The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese


The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese

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BETHFC wrote:
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Crowdfunding set up to buy Pauline hansons old fish and chip shop and turn it into a halal kebab shop

:? :d :d :d :d


People need to find more important things to do with their time. :lol:

Like finding a job :lol:
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rusty wrote:
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You won't eliminate all issues, and you will inevitably create some new problems. But the net effect will be that society will be far better off.


I'm not sure about that. Word is deaths due to drug use in Portugal are at the same higher levels now prior to when they liberalised their drug laws. I don't know enough about the Portugal situation but I suspect there is considerable public expense shifted from law enforcement to treatment and public health. Like I said I think there's some room for reform but I don't think its as simple as legalisation and taxation. We can incorporate elements of deterrence and treatment into our policy.


The issue with Portugal is that they have not legalised drugs, they have only decriminalised usage.

You still have the same problems of drug supplies being of variable quality.

What I am proposing is legalisation of supply and demand, not just decriminalising demand.

But even so, Portugal has undoubtedly had net gains.

In regards to the comment about deaths due to drug use in Portugal, Wikipedia says this:

"Reduction in drug related deaths, although this reduction has decreased in later years. The number of drug related deaths is now almost on the same level as before the Drug strategy was implemented. However, this may be accounted for by improvement in measurement practices, which includes a doubling of toxicological autopsies now being performed, meaning that more drugs related deaths are likely to be recorded".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal

See the article below for some more facts:
- Regular drug usage has decreased.
- Drug induced deaths have decreased according to this article (I realise it runs somewhat counter to what Wikipedia states, but I think it is reasonable to conclude that drug deaths have not worsened).
- Reduced HIV infections due to drug use

https://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening

And according to this article, overdose deaths have hugely reduced:

"Among Portuguese adults, there are 3 drug overdose deaths for every 1,000,000 citizens. Comparable numbers in other countries range from 10.2 per million in the Netherlands to 44.6 per million in the UK, all the way up to 126.8 per million in Estonia. The EU average is 17.3 per million".


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/portugal-decriminalised-drugs-14-years-ago-and-now-hardly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html



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SocaWho wrote:
Crowdfunding set up to buy Pauline hansons old fish and chip shop and turn it into a halal kebab shop

:? :d :d :d :d


Man people are so bad azzz!!! :lol:
What's next, crowdfunding to demolish Turnbull's house and build a Medicare office.

Gottchaaa booooom peeepel PoWeR and shit!!
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


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AzzaMarch wrote:
What I am proposing is legalisation of supply and demand, not just decriminalising demand.


I'm not opposed to what Portugal have done and achieved, if there's empirical evidence of success in other parts of the world which reduce drug dependency, drug related crime etc we should at least consider similar provisions here.

But where in the world has a country legalised supply and demand of hard drugs, and why should we conduct such an experiment on the Australian without proof it will work?


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rusty wrote:
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What I am proposing is legalisation of supply and demand, not just decriminalising demand.


I'm not opposed to what Portugal have done and achieved, if there's empirical evidence of success in other parts of the world which reduce drug dependency, drug related crime etc we should at least consider similar provisions here.

But where in the world has a country legalised supply and demand of hard drugs, and why should we conduct such an experiment on the Australian without proof it will work?



I accept that this is a step further than what is currently in practice, specifically with regards to hard drugs.

But marijuana has been fully legalised in many states in the USA, and results have been consistent so far with what legalisers have suggested.

I would be very happy if we just took the first steps of decriminalisation to start with.

I think you could easily legalise marijuana here, as this drug is largely de-facto or de-jure decriminalised in Australia.

I would then go down the line of bringing in legal injection rooms for heroin addicts, then gradually look at replacing methadone with medical grade heroin - this has been done successfully in the Netherlands.

I agree with you that it is somewhat of an experiment, which is why I don't think we should legalise all drugs overnight. But we need to start heading in that direction.
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rusty wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Crowdfunding set up to buy Pauline hansons old fish and chip shop and turn it into a halal kebab shop

:? :d :d :d :d


Man people are so bad azzz!!! :lol:
What's next, crowdfunding to demolish Turnbull's house and build a Medicare office.

