It's a conspiracy, there's no such thing as a nice attack.

Nope. I said something along the lines of that there are at most a few rogue imams and that it's not a widespread epidemic. I never said they were harmless. I doubt this clarification will cause you to drop this fallacy though so I'm not sure why I'm giving it to you now.

My question to this is one of timing.

I believe it's been addressed a bit somewhere back a few pages but I'll continue.
Say you stop immigration of Muslims now. What about the masses that are already here? Stop immigration right now and how many kids born today from these dangerous people are there? We have to wait a bare minimum 15-20 years from now before we now if they want to blow up a cafe. And thats just if we van stope them breeding now!!

Do you think in 20-30 years the world will be exactly the same as it is today? Do you believe the threat will remain the same and in the same form?

Who were my parents scared of? It sure as hell wasn't ISIS it was a massive soviet empire with weapons that could destroy the planet. Now we are fighting a fuck knuckle in a truck.

If your answer is its just playing a % game then I personally don't think that's enough because a myriads of other factors come into play (ie. further marginalising the ones in 15 years I mentioned above).

For the record I am not a god damn tree hugging socialist hippy. I can't stand those people no matter how much I listen to Pink Floyd

Yes there is if it is done by the religion of peace!

Capital point

I never said to STOP Muslim immigration 100%. Obviously, there will always be some very talented Muslims out there who might be doing some terrific things, which will make us crazy to not take them.

I am saying we need to significantly reduce it big time. We won't have ghettos either.

Our immigration should basically meet our needs and requirements. Take the bulk from countries with similar values and ideals, and who will integrate much easier and be value adding to society as a whole.

In 20 to 30 years time, the world will be far worse than it is today. Terrorist attacks will be more frequent in Europe, and people will be scared to go into certain areas. That is what we could be potentially looking at as well right here.

There is next to no chance of addressing Radical Islam.

Edited by Aikhme: 15/7/2016 02:50:19 PM

C'mon man. You guys say you want actual conversation yet you didn't address a single thing I said you just picked up on the fact I said you meant all muslims instead of some muslims. Frankly, that only raises more questions but there are enough out there for now.

Not really sure why all this debate about immigrants in regards to this issue.

Virtually none of any of the terrorist acts have been committed by immigrants. They have just about all been 2nd generation.

The only one I am aware of was the Lindt café dude. But I think there is a strong argument to say he was just a nutjob - he is Iranian and shia (who are the main enemy and biggest targets of ISIS in Iraq and Syria). Was a self proclaimed sheikh for a while, then a mystical healer, later tried to join up with a bikie group, and only at the end decided he was actually sunni and wanted to be in ISIS.

So I would argue that there was a good chance he would have done something terrible regardless. I mean he was already being investigated for a murder at the time of the Lindt Café incident anyway.

Anyway, my point is that what everyone is rattling on about (immigration) has little to no bearing at all on addressing the issue we want to stop - terrorism.

Go back and you will see I answered your questions. In 20 to 30 years time, terrorism will be a lot more rampant. Terrorist Groups will just keep metamorphosing into other entities. The agenda and ideology remains the same.

You parents and your family could be next at the next major public gathering where some suicide bomber decides to blow themselves up or go on a shooting rampage.

Because terrorism is stemming from uncontrolled migration of populations and excessive Islamic Immigration across all of Europe.

From our point of view just do what we do. The feds are very capable.

From a euro point of view. Mass deportation. Unless youre able to patrol the borders from all angles. Which is clearly impossible.

Edited by TheSelectFew: 15/7/2016 02:55:13 PM

Immigration has a role, there should be adequate vetting of people migrating to this country. Whether there needs to be drastic changes to policies that are already in place is highly debatable.

Edited by mcjules: 15/7/2016 02:58:48 PM

She must be a token. It couldn't be possible that she is just like any other member of parliament, could it?

First there is the complaints that "muslims don't integrate".

Then when they do integrate by directly engaging with the political process, they are just "tokens".

No pleasing some people!

Of course - but that vetting happens already. I don't know why it is such a massive focus on this forum for Australia.

