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mcjules wrote:I agree but if they don't have dual citizenship getting another country to accept them would be exceedingly difficult. Then put them on Nauru
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Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:I don't think we should stop with muslims.
Can you believe there are people in this country taking advantage of our advanced economy by taking jobs and wealth from proud Australians? Buying up investment properties, negative gearing to the hilt to reduce their tax to provides and then plan to run off back to their "home country" when they retire even though they were born here? Some of them even believe in dictatorships!
Edited by mcjules: 15/7/2016 12:55:32 PM Thanks for the strawman arguments. It's clear you are neck deep in illogical irrational thinkinking. I love that everything is strawman on 442 No room for a bit of satire here. I guess people keep forgetting this is where real solutions will be achieved. There is no time for Satire on this serious topic where innocent people get killed by terrorists. Families and children were killed. What we need to do is avoid this from happening in Australia. On our current trajectory, a terrorist attack is a 100% certainty. It could be your family or mine who are killed whilst going to the Christmas Pageant or something. It could be at an ANZAC Parade.
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mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:OK a more serious question, almost all the recent terrorist attacks in Europe have been by second generation migrants. Kids that have grown up in these countries, gone to school etc. Sometimes their families are even well respected members of their communities. By stopping immigration now, what are we containing? For 20 years time? The world changes a lot faster than that. Do you prefer for things to keep going the way it is... Pretty easy when you live in an area where you are quite safe from where these things are happening. Took you long enough. ;) The answer is no, I don't want things to keep going the way they are. I think "ban all muslim immigration" is being far too simplistic. It might be part of the solution, but no one can put that convincing an argument together as to why. It is a solution. Basically, bias our immigration towards Nations of similar culture and values. Then we won't be as vulnerable to these types of attacks.
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tsf wrote:My parents came from overseas, had no money, left after war etc etc
Theirs and 100s thousands that come here reaction was the same - times were tough and they worked hard and became a success.
Apparently now if you don't hand these fuckheads everything than it's their natural reaction to massacre as many people as possible because 'they feel excluded from society'.
Enough is enough, time for drastic action. Those who have lived near Islam understand the menace at play. Bosnia, Albania to name a few.
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mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:There's no point..Nothing will convince you. If you still need convincing based on the accumulation of the terror attacks in Europe then it just seems to me that you don't really factor in the safety of human life into your reasoning ... In fact I think your mind is already made up...that 100 percent immigration and open borders is the only answer None of those statements are correct... Prove me wrong ...you say you need convincing yet disengage when any mention of filtering immigration is proposed. How am I wrong in asserting that you put a higher premium on your ideology above human life...especially after all that's happened. I can bet my bottom dollar if 1 million more people died over a period of time down the track ..your views would still be the same Edited by Socawho: 15/7/2016 02:09:54 PMEdited by Socawho: 15/7/2016 02:14:14 PM
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Aikhme wrote:rusty wrote:Aikhme wrote:rusty wrote:Aikhme wrote:It's stops the problem from getting worse. Eventually, the problem should die out.
Terrorist sympathisers like Anne Aly argue this wont work because it will further radicalise those already here. She reckons we should write nice letters to extremists instead and give them lenient sentences. Ane Aly is just the ALP's token Muslim in Parliament. Adds to the feel good factor. You know, that warm and fuzzy "oh look at me, I have Muslim friends type of feeling". Yes im well aware Labors obsession with winning the battle of tokenism and preferring temporary feel good policy that shines a light on their glorious morality than policy that works. No doubt they'll soon be campaigning for a quota of transvestites in parliament and on company boards. Yes, all in due time, and we will have a bunch of crossdressers in Parliament too.  Lucky we have the conservatives to keep us in check
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Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:I don't think we should stop with muslims.
Can you believe there are people in this country taking advantage of our advanced economy by taking jobs and wealth from proud Australians? Buying up investment properties, negative gearing to the hilt to reduce their tax to provides and then plan to run off back to their "home country" when they retire even though they were born here? Some of them even believe in dictatorships!