Gottchaaa booooom peeepel PoWeR and shit!!
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


If it does happen it will only look bad for the persuasion of people who were for it....I mean what will happen if became a kebab shop? I doubt people in her electorate would go there and also if it did get run down out of business , they only achieved to take over a functioning business and run it down for political purposes.
It would backfire

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SocaWho wrote:
rusty wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Crowdfunding set up to buy Pauline hansons old fish and chip shop and turn it into a halal kebab shop

:? :d :d :d :d


Man people are so bad azzz!!! :lol:
What's next, crowdfunding to demolish Turnbull's house and build a Medicare office.

Gottchaaa booooom peeepel PoWeR and shit!!
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


If it does happen it will only look bad for the persuasion of people who were for it....I mean what will happen if became a kebab shop? I doubt people in her electorate would go there and also if it did get run down out of business , they only achieved to take over a functioning business and run it down for political purposes.
It would backfire


Do you think SJW's and the feral left actually care once their initial goal is achieved? Morality above reality.
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BETHFC wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
rusty wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Crowdfunding set up to buy Pauline hansons old fish and chip shop and turn it into a halal kebab shop

:? :d :d :d :d


Man people are so bad azzz!!! :lol:
What's next, crowdfunding to demolish Turnbull's house and build a Medicare office.

Gottchaaa booooom peeepel PoWeR and shit!!
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


If it does happen it will only look bad for the persuasion of people who were for it....I mean what will happen if became a kebab shop? I doubt people in her electorate would go there and also if it did get run down out of business , they only achieved to take over a functioning business and run it down for political purposes.
It would backfire


Do you think SJW's and the feral left actually care once their initial goal is achieved? Morality above reality.

I'm talking more about the swinging voters, the extreme left would love nothing better than the destruction of enterprise

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Is the result of neither party winning justifying how our politicians have been living up in the ivory tower?

:lol:
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Hanson says vaccines may cause autism

:lol:

DOWN WITH HALAL!

IMAGRENTS!

CULTURAL MARXISM!
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Draupnir wrote:
Hanson says vaccines may cause autism

:lol:

DOWN WITH HALAL!

IMAGRENTS!

CULTURAL MARXISM!


She wasn't anti-vax her last go round in politics was she? At least she's adding another string to her bow.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:
Draupnir wrote:
Hanson says vaccines may cause autism

:lol:

DOWN WITH HALAL!

IMAGRENTS!

CULTURAL MARXISM!


She wasn't anti-vax her last go round in politics was she? At least she's adding another string to her bow.

Anything for votes:lol:
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Condemned666 wrote:
Is the result of neither party winning justifying how our politicians have been living up in the ivory tower?

:lol:

What does it tell you when Turnbull does a tour of Sydney's West wearing cuff links
:lol:
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I have received numerous questions about why the ABC website is not using the current seat totals on the Australian Electoral Commission's (AEC's) website.

The reason is that the AEC's current seat totals are not totals of seats won, but simply totals of seats where a party is leading. This is not an indication that a party has won these seats.

On the ABC site I prefer to leave these seats as remaining in doubt, not to include them in a total of seats won. The ABC's current seat count is Coalition 68, Labor 67, Others 5 and 10 seats undecided. Five of those seats sit on margins of under 0.5%.

Beyond this issue of dealing with very close seats, there is a second problem. The AEC site is currently excluding six seats that have clearly been won by one of the major parties.

These seats only have first preference tallies. Of these six seats, Labor has clearly won Grayndler, and the Coalition has clearly won Cowper, Higgins, Barker, Durack and O'Connor.

The reason these seats are not included in the AEC's totals is that these seats do not have significant preference counts. The AEC only has first preference totals. On the AEC's website, seats can only be given away if there is a significant two-candidate preferred count. Despite these six seats clearly being capable of being given away on first preferences, five for the Coalition and one for Labor, the lack of two-candidate preferred counts means the AEC won't give them away on its website.

If these six seats are included, and using the AEC's method of totaling all seats where parties lead, then the seat totals are Coalition 72, Labor 72, Greens 1, Nick Xenophon Team 2, Katter's Australian Party 1 and Independents 2.

While the Nick Xenophon team is currently leading on a very tiny preference count in the South Australian seat of Grey, it is not at all clear that the seat can be counted as being won by the Xenophon Team. If they don't win the seat, then the Coalition tally would be 73.

Starting from Tuesday morning, postal, absent and pre-poll absent votes will begin to be included in the count. The postal votes in particular will play a critical part in deciding the remaining doubtful seats.

As the new totals are released, the seat totals on the AEC website will start to change based on leading candidates, and the ABC website will start to give away some of the doubtful seats.

