"progressive"? I farking hate that term.

Azza - I was led to believe ALP are centre-right, as is LNP, and LNP is just a bit more right than ALP?

A Cultural / Social one? ...like if I set up a fake twitter account and get offended by everything under the sun, that automatically qualifies me as a SJW.

I do too! It is an inaccurate term as there is nothing progressive with the Socialist Agenda.

Socialism has been a failed experiment all over the world. It has been tossed and dispensed with because it led to mass unemployment, poverty and failed states. Not only this, part of their agenda is to limit and restrict free press and media or at least control it.

I prefer to use the term "regressives" because the poor sods are still living in the past!

You would also be a typical Labor/Green voter and self proclaimed SJW trying to support the anachronistic Socialist Agenda.

You probably weep on the anniversary of the Berlin Wall and Soviet Union collapse.

To be fair, there are some good elements of Socialist values. Its just when there is an outright implementation of everything that is Socialist that is the problem. The Progressives are just rebranding what Socialism is, into their own form so they are more mainstream. A bit like some of the Far Right Parties that claim that they are only Anti - Islam...but they if they succeed on that issue then they start impinging on other issues as well to achieve a total Nationalistic outcome.
But you're right though...you only have to look at Cuba and Venezuela to see what a pure Socialist state is. I have a relative that went to Cuba recently and he told me that Doctors earn the same wage as Cleaners. Thereby lies the problem.
Its matter of taking good stuff from the Right / Left, but its not easy to do when all that matters is how one gets to power.

Edited by socawho: 11/7/2016 12:16:13 PM

Its funny that some SJW find the time to tweet all day and find something to get offended over...Im quite certain they wouldn't find the time if they were either working or if the taxpayer wasn't putting food on their table.

Spot on!

We call them the Twitterati - labor/green voters who go to bed at 3am and wake up at 1200pm.

Edited by Aikhme: 11/7/2016 12:26:19 PM

I just noticed mcjules has become moderator...I guess its only a matter of time me and Finky are gonna get banned simply because we aren't Progressives :-"

Deflection from what? Progressive voters are spreading their vote around and I welcome it. First preference votes are important to get you up in the two party preferred but Labor are under threat in only a handful of seats atm. There's a few Liberal seats that are going to be under threat too soon if trends follow.

If you don't understand the voting system, I suggest reading up about it. I can't help you anymore batty :lol:

stop being condescending.......i know the system....... Deflection regarding major party primary vote......no one can argue that the lies and smear that Labor ran did not have an impact on voter mindset.......imagine what Labors primary vote would have been if he didn't lie and deceive........especially in NSW the campaign of lies and deceit was relentless......ringing pensioners the night before the election telling them they will lose medicare and their pension......[-x [-x [-x [-x

I find it mildly ironic that LNP supporters are complaining about scare campaigns :lol:

-PB

this . So. much

I find it mildly ironic that LNP supporters are complaining about scare campaigns :lol:

-PB

Pretty lame attempt :lol:

Anyway thanks guys, the pantomime has brightened my morning.

Those damn lefties tweeting thier tweets - get a job/ Not like us sane people who argue with the same 4 people on a football forum at all hours of the day and night.....

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Man I fkn love this thread sometimes.

Isn't that how it works? Ban all :lol: those with non conforming non progressive ideals?

Exactly!

The next thing they will complain about is when the ALP refuses to "pair" on votes when a Lib MP can't attend, when it was Abbott that broke the convention of pairing.

This is what happens when you plumb the depths - turnabout is fair play unfortunately.

Another toxic legacy of Tony Abbott.

He probably has our IP addresses too...so I'd watch out for him :lol:

The only reason that the coalition primary vote is higher than the ALP is because they combine the primary votes of the Libs and the Nats.

If you compare the votes of the centre-right and right (Lib/Nats) with the centre left and left (ALP/Greens) the difference disappears. This makes sense, especially in the context that greens preferences go 80-85% to the ALP.

So whilst it is definitely true that the ALP's primary vote is at its 2nd lowest level, this is because of a generalised reduction in voting for the traditional "big 2".

If you actually break down party primary votes, it is as follows:

ALP - 35.1%
Greens - 9.8%
Left of centre total - 44.9%

Liberal Party - 28.5%
LibNat Party - 8.4%
Nationals - 4.9%
Country Lib - 0.3%
Coalition total - 42.1%

Liberal Party total vote - 37.2%

The above doesn't include the votes for Katter etc. You can see the source info here:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2016/results/

My point is that whilst the ALP vote is 2nd lowest historically, the total Liberal Party vote (Lib Party, Lib Nat Party, Country Lib party) is only 37.2%. Only 2.1% more.

FYI - Lib Nat Party is in QLD, as the Liberal and National Parties have formally merged in QLD, but not other states.

It's a meaningless talking point that LNP supporters use to make themselves feel better, if it helps you sleep at night all power to you.

You do realise that 30% of first preference votes for The Greens flow to the Liberal Party and an even higher amount from the ALP flow through to the Liberals?

The ALP and the Greens have very different ideas about how to run the country and it seems meaningless to count them together as one voting block.

What I am saying is that I find it amusing that you count the votes of two completely separate political party's together as one and you separate the vote of a genuine coalition of party's which actually work together and have uniform policies.

Edited by vanlassen: 11/7/2016 04:03:29 PM

Oh Jules, please do not resort to posts like this [-o<

Isn't that how it works? Ban all :lol: those with non conforming non progressive ideals?

I find it mildly ironic that LNP supporters are complaining about scare campaigns :lol:

-PB

30%?? More like 15-20%.

My point was actually to break down the data by individual party. I presented all parties individually, but also as blocks just to illustrate "left of centre" vs "right of centre".

I am well aware they are different parties, with different policies.

Then why not count Katter, OneNation and the other independents?