Edited by mcjules: 15/7/2016 12:55:32 PM Thanks for the strawman arguments. It's clear you are neck deep in illogical irrational thinkinking. I love that everything is strawman on 442 No room for a bit of satire here. I guess people keep forgetting this is where real solutions will be achieved. I don't find people dying funny at all.
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TheSelectFew wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:I don't think we should stop with muslims.
Can you believe there are people in this country taking advantage of our advanced economy by taking jobs and wealth from proud Australians? Buying up investment properties, negative gearing to the hilt to reduce their tax to provides and then plan to run off back to their "home country" when they retire even though they were born here? Some of them even believe in dictatorships!
Edited by mcjules: 15/7/2016 12:55:32 PM Thanks for the strawman arguments. It's clear you are neck deep in illogical irrational thinkinking. I love that everything is strawman on 442 No room for a bit of satire here. I guess people keep forgetting this is where real solutions will be achieved. I don't find people dying funny at all. I find it alarming that Mcjules made the correlation of a terrorist attack with foreigners taking up jobs:shock:
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SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:There's no point..Nothing will convince you. If you still need convincing based on the accumulation of the terror attacks in Europe then it just seems to me that you don't really factor in the safety of human life into your reasoning ... In fact I think your mind is already made up...that 100 percent immigration and open borders is the only answer None of those statements are correct... Prove me wrong ...you say you need convincing yet disengage when any mention of filtering immigration is proposed. How am I wrong in asserting that you put a higher premium on your ideology above human life...especially after all that's happened Edited by Socawho: 15/7/2016 02:06:58 PM Asking questions on the subject is disengaging? What a funny world you live in. Ideology only plays a small part in this. It's the practicalities I question.
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TheSelectFew wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:I don't think we should stop with muslims.
Can you believe there are people in this country taking advantage of our advanced economy by taking jobs and wealth from proud Australians? Buying up investment properties, negative gearing to the hilt to reduce their tax to provides and then plan to run off back to their "home country" when they retire even though they were born here? Some of them even believe in dictatorships!
Edited by mcjules: 15/7/2016 12:55:32 PM Thanks for the strawman arguments. It's clear you are neck deep in illogical irrational thinkinking. I love that everything is strawman on 442 No room for a bit of satire here. I guess people keep forgetting this is where real solutions will be achieved. I don't find people dying funny at all. Neither do I but I sure as hell find the solutions proffered by some people to be so don't get all high and mighty with me.
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Davide82 wrote:Aikhme wrote:rusty wrote:Aikhme wrote:rusty wrote:Aikhme wrote:It's stops the problem from getting worse. Eventually, the problem should die out.
Terrorist sympathisers like Anne Aly argue this wont work because it will further radicalise those already here. She reckons we should write nice letters to extremists instead and give them lenient sentences. Ane Aly is just the ALP's token Muslim in Parliament. Adds to the feel good factor. You know, that warm and fuzzy "oh look at me, I have Muslim friends type of feeling". Yes im well aware Labors obsession with winning the battle of tokenism and preferring temporary feel good policy that shines a light on their glorious morality than policy that works. No doubt they'll soon be campaigning for a quota of transvestites in parliament and on company boards. Yes, all in due time, and we will have a bunch of crossdressers in Parliament too.  Lucky we have the conservatives to keep us in check Did he do it for charity. Thing is, I might do it to to raise money, but at least we conservatives aren't perverts. I bet you had that photo on your desk top! :lol: Edited by Aikhme: 15/7/2016 02:15:34 PM
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TheSelectFew wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:I don't think we should stop with muslims.
Can you believe there are people in this country taking advantage of our advanced economy by taking jobs and wealth from proud Australians? Buying up investment properties, negative gearing to the hilt to reduce their tax to provides and then plan to run off back to their "home country" when they retire even though they were born here? Some of them even believe in dictatorships!