What won't change is the six seat discrepancy between the two sites which is entirely due to the six seats currently excluded from the AEC's totals.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2016/07/whats-going-on-with-house-seat-numbers.html


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Antony Green's stats > AEC website's.

I remember when Penny Wong and Scott Morrison were only paying attention to his software and forgot they were supposed to be on telly. :lol:

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Seems like the Libs are ahead again in Grey (SA) against the NXT candidate.

This seat will be very important for NXT, as they currently have 4 MPs (1 HoR, 3 Senate). if they pick up Grey, and move to 5 reps, that means they achieve "Party" status, and therefore get an allocation of funding for extra staffers and offices.

Also, having 2 HoR MPs will make NXT more important in any negotiations. Interesting seat to keep your eye on...
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-05/coalition-pulls-ahead-of-labor-as-additional-results-counted/7571776

Latest thoughts from Antony Green is that the Libs may get to 76 seats.

He says:

"I think they can get to 76," Mr Green said.

"Seventy-three is a definite, 74 is also likely, 75 is possible, 76 is less possible."

"It's still either a very, very narrow Coalition majority or hung parliament. The Coalition will have more seats than Labor," he said, adding it was less likely the Coalition could get an absolute majority.

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SocaWho wrote:
Condemned666 wrote:
Is the result of neither party winning justifying how our politicians have been living up in the ivory tower?

:lol:

What does it tell you when Turnbull does a tour of Sydney's West wearing cuff links
:lol:


I read that too.

It tells you that people are pathetic and want to drag successful people down instead of aspiring to be successful themselves.

20 years ago Greg Norman said something along the lines of this.

"In America if someone sees a BMW they want to work hard and try and own one one day.

In Australia they run a 20 cent coin down the side."

The bloke is worth $100 million. Only in Australia is being rich and being a good, decent, reasonable human a mutually exclusive thing.
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Toughlove wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Condemned666 wrote:
Is the result of neither party winning justifying how our politicians have been living up in the ivory tower?

:lol:

What does it tell you when Turnbull does a tour of Sydney's West wearing cuff links
:lol:


I read that too.

It tells you that people are pathetic and want to drag successful people down instead of aspiring to be successful themselves.

20 years ago Greg Norman said something along the lines of this.

"In America if someone sees a BMW they want to work hard and try and own one one day.

In Australia they run a 20 cent coin down the side."

The bloke is worth $100 million. Only in Australia is being rich and being a good, decent, reasonable human a mutually exclusive thing.

A lot of Aussies have this funny thing when it comes tall poppy syndrome for people who are rich...yet the same people are ready to sink the boot in and take the piss out of people who are deemed housos or destitute

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AzzaMarch wrote:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-05/coalition-pulls-ahead-of-labor-as-additional-results-counted/7571776

Latest thoughts from Antony Green is that the Libs may get to 76 seats.

He says:

"I think they can get to 76," Mr Green said.

"Seventy-three is a definite, 74 is also likely, 75 is possible, 76 is less possible."

"It's still either a very, very narrow Coalition majority or hung parliament. The Coalition will have more seats than Labor," he said, adding it was less likely the Coalition could get an absolute majority.


Yep, LNP is limping to a government. They may have to wine and dine a micro party or two but they'll get there
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Toughlove wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Condemned666 wrote:
Is the result of neither party winning justifying how our politicians have been living up in the ivory tower?

:lol:

What does it tell you when Turnbull does a tour of Sydney's West wearing cuff links
:lol:


I read that too.

It tells you that people are pathetic and want to drag successful people down instead of aspiring to be successful themselves.

20 years ago Greg Norman said something along the lines of this.

"In America if someone sees a BMW they want to work hard and try and own one one day.

In Australia they run a 20 cent coin down the side."

The bloke is worth $100 million. Only in Australia is being rich and being a good, decent, reasonable human a mutually exclusive thing.


Just inherit more coal, right?
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paladisious wrote:
Toughlove wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Condemned666 wrote:
Is the result of neither party winning justifying how our politicians have been living up in the ivory tower?

:lol:

What does it tell you when Turnbull does a tour of Sydney's West wearing cuff links
:lol:


I read that too.

It tells you that people are pathetic and want to drag successful people down instead of aspiring to be successful themselves.

20 years ago Greg Norman said something along the lines of this.

