never be eliminated, only diminished. On the whole it worked, and without undue harm to civil liberties.

Those who live under freedom know it demands a price, which is a degree of risk. We pay the state to protect us – but calmly, without constant boasting or fearmongering. We know that, in reality, life in Britain has never been safer. That it suits some people to pretend otherwise does not alter the fact.

In his admirable manual, Terrorism: How to Respond, the Belfast academic Richard English defines the threat to democracy as not the “limited danger” of death and destruction. It is the danger “of provoking ill-judged, extravagant and counterproductive state responses”.

The menace of Brussels lies not in the terror, but in the reaction to the terror. It is the reaction we should fear. But liberty never emerges from a Cobra bunker.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/24/scariest-brussels-reactoin-paranoid-politicians-isis-atrocity-belgium


SocaWho
SocaWho
World Class
World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)World Class (9.7K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 9.3K, Visits: 0
quickflick wrote:
Simon Jenkins, appearing in The Guardian on 24 March, 2016 wrote:
Think like the enemy. Let’s suppose I am an Islamic State terrorist. I don’t do bombs or bullets. I leave the dirty work to the crazies in the basement. My job is what happens next. It is to turn carnage into consequences, body parts into politics. I am a consultant terrorist. I wear a suit, not explosives. A blood-stained concourse is a means to an end. The end is power.

This week I had another success. I converted a squalid psychopathological act into a warrior-evoking, population-terrifying, policy-changing event. I sent a continent into shock. Famous politicians dropped everything to shower me with cliches. Crowned heads deluged me with glorious odium.

I measure my success in column inches and television hours, in ballooning security budgets, butchered liberties, amended laws and – my ultimate goal – Muslims persecuted and recruited to our cause. I deal not in actions but in reactions. I am a manipulator of politics. I work through the idiocies of my supposed enemies.

Textbooks on terrorism define its effects in four stages: first the horror, then the publicity, then the political grandstanding, and finally the climactic shift in policy. The initial act is banal. The atrocities in Brussels happen almost daily on the streets of Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus. Western missiles and Isis bombs kill more innocents in a week than die in Europe in a year. The difference is the media response. A dead Muslim is an unlucky mutt in the wrong place at the wrong time. A dead European is front-page news.

So on Tuesday the TV news channels behaved like Isis recruiting sergeants. Their blanket hyperbole showed not the slightest restraint (nor for that matter did that of most newspapers). The BBC flew Huw Edwards to Brussels. It flashed horror across the airwaves continually for 24 hours, incanting the words “panic”, “threat”, “menace” and “terror”. Vox pops wallowed in blood and guts. One reporter rode a London tube escalator to show possible future targets, to scare the wits out of commuters. It was a terrorist’s wildest dream.

With the ground thus prepared, the politicians entered on cue. France’s President Hollande declared “all of Europe has been hit”, megaphoning Isis’s crime. His approval rating immediately jumped.

David Cameron dived into his Cobra bunker and announced the UK “faces a very real terror threat”. An attack is now “highly likely”, according to the security services. Flags fly at half-mast. The Eiffel Tower is decked in Belgian colours. President Obama interrupts his Cuba visit to stand “in solidarity with Belgium”. Donald Trump declares that “Belgium and France are literally disintegrating”. It is hard to imagine what could more effectively promote the Isis cause.

Osama bin Laden set out on 9/11 to depict western nations as feckless and paranoid, their liberalism a surface charade easily punctured. A few explosions and their pretensions would wither and they would turn as repressive as any Muslim state.

By Tuesday evening, such a feeding frenzy was in full flood as the security lobby piled in. Cameron’s snoopers’ charter (or “investigatory powers” bill) was lauded as vital to national security. This is despite continued opposition both in parliament and from intelligence experts. This month in the Times, former NSA technical director Bill Binney ridiculed the bill’s “incredibly intrusive” powers of untargeted interception. Each citizen’s browsing history will soon be in the possession of the government, vulnerable to hacking by every marketer and blackmailer in the land.

Under the government’s Prevent strategy, universities and schools must develop programmes to counter “non-violent extremism, which can create an atmosphere conducive to terrorism”. The bureaucracy will be awesome. Primary schools are reportedly asking children to spy on one another to check “suspicious behaviour”. So must passengers on Virgin trains, as requested after each station. England is becoming old East Germany.

