Sure, but insane people kept saying over and over again that he did.

I like reading all your comments, but the Boss is on his way. Josep will sort out .

Six players you mention from U/17 or U/19 ?

Are you that convinced he will make a difference? Its an exciting appointment but i guess we'll find out soon whether we get better results.

I will be honest I was just going off twitter but this guy implied 17s.

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Yes his experience with Youth but we shall see, we are hoping he will improve these young teams, and stop the Political influence

the best youth coach apart from jans we have had was alistair edwards and he was an average a league coach so you would imagine gombau would boost the quality of our youth teams somewhat

So I heard we only really have 24 players going through the full national team curriculum full time. That would explain the lack of depth

Serious question

Is there an argument to suggest that the technical quality of our youth football is not as good as it was in the days of the NSL?

In the context of global football having alter since then and removing all pro-NSL agenda and hagiographic FFA agenda.

It would be hard to quantify, but fair to say it's certainly not any better.

Or is it possible that other, supposedly lesser football countries has taken much greater leaps forward in their youth football, so where we used to be ahead, we are now level or behind...

the nsl had a golden generation arise from it (though some players came through european academies)
but there wasn't a huge amount before or after that. Ned Zelic and lazaridis come to mind
who else?
The nsl went for 32 years I would back the a league to do better over a 32 year period the way it is going

Jury's still out for me.

They have improved no doubt but we havent or havent done enough to improve on what we have.

For example with the individual technical ability, wasn't the problem with these group most have decent touch about but i feel the main concerns was their lack of intelligence and ability to execute their plays more quickly under higher pressure, the decision making to run that better run or pass and then execute it wasn't there at all.

And also the non-ability to solve football problems around them to me was a concern, their lack of understanding to see what wasn't working was worrying their kept on trying the same and they never realised it wasn't working.

No doubt it poses some serious questions is to what kind of coaching they have been receiving not just in canberra but also before with their a-league or NPL clubs because i don't think much has changed to me apart from a small technical improvement.

Which goes back to what Han Berger and the FFA have implemented with the NC and has it been working like it should be?

Edited by Barca4life: 13/7/2016 10:49:46 PM

the thing is that last aff team was good enough individually to make up for the coaching and tactics to a large degree

Which probably questions what kind of coaching that they have been receiving? it appears they have gone backwards since the time we saw them last year.

I've just seen the footage of the first 24 minutes of the game against Vietnam.

I think I saw New Signing post that he was concerned about the lack of goalscoring opportunities created from a significant amount of possession that we had. I concur with that.

These footballers are in the early stages of their development though. A few things have changed since the appointment of Abrams to the FFA system.

* After selecting players almost exclusively in rep programs due to their technique being paramount over all other qualities, now athleticism will be given equal weighting. In the Vietnam game there appears to be little athletic advantage of Australian players over Vietnam.

* In the past eras, although it is acknowledged the development of Australian youth players never amounted to the required quality of senior players, the old system, where the players played in NSL youth comps and had more contact with senior players at club level, in training, and within club milieus in general, it created players who were very well conditioned for competitive youth football.

* Because of the recognition of the club being paramount in importance, the FFA Technical Departments now have to go out to NPL clubs to work alongside NPL club TDs to create improved programs.


However, a big issue is the lack of professional clubs. We only have 9. Youth coaching is often done by volunteers, not paid pros.

On the one hand the FFA Technical Department is doing one thing, and the administrative section of FFA, with exhaustive criteria for the creation of professional clubs, creates few pro pathways for young players.

It seems as though FFA deems that most development will take place in NPL clubs. It seems that more of them need to be made professional clubs for this system to work.



Edited by Decentric: 14/7/2016 09:17:52 AM

There are a number of Advanced FFA coaches who I've seen post in this thread.

It would be interesting to know, how much your technical coaching has changed, with the advent of the new FFA coach education system?

I've noted tactical and structural changes with some senior NPL coaches, but little has changed in the practices of some old coachers recalcitrant to change, particularly in relation to technique . This is often at senior level.

FFA was reluctant for a while to create more readily available technical coaching exercises for coaches. To an extent it has now been redressed, but I had to rely on some stuff that was put up by another poster in Performance on Arsenal, Chelsea, Ajax and PSV academies. It was very good and filled in gaps I had. I passed a lot of it onto other coaches.

Hasn't Gombau had a lot more experience coaching youth?

I think I've read somewhere he had quite a bit of time at Barca Academy.

If he has, he is far more experienced in this role than anybody else in Australia.

If you send the B team the performance and results will of course be affected. Also if the best players no longer see the CEO as the best development path for them then it has lost its relevance and should be closed.

Ok so the pieces of information we have gotten are

1. a lot of players are missing from this tournament
2. COE players get preference but a lot of talented players avoid COE now that A league have started their academies so you already have a weakened talent pool at the COE (but the overall talent pool should be stronger)
3. the new TD has increased athleticism as a selection criteria for older youth
4. There will be more interaction with npl clubs to develop players in the sense that npl clubs might be able to adjust their curriculum somewhat

It sounds like the new TD has brought a slight change in ideology compromising on athleticism and a homogeneity
it also sounds like this was a C team. If it is thats no disaster because they look about as good (except for a couple of individuals who looked better) than the team that lost 5-1 to vietnam 4ish years ago and that group is turning out no better or worse than what we have produced over a period of a decade. At the moment though we don't have evidence that there is a group out there somewhere in australia as strong as last years aff group but assuming there is lets ask the following questions

1. why is the technical gap between the a and b team so large? (assuming an a team is out there as good as last years aff team)
2. are these compromises a good thing?
3. How difficult are they to implement considering the divisions between old soccer and new football?
4. At this tournament and the youth world cup (and actually at the last aff) the opposition team consistently created overloads with and without the ball. Most of the game is played 1 or 2 aussies v 2,3,4 or 5 opposition players. Is this poor coaching? Or do we not care about tactics at this age and just watch for their individual technique?
5. Why isn't finishing improving with the exception of last years aff?

if we are only producing a dozen or so players of the quality of last years aff this is a problem because for every player that is technically good enough

half of those will learn good enough positional sense
half of them will be mentally tough enough
half of them will grow a big enough engine
half of them will grow enough street smarts and knowledge of the game
half of them will learn to defend well enough
So that means 1 in 32 technically superior players end up world class. A country would have to produce 600 technically superior players to form a strong enough world cup squad

When is next game?

Tonight I believe. Against Philippines.

9:30pm kick off i believe

Alright let's do this

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Honestly i just feel pessimistic and apathetic. Its becoming a chore. Do I have to watch this shite. Why put up a team that they know isn't competitive. Its an insult.

And i didnt put question marks because we know the answers.

1-0

so how many do we have to score to get through the group stage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_AFF_U-16_Youth_Championship

We're in a group of 6, so we have 2 more games after this left. Vietnam have been thrashing everyone.

australia have significantly sped up their play. Its pretty helter skelter actually
performance about the same level as last time against significantly weaker opposition

Could be up 3-0 by now if not for overhit passes.