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Toughlove wrote:
Do we really want politicians where advisors as saying yes you can wear those shoes because they have just the right amount of scuffing on them but not those because they're too shiny?
Would it really surprise you though? We're in a day and age where everyone is offended by everything.
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Toughlove wrote:mcjules wrote:paladisious wrote:Toughlove wrote:paladisious wrote:Toughlove wrote:SocaWho wrote:Condemned666 wrote:Is the result of neither party winning justifying how our politicians have been living up in the ivory tower?
:lol: What does it tell you when Turnbull does a tour of Sydney's West wearing cuff links :lol: I read that too. It tells you that people are pathetic and want to drag successful people down instead of aspiring to be successful themselves. 20 years ago Greg Norman said something along the lines of this. "In America if someone sees a BMW they want to work hard and try and own one one day. In Australia they run a 20 cent coin down the side." The bloke is worth $100 million. Only in Australia is being rich and being a good, decent, reasonable human a mutually exclusive thing. Just inherit more coal, right? You're thinking of Reinhardt. But it doesn't matter who it is or whether they're self made or not, Australians love to drag you down for being successful. Everyone is always saying the government should be run more like a business. All of a sudden there's a businessmen in charge and because he wears a nice suit and a set of cufflinks that's enough for scummers to bag him out. Whether someone is rich or not doesn't mean they can't understand the electorate or that they're automatically a cock. Turnbull has had about 4 different careers and has been success in most of them before he even got to politics. I'm not a liberal voter but it's not because he's rich. Plenty of wealthy Australians who aren't cocks who are popular, Dick Smith popping to mind first of all. What riles Australians up is the "just get a good job that pays good money" out-of-touch attitude. Spot on. Also I'd rather the politicians with a wealthy background didn't try and pretend they're anything but that. Example, I was watching Michaelia Cash (what a perfect name btw :lol:) on Kitchen Cabinet and she was talking about her pretty privileged upbringing and lifestyle and I didn't mind it at all as that was her. Then I heard she used her backpacking experience as an example of understanding what it was like to be poor and it made me cringe hard. The point is that a punter was prepared to write him off simply because he wore cufflinks. It's retarded logic and says more about the punter than Turnbull. What's he supposed to do? Wear a wife-beater and thongs? Do we really want politicians where advisors as saying yes you can wear those shoes because they have just the right amount of scuffing on them but not those because they're too shiny? Edited by toughlove: 6/7/2016 02:04:12 PM This is why I need Wealthenism. Discrimination of wealthy people is not ok - anytime. #Wealthenism
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AzzaMarch
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I do agree that tall poppy syndrome is often bad, and unjustified.
However, having been to the USA, I feel they are too much the other way. There is a cult of wealth there, and an assumption that anyone who is wealthy must have some secret, or are a genius.
If you are going to go too far either way, I prefer the way we are - a healthy scepticism about those with power is far better than adulation.
Edited by AzzaMarch: 6/7/2016 02:37:50 PM
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AzzaMarch wrote:I do agree that tall poppy syndrome is often bad, and unjustified.
However, having been to the USA, I feel they are too much the other way. There is a cult of wealth there, and an assumption that anyone who is wealthy must have some secret, or are a genius.
If you are going to go too far either way, I prefer the way we are - a healthy scepticism about those with power is far better than adulation.
Edited by AzzaMarch: 6/7/2016 02:37:50 PM So let's cut down anyone who has wealth ...just brilliant :roll: Let me remind you the wealthy that pay their share of tax subsidise welfare so less off people can have their living standards raised. Not only that, if people were born into wealth , should we ridicule them as well. Or what about the rags to riches story of someone who started with zero and worked hard to get to where they are. Your notions are laughable Edited by Socawho: 6/7/2016 02:49:56 PMEdited by Socawho: 6/7/2016 02:51:25 PM
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BETHFC
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AzzaMarch wrote:
If you are going to go too far either way, I prefer the way we are - a healthy scepticism about those with power is far better than adulation.
What is a healthy 'scepticism'? Edit: can't read. Edited by bethfc: 6/7/2016 03:02:55 PM
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Toughlove wrote:What's he supposed to do? Wear a wife-beater and thongs?  'Straya.
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BETHFC wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:
If you are going to go too far either way, I prefer the way we are - a healthy scepticism about those with power is far better than adulation.