"In America if someone sees a BMW they want to work hard and try and own one one day.

In Australia they run a 20 cent coin down the side."

The bloke is worth $100 million. Only in Australia is being rich and being a good, decent, reasonable human a mutually exclusive thing.


Just inherit more coal, right?


You're thinking of Reinhardt. But it doesn't matter who it is or whether they're self made or not, Australians love to drag you down for being successful.

Everyone is always saying the government should be run more like a business. All of a sudden there's a businessmen in charge and because he wears a nice suit and a set of cufflinks that's enough for scummers to bag him out.

Whether someone is rich or not doesn't mean they can't understand the electorate or that they're automatically a cock.

Turnbull has had about 4 different careers and has been success in most of them before he even got to politics.

I'm not a liberal voter but it's not because he's rich.
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Toughlove wrote:
paladisious wrote:
Toughlove wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Condemned666 wrote:
Is the result of neither party winning justifying how our politicians have been living up in the ivory tower?

:lol:

What does it tell you when Turnbull does a tour of Sydney's West wearing cuff links
:lol:


I read that too.

It tells you that people are pathetic and want to drag successful people down instead of aspiring to be successful themselves.

20 years ago Greg Norman said something along the lines of this.

"In America if someone sees a BMW they want to work hard and try and own one one day.

In Australia they run a 20 cent coin down the side."

The bloke is worth $100 million. Only in Australia is being rich and being a good, decent, reasonable human a mutually exclusive thing.


Just inherit more coal, right?


You're thinking of Reinhardt. But it doesn't matter who it is or whether they're self made or not, Australians love to drag you down for being successful.

Everyone is always saying the government should be run more like a business. All of a sudden there's a businessmen in charge and because he wears a nice suit and a set of cufflinks that's enough for scummers to bag him out.

Whether someone is rich or not doesn't mean they can't understand the electorate or that they're automatically a cock.

Turnbull has had about 4 different careers and has been success in most of them before he even got to politics.

I'm not a liberal voter but it's not because he's rich.


Plenty of wealthy Australians who aren't cocks who are popular, Dick Smith popping to mind first of all.

What riles Australians up is the "just get a good job that pays good money" out-of-touch attitude.
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paladisious wrote:
Plenty of wealthy Australians who aren't cocks who are popular, Dick Smith popping to mind first of all.


Dick might not be a cock but I heard he can be a bit of a wang sometimes.
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paladisious wrote:
Toughlove wrote:
paladisious wrote:
Toughlove wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Condemned666 wrote:
Is the result of neither party winning justifying how our politicians have been living up in the ivory tower?

:lol:

What does it tell you when Turnbull does a tour of Sydney's West wearing cuff links
:lol:


I read that too.

It tells you that people are pathetic and want to drag successful people down instead of aspiring to be successful themselves.

20 years ago Greg Norman said something along the lines of this.

"In America if someone sees a BMW they want to work hard and try and own one one day.

In Australia they run a 20 cent coin down the side."

The bloke is worth $100 million. Only in Australia is being rich and being a good, decent, reasonable human a mutually exclusive thing.


Just inherit more coal, right?


You're thinking of Reinhardt. But it doesn't matter who it is or whether they're self made or not, Australians love to drag you down for being successful.

Everyone is always saying the government should be run more like a business. All of a sudden there's a businessmen in charge and because he wears a nice suit and a set of cufflinks that's enough for scummers to bag him out.

Whether someone is rich or not doesn't mean they can't understand the electorate or that they're automatically a cock.

Turnbull has had about 4 different careers and has been success in most of them before he even got to politics.

I'm not a liberal voter but it's not because he's rich.


Plenty of wealthy Australians who aren't cocks who are popular, Dick Smith popping to mind first of all.

What riles Australians up is the "just get a good job that pays good money" out-of-touch attitude.
Spot on.
Also I'd rather the politicians with a wealthy background didn't try and pretend they're anything but that. Example, I was watching Michaelia Cash (what a perfect name btw :lol:) on Kitchen Cabinet and she was talking about her pretty privileged upbringing and lifestyle and I didn't mind it at all as that was her. Then I heard she used her backpacking experience as an example of understanding what it was like to be poor and it made me cringe hard.

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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rusty wrote:
paladisious wrote:
Plenty of wealthy Australians who aren't cocks who are popular, Dick Smith popping to mind first of all.


Dick might not be a cock but I heard he can be a bit of a wang sometimes.