The Brexit camp, in the person of Ukip’s Nigel Farage, claims that Brussels proves the need to leave Europe. The home secretary, Theresa May, says the opposite. Terrorists would roam free, she says, since it would take 143 days to process terrorist DNA samples as against 15 minutes in the EU.

Reacting to terrorist incidents otherwise, in ways that do not play into terrorism’s hands, may seem hard. A free media feels a duty to report events, as politicians feel a duty to show they can protect the public. That it’s hard to show restraint is no excuse for actively promoting terror. Everyone involved in this week’s reaction, from journalists to politicians to security lobbyists, has an interest in terrorism. There is money, big money, to be made – the more terrifying it is presented, the more money.

We can respond to events in Brussels with a quiet and dignified sympathy, with candles and silences. To downplay something is not to ignore it. The terrorists have specific aims, deploying their atrocities for a political cause. There is no sensible defence in a free society against atrocity. But there is a defence against its purpose. It is to avoid hysteria, to show caution and a measure of courage, not Cameron’s lapse into public fear. It is not to alter laws, not to infringe liberties, not to persecute Muslims.

During the more dangerous and consistent IRA bombing campaigns of the 1970s and 1980s, Labour and Conservative governments insisted on treating terrorism as criminal, not political. They relied on the police and security services to guard against a threat that could never be eliminated, only diminished. On the whole it worked, and without undue harm to civil liberties.

Those who live under freedom know it demands a price, which is a degree of risk. We pay the state to protect us – but calmly, without constant boasting or fearmongering. We know that, in reality, life in Britain has never been safer. That it suits some people to pretend otherwise does not alter the fact.

In his admirable manual, Terrorism: How to Respond, the Belfast academic Richard English defines the threat to democracy as not the “limited danger” of death and destruction. It is the danger “of provoking ill-judged, extravagant and counterproductive state responses”.

The menace of Brussels lies not in the terror, but in the reaction to the terror. It is the reaction we should fear. But liberty never emerges from a Cobra bunker.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/24/scariest-brussels-reactoin-paranoid-politicians-isis-atrocity-belgium


Pointless article.

As I mentioned before...why is that the Thais, Chinese, Indians, Filipinos, Indonesians, Somalis, Nigerians, Burmese, Israelis, Buddhists, Jews, Hindus,Russians, etc, have their own issues with Muslim Extremists as well.

How can you make an argument that everyone else is wrong except the Muslim Extremists?

The Left constantly make arguments that it is due to the Western Forces like America that have invaded the Middle East that have led to the sort of resentment that Muslims have for the West...yes that may be true to an extent...but I don't remember the Chinese, Thais, Somalians, etc invading the Middle East to claim oil for their own and destabilising these regions.

It is a society problem. The Taliban in Afghanistan are even blowing up Buddhist statues that have existed for many centuries...so it the Buddhists fault as well?

Look at Japan...they have almost zero Muslim Immigration yet I do not see a single Muslim Terrorist attack over there...
Look at China...they have had issues with Uigher Muslim Extremists yet they are crushing them with brute force and blunt legislation to suppress them so they don't grow.
Look at Thailand they are having issues with Muslim extremists in the South of Thailand (Yala) where bombings are a frequent occurrence despite the Buddhists being a majority.
The Burmese Monks are having their troubles with Muslim separatists..

I don't remember any of the above countries being affiliated with the troubles taking place in the Middle East to warrant the same sort of backlash that say a country like the United States has experienced.

So suppose they took the advice of the author of this article what do you think would happen?


These countries differ from the West because they do not give in to Political Correctness to compromise the safety of their nation and their sovereignty....all for the sake of pandering to the Left.

After the Paris bombings it was alleged the leader of this attack merely went back to his home in Melbeck, Brussels...How could authorities not know of his whereabouts? It was also reported that the Greeks or Turkish authorities warned them of his whereabouts many times to the Belgian Authorities and did nothing.


The Left are so naive to believe that Flowers and Candles will help to mitigate Islamic Terrorism....

and this is a very dangerous statement from the author...
Quote:
The menace of Brussels lies not in the terror, but in the reaction to the terror. It is the reaction we should fear. But liberty never emerges from a Cobra bunker.

..since its basically telling us to cop it in the ass....its an outrageous assertion to make since its giving the extremists a free kick.



Edited by SocaWho: 26/3/2016 02:19:52 PM

Edited by SocaWho: 26/3/2016 02:22:29 PM
GO


Select a Forum....























Inside Sport


Search