What is a healthy 'scepticism'? Being sceptical of people because they're wealthy is about as wrong as being sceptical of muslims because they're muslim. I wouldn't call the way we are healthy. The relatively common assumption that rich people have a silver spoon in their mouth or screw people to get where they are is a horrible approach. Might as well tell our kids that if you work your arse off to get ahead, people will find ways to discredit you because they're not as motivated or fortunate. It seems the only way according to Escape scrutiny is be a miserable, poor person who has everything going wrong for them in life...bring aspirational is a crime apparently :roll:
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Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:
This is why I need Wealthenism.
Discrimination of wealthy people is not ok - anytime.
#Wealthenism
Oh so wrong, wealthy people are tax dodging, baby punching Satanists who live and breathe to avoid their civic responsibilities :lol:
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I don't mind people making their wealth through sheer hard work and grit , just as long as they don't rub into other people who are worse off and flaunt it.
But seems some people around here simply have a problem with the amount of dollars someone else has in their bank account out of sheer jealousy .
Jealousy is a poisonous trait to have.
Edited by Socawho: 6/7/2016 02:57:38 PM
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BETHFC wrote:Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:
This is why I need Wealthenism.
Discrimination of wealthy people is not ok - anytime.
#Wealthenism
Oh so wrong, wealthy people are tax dodging, baby punching Satanists who live and breathe to avoid their civic responsibilities :lol: The mo money you have the more evil you become :twisted:
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AzzaMarch wrote:I do agree that tall poppy syndrome is often bad, and unjustified.
However, having been to the USA, I feel they are too much the other way. There is a cult of wealth there, and an assumption that anyone who is wealthy must have some secret, or are a genius.
If you are going to go too far either way, I prefer the way we are - a healthy scepticism about those with power is far better than adulation.
Edited by AzzaMarch: 6/7/2016 02:37:50 PM You are right. The seppos are on another level altogether where if you don't have money, through lack of opportunities, education or sheer bad luck you are entitled to anything. Even something as fundamental as the right to public health care. They are too far the other way. BTW for those that can't read AZ said scepticism about POWER not MONEY.
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SocaWho wrote:I don't mind people making their wealth through sheer hard work and grit , just as long as they don't rub into other people who are worse off and flaunt it.
But seems some people around here simply have a problem with the amount of dollars someone else has in their bank account out of sheer jealousy .
Jealousy is a poisonous trait to have.
Edited by Socawho: 6/7/2016 02:57:38 PM Indeed. But why do we just assume that if you own a Ferrari that you're an egotistical twat? What if the driver works 15 hours a day 7 days a week for 10 years to earn enough to buy one? One the other hand assuming that a poor person is a drug/alcohol addict criminal seems to be completely off limits. Double standards.
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SocaWho wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:I do agree that tall poppy syndrome is often bad, and unjustified.
However, having been to the USA, I feel they are too much the other way. There is a cult of wealth there, and an assumption that anyone who is wealthy must have some secret, or are a genius.
If you are going to go too far either way, I prefer the way we are - a healthy scepticism about those with power is far better than adulation.
Edited by AzzaMarch: 6/7/2016 02:37:50 PM So let's cut down anyone who has wealth ...just brilliant :roll: Let me remind you the wealthy that pay their share of tax subsidise welfare so less off people can have their living standards raised. Not only that, if people were born into wealth , should we ridicule them as well. Or what about the rags to riches story of someone who started with zero and worked hard to get to where they are. Your notions are laughable Edited by Socawho: 6/7/2016 02:49:56 PMEdited by Socawho: 6/7/2016 02:51:25 PM Did you actually read what I wrote? I said " If you are going to go too far either way, I prefer the way we are". I also wrote "I do agree that tall poppy syndrome is often bad, and unjustified".
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SocaWho wrote:I don't mind people making their wealth through sheer hard work and grit , just as long as they don't rub into other people who are worse off and flaunt it.
But seems some people around here simply have a problem with the amount of dollars someone else has in their bank account out of sheer jealousy .
Jealousy is a poisonous trait to have.
And yet you were the one that was laughing at him for wearing cufflinks. This whole discussion is because you thought it was piss poor for Turnbull to be wearing cufflinks. SocaWho wrote:
What does it tell you when Turnbull does a tour of Sydney's West wearing cuff links
:lol:
You're no better than them.
