We need the ABCC, the level of corruption and union diddling in our industry is beyond belief.....

I've read articles mentioning it but here's the kicker, the reality is the coalition also had one of their lowest primary votes ever. This is going to be the new norm as people understand how the system works (maybe you don't? ;) ).

Typical spend spend spend from the Liberal party. Get off the government's teat and fend for yourself you bludger :lol:

:lol:

1 week later and no declared winner. Looks like liberals will just hit 76 or even 77 seats.
Still, the senate is fucked for Malcolm now. Even worse than before. Surely there will be a liberal spill by years end/ early 2017 ....

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Shorten concedes defeat


Edited by condemned666: 10/7/2016 04:47:50 PM

Your mob lost ...so lick it

But knowing you, you will try to find a way to make it sound like Labor won

Edited by Socawho: 10/7/2016 04:54:15 PM

Edited by Socawho: 10/7/2016 05:17:03 PM

Well they have.

They're going g to cockblock the hell of the Senate.

-PB

Nothing's new...the senate has been like that for the last 10 years

I don't have a mob. :lol:

I'm satisfied with the make up of the new parliament. The house of reps are going to have to work, no calling in sick or being out of the country because things won't pass (thanks to Abbott screwing the convention last time it was this close). Then they have a very challenging senate to get anything through.

Either it forces them to work on good policies, not ones that look after their mates and the kooky right or they're going to be turfed. Happy with either outcome.

When do you ever cease to speak in riddles :lol:

When will you ever post something sensible? :lol:

NO...here is the kicker.....Labors second worst performance EVEN though they got a huge lift from the lies and deceit they sprayed around like cat piss........and the backlash in NSW against the westconnex project and council amalgamations....

for about 30 minutes after he takes his medication....

Deadset difficult trying to get a straight answer from this bloke.....considering we are on anonymous forum ...
I notice he uses a straw man approach to validate his argument by always mentioning article links in order to avert criticism by saying it's not his POV, but simply the author. The problem is they all seem to come from the same political persuasion and he tries to give the impression that he is somewhat neutral by saying it's not his POV but the author,:lol:
Then he bangs on about intellectuals being the know all and end all .


Next time I'll ask him what 1 + 1 = ? And I'd bet I still wouldn't get a straight answer:lol:

Edited by Socawho: 11/7/2016 08:10:17 AM

The fact that you two are having a go at me is proof that I'm right. Thanks guys :lol:

It's a meaningless talking point that LNP supporters use to make themselves feel better, if it helps you sleep at night all power to you.

deflection much.....:-" :-"

Deflection from what? Progressive voters are spreading their vote around and I welcome it. First preference votes are important to get you up in the two party preferred but Labor are under threat in only a handful of seats atm. There's a few Liberal seats that are going to be under threat too soon if trends follow.

If you don't understand the voting system, I suggest reading up about it. I can't help you anymore batty :lol:

The only reason that the coalition primary vote is higher than the ALP is because they combine the primary votes of the Libs and the Nats.

If you compare the votes of the centre-right and right (Lib/Nats) with the centre left and left (ALP/Greens) the difference disappears. This makes sense, especially in the context that greens preferences go 80-85% to the ALP.

So whilst it is definitely true that the ALP's primary vote is at its 2nd lowest level, this is because of a generalised reduction in voting for the traditional "big 2".

If you actually break down party primary votes, it is as follows:

ALP - 35.1%
Greens - 9.8%
Left of centre total - 44.9%

Liberal Party - 28.5%
LibNat Party - 8.4%
Nationals - 4.9%
Country Lib - 0.3%
Coalition total - 42.1%

Liberal Party total vote - 37.2%

The above doesn't include the votes for Katter etc. You can see the source info here:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2016/results/

My point is that whilst the ALP vote is 2nd lowest historically, the total Liberal Party vote (Lib Party, Lib Nat Party, Country Lib party) is only 37.2%. Only 2.1% more.

FYI - Lib Nat Party is in QLD, as the Liberal and National Parties have formally merged in QLD, but not other states.

"progressive"? I farking hate that term.

Why is that? Is it because of the way it has been used by the SJW set?

It is a relevant term in my opinion - mainstream left parties are capitalist now.

So "left vs right" does not make that much sense anymore, in terms of economics.

The divide now is really a cultural/social one. And it does really run generally along "conservative vs progressive".

I dunno, its just a label at the end of the day.

Stop being so ambiguous Azza :lol:

Azza - I was led to believe ALP are centre-right, as is LNP, and LNP is just a bit more right than ALP?

If youre a communist perhaps

Not sure if you are trying to make a point, or asking an actual question...

But it does lead to something I often say, which is that the main differences between the Libs and the ALP are rhetoric and branding, not substance.

Economically, they are pretty similar, just differ by degree.

Socially they are probably more different - marriage equality is the type of issue that separates them nowadays.

However, once that passes, there really won't be that much difference.

Climate Change policy is the other main difference.

The Labor right and Liberal wets are pretty similar these days economically so that's where the "both right wing" idea comes from. There are a few in the Labor right that are more socially conservative than the Liberal wets. However, the progressive (just for scotty :lol:) Labor left have no equal in the Liberal party and the same goes for conservative Liberal dries.

Summary, in the centre of their parties economically there are policy differences but ideologically they're not much different. On the "extremes" though they're chalk and cheese.

Yep was a question. Cheers fellas.

Rusty - I barely frequent this thread but 9/10 times you just don't make sense pal.

A Cultural / Social one? ...like if I set up a fake twitter account and get offended by everything under the sun, that automatically qualifies me as a SJW.

Um, not understanding what you said.

My point was that the traditional class divide between ALP/Lib has not really been relevant for a long time.

The traditional left/right divide is an economic one.

But since left of centre parties have mostly embraced capitalism (selling govt assets, deregulation of markets etc), the difference in economics is no longer really there. Nowadays it is a difference of degree, not fundamental outlook.

Where the main difference is now, really is culturally/socially, or at least non-economic questions, like the environment.