Edited by mcjules: 15/7/2016 12:55:32 PM Thanks for the strawman arguments. It's clear you are neck deep in illogical irrational thinkinking. I love that everything is strawman on 442 No room for a bit of satire here. I guess people keep forgetting this is where real solutions will be achieved. I don't find people dying funny at all. I don't find people persecution of people in our society funny either.
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SocaWho wrote:TheSelectFew wrote: I don't find people dying funny at all.
I find it alarming that Mcjules made the correlation of a terrorist attack with foreigners taking up jobs:shock: I just picture your head literally spinning sometimes in a vain attempt to keep up
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mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:There's no point..Nothing will convince you. If you still need convincing based on the accumulation of the terror attacks in Europe then it just seems to me that you don't really factor in the safety of human life into your reasoning ... In fact I think your mind is already made up...that 100 percent immigration and open borders is the only answer None of those statements are correct... Prove me wrong ...you say you need convincing yet disengage when any mention of filtering immigration is proposed. How am I wrong in asserting that you put a higher premium on your ideology above human life...especially after all that's happened Edited by Socawho: 15/7/2016 02:06:58 PM Asking questions on the subject is disengaging? What a funny world you live in. Ideology only plays a small part in this. It's the practicalities I question. It's ironic you mention practicality considering your position is to do nothing you have the notion to say I live in a funny world yet it is you who wants to describe to me the area I pass through without having set foot in the place Edited by Socawho: 15/7/2016 02:20:36 PM
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Having made a few jokes at other users shallowness of thought, what happened is genuinely fucking disgusting and I do think some of the more wishy washy left do close their eyes to the reality at times.
We are dealing with a primitive cultural belief system amongst a certain subset and no amount of cultural relativistic excuses will tell me that the barbarism that happens in certain regions of the world makes it ok. Trouble is, even nuking an entire region would not (bad typo to make aha) solve the problem anymore.
Making a few immigrants answer moronic questions about Don Bradman sure as hell won't either.
Edited by davide82: 15/7/2016 02:20:14 PM
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Aikhme wrote: Did he do it for charity.
Thing is, I might do it to to raise money, but at least we conservatives aren't perverts.
I bet you had that photo on your desk top! :lol:
Edited by Aikhme: 15/7/2016 02:15:34 PM
Ha ha he was dressing like in the rocky horror picture show or whatever. But claiming conservatives aren't perverts is hilarious I assume you don't know much about England's Tory party :lol:
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SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:There's no point..Nothing will convince you. If you still need convincing based on the accumulation of the terror attacks in Europe then it just seems to me that you don't really factor in the safety of human life into your reasoning ... In fact I think your mind is already made up...that 100 percent immigration and open borders is the only answer None of those statements are correct... Prove me wrong ...you say you need convincing yet disengage when any mention of filtering immigration is proposed. How am I wrong in asserting that you put a higher premium on your ideology above human life...especially after all that's happened Edited by Socawho: 15/7/2016 02:06:58 PM Asking questions on the subject is disengaging? What a funny world you live in. Ideology only plays a small part in this. It's the practicalities I question. It's ironic you mention practicality considering your position is to do nothing Are you being stupid on purpose or are you really this tremendously thick?
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mcjules wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:I don't think we should stop with muslims.
Can you believe there are people in this country taking advantage of our advanced economy by taking jobs and wealth from proud Australians? Buying up investment properties, negative gearing to the hilt to reduce their tax to provides and then plan to run off back to their "home country" when they retire even though they were born here? Some of them even believe in dictatorships!