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AzzaMarch wrote:
Did you actually read what I wrote?
No he doesn't. Edited by toughlove: 6/7/2016 03:06:12 PM
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I was told at university when giving a presentation you should dress only one step up from the audience. This was more to ensure that you retained a link to your audience. It's about being relatable to your audience.
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BETHFC wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:
If you are going to go too far either way, I prefer the way we are - a healthy scepticism about those with power is far better than adulation.
What is a healthy 'scepticism'? Edited by bethfc: 6/7/2016 03:02:55 PM Tall poppy syndrome is bad - I just prefer that extreme to the other. Healthy scepticism to me is just not making any assumptions as to the intelligence, luck, or otherwise of someone with money. In the USA, from my limited experience, they have this kind of adulation for anyone who has "made it", regardless of how they got there. And I think it does get a little overstated how much Australians engage in Tall Poppy Syndrome. Its far worse in Europe. As usual, Australia tends to be in the middle ground between the USA and the EU....
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sokorny wrote:I was told at university when giving a presentation you should dress only one step up from the audience. This was more to ensure that you retained a link to your audience. It's about being relatable to your audience. One of the greatest things about Australia is that there are very few airs and graces. You can have a beer in a Gold Coast surf club and be standing next to a multi millionaire in thongs and a T-shirt and you'd never know it. That being said though the Australian disdain for wealthy people is a bit poor. Mind you the disdain some hold refugees, immigrants, single mothers, young people etc etc is also poor.
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Back onto politics, this is interesting.... Potential split on the right-wing side of politics? The South Australian Liberal senator Cory Bernardi has sent an appeal to conservatives via his blog. It is more of the same analysis that we have seen over the past few days plus an appeal to his followers. He wants a cross-party movement – presumably to build a base for a new party if he so desires. Will he resign and launch into the minor party constellation? I will let you be the judge. We shall also put in a call to him. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2016/jul/06/australian-election-2016-nationals-dub-malcolm-turnbull-aloof-politics-live"It’s a disaster.”
They’re the words many conservatives use to begin their election analysis. And they’re right, when you consider the national interest and the possible implication of a hung parliament and an even more fragmented Senate.
Even though the results are not yet finalised, it looks unlikely that either party will be able to form government in their own right. In effect, we are right back where we were in 2010, with the party roles reversed. We shouldn’t really be surprised when the same chain of events took place during a popularly elected first-term government.
In my youth I was told that the definition of madness was doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. That axiom has borne out once again.
However, the votes have been cast and there isn’t much we can do about it now except learn from the experience. The Australian people have spoken and basically said that neither side of politics is doing a good enough job to secure their trust. Accordingly they have parked their vote with minor parties and independents.
As of writing, over 1.7 million votes were cast for right-of-centre or conservative parties rather than the Liberal party. From my perspective, that was the Liberal base expressing their unhappiness with past events.
Irrespective of the final election result, the clear mission now is to bring people together for the good of the country. That is going to take the formalisation of a broad conservative movement to help change politics and to give common sense a united voice.
With that in mind, I’d ask all of you to read and consider my address to the National Press Club about this subject in 2014. You can do so at my website by clicking here. I hope you will agree that the words and sentiments are even more relevant today.
It’s more important than ever that we unite Australian Conservatives, who share many views, regardless of their party affiliation. If you believe in limited government, traditional values, defending our culture and heritage, lower taxes, a stronger nation, a stronger economy and plain old common sense, then you have a lot in common with millions of others.
Now is the time to gather together. You can help kick start the movement by going towww.conservatives.org.au and registering your interest.
It’s the next step in making sure our voice is never taken for granted again.
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AzzaMarch wrote:BETHFC wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:
If you are going to go too far either way, I prefer the way we are - a healthy scepticism about those with power is far better than adulation.