Bollocks.
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paladisious wrote:
rusty wrote:
paladisious wrote:
Plenty of wealthy Australians who aren't cocks who are popular, Dick Smith popping to mind first of all.


Dick might not be a cock but I heard he can be a bit of a wang sometimes.


Bollocks.

No one would have the balls to sack dick
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Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:
paladisious wrote:
rusty wrote:
paladisious wrote:
Plenty of wealthy Australians who aren't cocks who are popular, Dick Smith popping to mind first of all.


Dick might not be a cock but I heard he can be a bit of a wang sometimes.


Bollocks.

No one would have the balls to sack dick


It would blow your job prospects for sure
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paladisious wrote:
Toughlove wrote:
paladisious wrote:
Toughlove wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Condemned666 wrote:
Is the result of neither party winning justifying how our politicians have been living up in the ivory tower?

:lol:

What does it tell you when Turnbull does a tour of Sydney's West wearing cuff links
:lol:


I read that too.

It tells you that people are pathetic and want to drag successful people down instead of aspiring to be successful themselves.

20 years ago Greg Norman said something along the lines of this.

"In America if someone sees a BMW they want to work hard and try and own one one day.

In Australia they run a 20 cent coin down the side."

The bloke is worth $100 million. Only in Australia is being rich and being a good, decent, reasonable human a mutually exclusive thing.


Just inherit more coal, right?


You're thinking of Reinhardt. But it doesn't matter who it is or whether they're self made or not, Australians love to drag you down for being successful.

Everyone is always saying the government should be run more like a business. All of a sudden there's a businessmen in charge and because he wears a nice suit and a set of cufflinks that's enough for scummers to bag him out.

Whether someone is rich or not doesn't mean they can't understand the electorate or that they're automatically a cock.

Turnbull has had about 4 different careers and has been success in most of them before he even got to politics.

I'm not a liberal voter but it's not because he's rich.


Plenty of wealthy Australians who aren't cocks who are popular, Dick Smith popping to mind first of all.

What riles Australians up is the "just get a good job that pays good money" out-of-touch attitude.


Not too many are. Dick gets it easy because he's a philanthropist.

Australians are assholes and assume the worst in rich people. Toughlove has it right.
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mcjules wrote:
paladisious wrote:
Toughlove wrote:
paladisious wrote:
Toughlove wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
Condemned666 wrote:
Is the result of neither party winning justifying how our politicians have been living up in the ivory tower?

:lol:

What does it tell you when Turnbull does a tour of Sydney's West wearing cuff links
:lol:


I read that too.

It tells you that people are pathetic and want to drag successful people down instead of aspiring to be successful themselves.

20 years ago Greg Norman said something along the lines of this.

"In America if someone sees a BMW they want to work hard and try and own one one day.

In Australia they run a 20 cent coin down the side."

The bloke is worth $100 million. Only in Australia is being rich and being a good, decent, reasonable human a mutually exclusive thing.


Just inherit more coal, right?


You're thinking of Reinhardt. But it doesn't matter who it is or whether they're self made or not, Australians love to drag you down for being successful.

Everyone is always saying the government should be run more like a business. All of a sudden there's a businessmen in charge and because he wears a nice suit and a set of cufflinks that's enough for scummers to bag him out.

Whether someone is rich or not doesn't mean they can't understand the electorate or that they're automatically a cock.

Turnbull has had about 4 different careers and has been success in most of them before he even got to politics.

I'm not a liberal voter but it's not because he's rich.


Plenty of wealthy Australians who aren't cocks who are popular, Dick Smith popping to mind first of all.

What riles Australians up is the "just get a good job that pays good money" out-of-touch attitude.
Spot on.
Also I'd rather the politicians with a wealthy background didn't try and pretend they're anything but that. Example, I was watching Michaelia Cash (what a perfect name btw :lol:) on Kitchen Cabinet and she was talking about her pretty privileged upbringing and lifestyle and I didn't mind it at all as that was her. Then I heard she used her backpacking experience as an example of understanding what it was like to be poor and it made me cringe hard.


The point is that a punter was prepared to write him off simply because he wore cufflinks. It's retarded logic and says more about the punter than Turnbull.

What's he supposed to do? Wear a wife-beater and thongs?

Do we really want politicians where advisors as saying yes you can wear those shoes because they have just the right amount of scuffing on them but not those because they're too shiny?



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