Immigration just isn't the issue here....

Orbecause people votedfor party policies and not who their representative was. Not to mention she doesnt wear any headress from any photos ive seen of her on the campaign trail.

Yep I know that! I'm not convinced it's the issue in Europe either but there are greater challenges there.

Hard to argue with FACTS like that. And you say you DON'T have a crystal ball?

Unlikely. Your fixation with tokenism is well documented to deflect attention from your onerous policies.

No I can't look at a crystal ball and offer you any guarantee whatsoever that Australia will avoid a terrorist attack by restricting Muslim immigration.

What I can say however, is that by restricting immigration to countries of similar ideals and values, should significantly reduce Australia's exposure and likelihood of a terrorism attack. That is just common sense.

So what is your issue? She doesn't have a right to be voted in like any other person???

Lots of muslim women do not wear head dresses.

My point is that people want it both ways - they get criticised for not integrating. When they integrate they get derided as tokens.

It's pathetic.

You do realize that the "they weren't immigrants so therefore immigration isn't the issue" argument doesn't help you at all?

It means that there is no hope of integrating - lots of third gen immigrants are actually more attached to their country of heritage then the people who went over to France.

Whatever, I've said my piece before. You reap what you sow.

Literally never seen anyone ever do this.

Question to the people saying its 2nd generation immigrants and immigrants aren't the problem. The thing is eventually they will give birth to 2nd gen immigrants. So, should we castrate them? Kill their babies? Or perhaps not let them in in the first place?

Its incredibly sad these attacks. I think most australians have their heart pound when they hear an attack has happened in Europe because we almost always have a loved one or friends over there. I know mine did.

But while these attackers are disgusting, these are only part of the affects of the islamisation of Europe has had we need to take a serious look at now, not when the Sydney Opera House is on fire, the West Gate Bridge is bombed or movie world gets gunned. Now.

The other affects which have taken place are quite obvious. The Euro, or any other sporting competition will almost certainly never be held again without maximum security. Almost every national holiday won't just be a day to celebrate, but a day to fear. Jews are leaving in droves. Gays, who fought so long to live their lives openly are going back or will start going back into the closet. Metal detectors are popping up and becoming more and more common. You can't draw what you want without getting death threats or a fatwa against your head. Women are being harassed and raped at a greater rate and are being forced to be far more careful than they otherwise would be. I imaging metal poles are going to be put up in crowded places to stop cars from ramming civilians but its all just a bandaid on the real issue.

Only a matter of time before they attack atheist rallies/meetups, NYE celebrations, liquor stores, annexing territory, firing rockets and release dirty bombs. Don't count on the Eiffel Tower always being there. You want to see it, go soon.

These aren't terrorist attacks. These are acts of war and its time we start treating them that way.

If they integrated then we wouldnt be having these discussions. What a rubbish argument you provided.

Better to live with fear for the greater good of humanity:roll:
Very comfortable to say that when the threat isnt on your doorstep
Your worldly views are based on a kumbaya approach to which you think everyone reciprocates with kindness . Noble way of thinking but to certain people they will reciprocate in a different way...you ought to get out more.
How many more lives must be lost before you are convinced that something needs to be done?
It seems you only acknowledge beligerence if it doesn't conform to your ideals

Edited by Socawho: 15/7/2016 03:39:08 PM

Literally?

All 3 of us that have made this argument have acknowledged that they have kids. Did you actually read what was posted? Think about the nature of the threats 20 years ago, the world changes quicker than that.

What's your solution apart from stemming immigration?

Obviously hadn't seen that.

Look, you can obfuscate all you want. But the vast, vast majority of media presents integration as a good thing.

You and Azza can construct all these false targets if you want, but innocents will continue to die while people like you ignore the problem.

Mate , go away to your computer and make a hashtag and everything will be ok:roll:

I have my doubts as to whether you're genuinely a vietnamese person, but let's indulge. Were you around when Cabramatta was a hotbed of violence perpetrated by young viet gangs? If so, how did you feel to be put into the same basket as them?