What is a healthy 'scepticism'? Edited by bethfc: 6/7/2016 03:02:55 PM Tall poppy syndrome is bad - I just prefer that extreme to the other. Healthy scepticism to me is just not making any assumptions as to the intelligence, luck, or otherwise of someone with money. In the USA, from my limited experience, they have this kind of adulation for anyone who has "made it", regardless of how they got there. And I think it does get a little overstated how much Australians engage in Tall Poppy Syndrome. Its far worse in Europe. As usual, Australia tends to be in the middle ground between the USA and the EU.... I have noticed that in the USA. I can't speak for Europe. As for Australia, working on many construction sites, the tradesmen automatically assume I drive something like a BMW and own 3 houses because of my qualification. There's a clear belief that I live in some bloody ivory tower and wouldn't know what hard work is. Little do they know I spend at least 1 day a week up to my knees in mud dragging equipment around swamps to be able to pay off my mortgage. Perceptions are dangerous when founded in stereotypes/assumptions.
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It's a funny thing though because Paul Keating loved French clocks, Rachmaninov, wore Zegna suits and probably never went to a footy match his entire life but somehow got away with it.
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AzzaMarch wrote:Back onto politics, this is interesting.... Potential split on the right-wing side of politics?
The South Australian Liberal senator Cory Bernardi has sent an appeal to conservatives via his blog. It is more of the same analysis that we have seen over the past few days plus an appeal to his followers. He wants a cross-party movement – presumably to build a base for a new party if he so desires. Will he resign and launch into the minor party constellation? I will let you be the judge. We shall also put in a call to him.
As soon as I see his name I want to cringe. How can the Liberal party associate themselves with such a despicable human? Is South Australia filled with homophobes or something? The worst thing for the Liberals at the moment is what on the surface appears to be a shift away from conservative views.
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Toughlove wrote:SocaWho wrote:I don't mind people making their wealth through sheer hard work and grit , just as long as they don't rub into other people who are worse off and flaunt it.
But seems some people around here simply have a problem with the amount of dollars someone else has in their bank account out of sheer jealousy .
Jealousy is a poisonous trait to have.
And yet you were the one that was laughing at him for wearing cufflinks. This whole discussion is because you thought it was piss poor for Turnbull to be wearing cufflinks. SocaWho wrote:
What does it tell you when Turnbull does a tour of Sydney's West wearing cuff links
:lol:
You're no better than them. My point was that he couldn't relate to the electorate and should have known better ...his choice of attire was not going to go down well with the Western Sydney electorate . But that doesn't mean I take the side with those who have bad case of tall poppy. You're too thick to see that
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SocaWho wrote:Toughlove wrote:SocaWho wrote:I don't mind people making their wealth through sheer hard work and grit , just as long as they don't rub into other people who are worse off and flaunt it.
But seems some people around here simply have a problem with the amount of dollars someone else has in their bank account out of sheer jealousy .
Jealousy is a poisonous trait to have.
And yet you were the one that was laughing at him for wearing cufflinks. This whole discussion is because you thought it was piss poor for Turnbull to be wearing cufflinks. SocaWho wrote:
What does it tell you when Turnbull does a tour of Sydney's West wearing cuff links
:lol:
You're no better than them. My point was that he couldn't relate to the electorate and should have known better ...his choice of attire was not going to go down well with the Western Sydney electorate . But that doesn't mean I take the side with those who have bad case of tall poppy. You're too thick to see that Do people really notice shit like that though? Is it news worthy?
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BETHFC wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:Back onto politics, this is interesting.... Potential split on the right-wing side of politics?
The South Australian Liberal senator Cory Bernardi has sent an appeal to conservatives via his blog. It is more of the same analysis that we have seen over the past few days plus an appeal to his followers. He wants a cross-party movement – presumably to build a base for a new party if he so desires. Will he resign and launch into the minor party constellation? I will let you be the judge. We shall also put in a call to him.
As soon as I see his name I want to cringe. How can the Liberal party associate themselves with such a despicable human? Is South Australia filled with homophobes or something? The worst thing for the Liberals at the moment is what on the surface appears to be a shift away from conservative views. I hope he successfully breaks away. He won't be competing for LNP votes, he will be competing for One Nation and CDP votes.
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notorganic wrote:BETHFC wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:Back onto politics, this is interesting.... Potential split on the right-wing side of politics?
The South Australian Liberal senator Cory Bernardi has sent an appeal to conservatives via his blog. It is more of the same analysis that we have seen over the past few days plus an appeal to his followers. He wants a cross-party movement – presumably to build a base for a new party if he so desires. Will he resign and launch into the minor party constellation? I will let you be the judge. We shall also put in a call to him.