Edited by mcjules: 15/7/2016 12:55:32 PM Thanks for the strawman arguments. It's clear you are neck deep in illogical irrational thinkinking. I love that everything is strawman on 442 No room for a bit of satire here. I guess people keep forgetting this is where real solutions will be achieved. I don't find people dying funny at all. I don't find people persecution of people in our society funny either. There is no persecution. All you are doing is having a biased immigration policy to suit our needs and requirements. Oh perish the thought hey! :lol:
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SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:There's no point..Nothing will convince you. If you still need convincing based on the accumulation of the terror attacks in Europe then it just seems to me that you don't really factor in the safety of human life into your reasoning ... In fact I think your mind is already made up...that 100 percent immigration and open borders is the only answer None of those statements are correct... Prove me wrong ...you say you need convincing yet disengage when any mention of filtering immigration is proposed. How am I wrong in asserting that you put a higher premium on your ideology above human life...especially after all that's happened Edited by Socawho: 15/7/2016 02:06:58 PM Asking questions on the subject is disengaging? What a funny world you live in. Ideology only plays a small part in this. It's the practicalities I question. It's ironic you mention practicality considering your position is to do nothing you have the notion to say I live in a funny world yet it is you who wants to describe to me the area I pass through without having set foot in the place Edited by Socawho: 15/7/2016 02:20:36 PM Socwho: mcjules and Davide are very confused. Just avoid a pointless tit for tat. We know that you are offering reasonable solutions which they can't comprehend or reconcile with their tree hugging socialist agenda of brushing things under the carpet.
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Aikhme wrote: There is no persecution. All you are doing is having a biased immigration policy to suit our needs and requirements. Oh perish the thought hey! :lol:
I gotta give you credit for your forethought I guess. At least you can guarantee us that all future acts of religious/political violence will come from future migrant families from specific countries. I feel much safer already.
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Davide82 wrote:Having made a few jokes at other users shallowness of thought, what happened is genuinely fucking disgusting and I do think some of the more wishy washy left do close their eyes to the reality at times.
We are dealing with a primitive cultural belief system amongst a certain subset and no amount of cultural relativistic excuses will tell me that the barbarism that happens in certain regions of the world makes it ok. Trouble is, even nuking an entire region would not (bad typo to make aha) solve the problem anymore.
Making a few immigrants answer moronic questions about Don Bradman sure as hell won't either.
Edited by davide82: 15/7/2016 02:20:14 PM But restricting immigration to only those Nations with similar cultures, ideals and values to our own will certainly go a long way to solving the problem as far as Australia is concerned. Brushing this under the carpet is not going to solve anything.
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Davide82 wrote:Having made a few jokes at other users shallowness of thought, what happened is genuinely fucking disgusting and I do think some of the more wishy washy left do close their eyes to the reality at times.
We are dealing with a primitive cultural belief system amongst a certain subset and no amount of cultural relativistic excuses will tell me that the barbarism that happens in certain regions of the world makes it ok. Trouble is, even nuking an entire region would solve the problem anymore.
Making a few immigrants answer moronic questions about Don Bradman sure as hell won't either. Most of my questions have been to challenge the shallowness with predictable results. I agree with all of what you're saying. Everyone is looking for excuses though be it the "left" or the "right". "Islam", "immigration", or "instability in a region" are not that far apart. Instead of labelling them as excuses which suggests the parties involved were innocent victims of circumstance which they are obviously not, there's no reason why we can't discuss it. The issue is the fact that people are very quick to dish it and aren't particularly good at debating their point of view when challenged. IMO those people that have come on here and complained about the slacktivism campaigns and Islam as a whole. Are just as bad as those on the left that do the opposite.
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Davide82 wrote:Aikhme wrote: There is no persecution. All you are doing is having a biased immigration policy to suit our needs and requirements. Oh perish the thought hey! :lol:
I gotta give you credit for your forethought I guess. At least you can guarantee us that all future acts of religious/political violence will come from future migrant families from specific countries. I feel much safer already. It's risk management isn't it. Nothing is 100%.
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Davide82 wrote:Aikhme wrote: There is no persecution. All you are doing is having a biased immigration policy to suit our needs and requirements. Oh perish the thought hey! :lol:
I gotta give you credit for your forethought I guess. At least you can guarantee us that all future acts of religious/political violence will come from future migrant families from specific countries. I feel much safer already. I can't gurantee you anything. I am not a wizard or fortune teller. Evidence however does suggest, that most terrorists are actually home grown terrorists from persons of the Islamic Faith. They are having a difficult time fitting into our society and accepting our society for what it is. It shouldn't be up to us to be bending backwards. They need to do the heavy lifting. But we can significantly reduce the problem by restricting immigrants from countries that do not share our ideals and values.
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Davide82 wrote:SocaWho wrote:TheSelectFew wrote: I don't find people dying funny at all.
I find it alarming that Mcjules made the correlation of a terrorist attack with foreigners taking up jobs:shock: I just picture your head literally spinning sometimes in a vain attempt to keep up Hence the numerous edits to his posts. Has no clue.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:There's no point..Nothing will convince you. If you still need convincing based on the accumulation of the terror attacks in Europe then it just seems to me that you don't really factor in the safety of human life into your reasoning ... In fact I think your mind is already made up...that 100 percent immigration and open borders is the only answer None of those statements are correct... Prove me wrong ...you say you need convincing yet disengage when any mention of filtering immigration is proposed. How am I wrong in asserting that you put a higher premium on your ideology above human life...especially after all that's happened Edited by Socawho: 15/7/2016 02:06:58 PM Asking questions on the subject is disengaging? What a funny world you live in. Ideology only plays a small part in this. It's the practicalities I question. It's ironic you mention practicality considering your position is to do nothing Are you being stupid on purpose or are you really this tremendously thick? Privately he'll say he's joking around. You know like that classic comic with the guy walking away saying "the jokes on them I was only pretending".
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mcjules wrote:Davide82 wrote:Having made a few jokes at other users shallowness of thought, what happened is genuinely fucking disgusting and I do think some of the more wishy washy left do close their eyes to the reality at times.
We are dealing with a primitive cultural belief system amongst a certain subset and no amount of cultural relativistic excuses will tell me that the barbarism that happens in certain regions of the world makes it ok. Trouble is, even nuking an entire region would solve the problem anymore.
Making a few immigrants answer moronic questions about Don Bradman sure as hell won't either. Most of my questions have been to challenge the shallowness with predictable results. I agree with all of what you're saying. Everyone is looking for excuses though be it the "left" or the "right". "Islam", "immigration", or "instability in a region" are not that far apart. Instead of labelling them as excuses which suggests the parties involved were innocent victims of circumstance which they are obviously not, there's no reason why we can't discuss it. The issue is the fact that people are very quick to dish it and aren't particularly good at debating their point of view when challenged. IMO those people that have come on here and complained about the slacktivism campaigns and Islam as a whole. Are just as bad as those on the left that do the opposite. It's funny...you say it's best to discuss these things at the very least ...yet you shut down anything that is even proposed.
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mcjules wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:There's no point..Nothing will convince you. If you still need convincing based on the accumulation of the terror attacks in Europe then it just seems to me that you don't really factor in the safety of human life into your reasoning ... In fact I think your mind is already made up...that 100 percent immigration and open borders is the only answer None of those statements are correct... Prove me wrong ...you say you need convincing yet disengage when any mention of filtering immigration is proposed. How am I wrong in asserting that you put a higher premium on your ideology above human life...especially after all that's happened Edited by Socawho: 15/7/2016 02:06:58 PM Asking questions on the subject is disengaging? What a funny world you live in. Ideology only plays a small part in this. It's the practicalities I question. It's ironic you mention practicality considering your position is to do nothing Are you being stupid on purpose or are you really this tremendously thick? Privately he'll say he's joking around. You know like that classic comic with the guy walking away saying "the jokes on them I was only pretending". didnt you say it was ok for a few rogue imams to be around sprouting hate...and they are harmless? Sorry , your words not mine Edited by Socawho: 15/7/2016 02:34:15 PM
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