As soon as I see his name I want to cringe. How can the Liberal party associate themselves with such a despicable human? Is South Australia filled with homophobes or something? The worst thing for the Liberals at the moment is what on the surface appears to be a shift away from conservative views. I hope he successfully breaks away. He won't be competing for LNP votes, he will be competing for One Nation and CDP votes. His beliefs are toxic to anyone. It's better for everyone if he crawls back under the rock he's been stuck under his entire life.
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SocaWho wrote:Toughlove wrote:SocaWho wrote:I don't mind people making their wealth through sheer hard work and grit , just as long as they don't rub into other people who are worse off and flaunt it.
But seems some people around here simply have a problem with the amount of dollars someone else has in their bank account out of sheer jealousy .
Jealousy is a poisonous trait to have.
And yet you were the one that was laughing at him for wearing cufflinks. This whole discussion is because you thought it was piss poor for Turnbull to be wearing cufflinks. SocaWho wrote:
What does it tell you when Turnbull does a tour of Sydney's West wearing cuff links
:lol:
You're no better than them. My point was that he couldn't relate to the electorate and should have known better ...his choice of attire was not going to go down well with the Western Sydney electorate . But that doesn't mean I take the side with those who have bad case of tall poppy. You're too thick to see that Guarantee you if he rocked up in a Bonds polo and a pair of chinos they'd be all over that too because he's 'bunging it on'.
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I haven't noticed any chatter about Tim Wilson winning his seat.
I'm almost 100% sure that he will be Australias first gay PM at some point in the next few cycles.
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BETHFC wrote:notorganic wrote:BETHFC wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:Back onto politics, this is interesting.... Potential split on the right-wing side of politics?
The South Australian Liberal senator Cory Bernardi has sent an appeal to conservatives via his blog. It is more of the same analysis that we have seen over the past few days plus an appeal to his followers. He wants a cross-party movement – presumably to build a base for a new party if he so desires. Will he resign and launch into the minor party constellation? I will let you be the judge. We shall also put in a call to him.
As soon as I see his name I want to cringe. How can the Liberal party associate themselves with such a despicable human? Is South Australia filled with homophobes or something? The worst thing for the Liberals at the moment is what on the surface appears to be a shift away from conservative views. I hope he successfully breaks away. He won't be competing for LNP votes, he will be competing for One Nation and CDP votes. His beliefs are toxic to anyone. It's better for everyone if he crawls back under the rock he's been stuck under his entire life. Actually it's a good thing if he breaks away. What's that saying about bad ideas and shining a light on them. Will simply draw all the fundamentalists, crackpots, climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers, 911 'troofers', creationists, homeopaths and Bowen therapists together and then you will really know where they stand instead of hiding behind the party line. I hope he does it.
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Toughlove wrote:BETHFC wrote:notorganic wrote:BETHFC wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:Back onto politics, this is interesting.... Potential split on the right-wing side of politics?
The South Australian Liberal senator Cory Bernardi has sent an appeal to conservatives via his blog. It is more of the same analysis that we have seen over the past few days plus an appeal to his followers. He wants a cross-party movement – presumably to build a base for a new party if he so desires. Will he resign and launch into the minor party constellation? I will let you be the judge. We shall also put in a call to him.
As soon as I see his name I want to cringe. How can the Liberal party associate themselves with such a despicable human? Is South Australia filled with homophobes or something? The worst thing for the Liberals at the moment is what on the surface appears to be a shift away from conservative views. I hope he successfully breaks away. He won't be competing for LNP votes, he will be competing for One Nation and CDP votes. His beliefs are toxic to anyone. It's better for everyone if he crawls back under the rock he's been stuck under his entire life. Actually it's a good thing if he breaks away. What's that saying about bad ideas and shining a light on them. Will simply draw all the fundamentalists, crackpots, climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers, 911 'troofers', creationists, homeopaths and Bowen therapists together and then you will really know where they stand instead of hiding behind the party line. I hope he does it. Fair call. I'm surprised the LNP put up with this sort of nonsense from him though. He is outspoken on controversial topics and hides because his parasite god when people criticise him. I laughed when his office got trashed for linking homosexuality to beastiality, however all that incident did was make him the victim.
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